Curtis who?
Dear GodFree kicks great.But his overall game?He was probably the most famous footballer in the world at 1 point and I genuinely don't think he was ever truly world class. That's why I think he was vastly overrated his fame and name recognition never came close to what he could actually do on the field imo.
He does seem like a right damp squid off the park.its all about trophy's:
13 times English Champions
2 Champions League Winners
4 FA Cup
4 League Cup
1 FIFA World Club Champion
1 Intercontinental Winner
1 UEFA Super Cup
Been called worse.Dear God
But, apart from that.its all about trophy's:
13 times English Champions
2 Champions League Winners
4 FA Cup
4 League Cup
1 FIFA World Club Champion
1 Intercontinental Winner
1 UEFA Super Cup
Likes the gers actuallyWho the f is Curtis Woodhouse
Wonder how you would rate DF and his career.I can kind of see his point. Giggs was a very good player but I wouldn't label him as top drawer or world class.
Remember the hype surrounding Giggs when he was a teenager ? He didn't come close to that potential
He also performed multiple times with his brothers wife.I'm sure Giggs performed multiple times on a Tuesday away to Stoke, so he is arguably better than Messi.
Prove me wrong...
its all about trophy's:
13 times English Champions
2 Champions League Winners
4 FA Cup
4 League Cup
1 FIFA World Club Champion
1 Intercontinental Winner
1 UEFA Super Cup
Giggs is a modern day great imo. Now if he was saying Beckham was an overrated footballer that I could get in board with.
I see it the other way round.Beckham was twice the player Giggs could ever hope to be.
More people agreeing with Curtis Woodhouse than Sir Alex Ferguson says it all really.
Except it's not. Because if we go purely on trophy count then Shovkovskiy and Maxwell are two of the top 10 players of all time...
BTW I wonder how many people have actually read anything that Woodhouse said or if they just seen the headline and jumped on it.
He says Giggs undoubtedly played a huge part in Man Utd's success under Fergie, however that doesn't mean he wasn't overrated in terms of being genuinely world class.
He also said the same about Scholes and backed it up with facts. Scholes seems to have got better with every passing year that he's retired. If he was so good why did he never win Man Utd's player of the year (Heinze, Hernandez and Valencia have all won it). He was only in the PFA Team of the Year twice in his career. Never anywhere near it in the Ballon d'Or lists. This was in comparison to Gerrard and Lampard btw, who were streets ahead of him in terms of stats and individual awards.
Scholes' biggest accolades nowadays seem to be that Zidane supposedly mentioned him being one of the best in the world at some point in time.
Sir Alex Ferguson says Giggs is one of the top four Man Utd players of all time, the other three he says you can argue over but Giggs is definitely in the top four, but I suppose someone who gave up at 26 to become a boxer like Woodhouse would know better.Ryan Giggs described as 'unbelievably overrated' by ex-Premier League player
The former Welsh winger is widely regarded as one of the greatest to have ever played for the Red Devils after he helped the team win 13 Premier League titleswww.mirror.co.uk
got to say I agree with everything he says.
I have to disagree, when playing for top club its about winning Scholes and Giggs were incredibly important players in a successful team.
Paul Scholes:
11 x English Champion
2 x Champions League Winner
1 x FIFA World Club Cup
1 x Intercontinental Winner
etc
A lot of people are just clueless. An integral player in a team who dominated English football for over a decade and won 2 champions leagues and countless other medals. They could have went out and replaced him with anyone they wanted if he was just decent or average. Laughable.Sometimes I think people don't actually watch football. Some mental opinions about Giggs, he was a great player.
Scholes was suspended against Bayern.That's a different point completely though. Winning as a team is different from individual accolades which is the exact point Woodhouse was talking about.
The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown probably have more trophies than most players, but neither were ever remotely close to being world class.
I know this thread is about Giggs, but in terms of Scholes - he was so good that Ferguson started him on the bench twice in Champions League Finals.
A lot of people are just clueless. An integral player in a team who dominated English football for over a decade and won 2 champions leagues and countless other medals. They could have went out and replaced him with anyone they wanted if he was just decent or average. Laughable.
That's a different point completely though. Winning as a team is different from individual accolades which is the exact point Woodhouse was talking about.
The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown probably have more trophies than most players, but neither were ever remotely close to being world class.
I know this thread is about Giggs, but in terms of Scholes - he was so good that Ferguson started him on the bench twice in Champions League Finals.
That's a different point completely though. Winning as a team is different from individual accolades which is the exact point Woodhouse was talking about.
The likes of John O'Shea and Wes Brown probably have more trophies than most players, but neither were ever remotely close to being world class.
I know this thread is about Giggs, but in terms of Scholes - he was so good that Ferguson started him on the bench twice in Champions League Finals.
I think it’s pretty well recognised that Giggs was not the POTY that year. Didn’t he only make something like 12 league appearances including sub appearances.Using modern stats against him is just stupid. The role of a left winger and any of the midfield 4 in a classic 4-4-2 is completely different to that in a modern 4-2-3-1. Goals and assists are shared across the four and your front two does the rest. The fact they won every year should tell you that.
Davie Cooper averaged about 6 goals a season. That's less than the 8 Ryan Kent was criticised for last season. It would be daft to use Kent to belittle Cooper.
By the time Giggs got to that modern football, he'd rebuilt his game to be player of the year in a side which contained Ronaldo (Ballon d'Or holder), Rooney and Tevez.
I personally agree with him about Giggs.
Look at those stats. We have full backs with better stats than those. He played in a great team which dominated. Yes he won lots of trophies but he is often remembered for his goal against Arsenal.
David May won 7 trophies.
Darren Fletcher (who I do rate) won 13 trophies.
John O'Shea won 14 trophies
Owen Hargreaves won 12 trophies in his career.
Wes Brown won 13 trophies
His goal against Arsenal in the semi final is up there with the most overrated goals there's been.
The defending is embarrassing. Not one challenge put in, they back off and back off.
Someone who is always nailing his colours to our mast on Twitter. Played 300times for Sheffield Uts and also British Boxing Title holderWho the f is Curtis Woodhouse
Someone who is always nailing his colours to our mast on Twitter. Played 300times for Sheffield Uts and also British Boxing Title holder
Was an excellent goal and huge moment, you have to know the context of the game, that moment, extra time, down to ten against a very good arsenal side in the semi final replay, who were the defending champions and cup holders and had missed a pen in injury time of the 90, it's fair to say both success would be feeling leggy late in extra time of a long season competing on all fronts, his directness and feints contributed to the arsenal defending, and that arsenal side could defend better than most Prem sides you see now
Don't show yourself to be clueless or ignorant.
I thought Seaman was at fault too. He was leaning back and going down before Giggs had struck the ball.Giggs didn't start the game. He'd of been fresher than most on the pitch.
The defending is horrific. You can try paint it how you like, but it was.