The boy went down like a British heavyweight but timed it perfectly almost Oscar level performance. If Big Dunc had wanted to head but him and had lost his temper as was portrayed then McStay would have been on a slab that night getting his jaw wired back up. But he never and instead everyone spoke about a scratch to his lip and there was contact..Disgrace of a night and events and I for one will never support Scotland either after this event.
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Definitely butted him and drew blood, red card all day.
Partickger
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Correct, I was in the club deck but it happened right in front of me. Was total play acting after he gestured his head towards him.
Similar to the incident that saw Lafferty get a ban for play acting.
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The cvnt could have spoken up for Dunc, surely?
Didn't Raith release him soon after?
Mr Mojo risin'
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i still say he didnt touch him
that was the day i said fvck the sfa
that was the day i said fvck the sfa
Davidsmith1
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Absolute lies.
Davidsmith1
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Why try and recreate history ? He never headbuttedhim which even McStay has admitted.
Honestly no idea what could have been done but Mcstay should have been out in the witness box and asked questions
I saw it mate from the West enclosure.
Davidsmith1
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You didn't. McStay himself said it never happened. There was no blood apart from as another poster said a cut lip yet YOU saw it ? Very good mate
Clicker
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That’s how I saw it from the Main Stand that day, McStay made a meal of it.
Davidsmith1
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Eddie Doc
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Doesn't matter what you think you saw. If he nutted him with that force he'd have caved his face in.
servicepoint
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That’s news to me, happened in front of me and it never landed, no blood anywhere as I’m sure pictures show.
Clicker
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That must be Danny Lennon’s username.
hawkfalcons
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Exactly. He was jailed for a probation breach, not for the actual headbutt. Probably harsh in the sense that people dont generally get prosecuted legally for stuff that happens in professional football but ultimately he paid the price for a number of mistakes there. As somebody pointed out it might have been a good thing for him in the long term.
Tougherthanbullets
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That was my view at the time and I think McStay somehow managed to play act it to perfection. If DF had made contact in the manner suggested, no way in the world was McStay getting back to his feet, let alone continue a game of football. He'd have required stretchering off and straight to the hospital for stitches.
If big Dunc connected Mcstay would have been on the ground for a fortnight
Taki
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"Probably harsh" "he was jailed for a probation breach" "good for him in the long term"
You sound like an excellent candidate for the Rangers board.
Dave Angell
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I can mind McStay in the papers, about a day or two after the incident. A total stitch up job with his picture on the back page & jutting out his bottom lip as if to emphasize that Ferguson had burst his mouth open.
chosen few
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The SFA have previous for handing out punishments to Rangers players which are vindictive and severe,ie Willie Woodbury,Colin Stein ,Terry butcher ans Chris woods, Duncan Ferguson and Graeme Souness,I am sure there are other examples of players being treated differently by the ruling body because of the team they played for .
flootbon
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If I remember correctly McStay refused to give evidene before the authorities. I believe Raith Rovers were kicked out the league albeit for one day, until McStay appeared.
They may have been kicked out for another reason, but I think they got the boot, for not co-operating.
Anyone remember ?
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SDF
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Mr John McStay, 29, who at the time was playing for Raith Rovers, was
warned from the bench and by the prosecutor on the dangers of
prevarication and perjury and reminded he had taken an oath.
Mr Ferguson, who now plays for Everton, denies assaulting Mr McStay
during a match at Ibrox in Glasgow on April 16 last year.
Mr McStay told how he and Mr Ferguson had tussled and pulled at each
other as they both went for the same ball about 35 minutes into the
game. The referee's whistle had blown for a foul and, as Mr McStay
turned around, his head clashed with the Ranger's player's, cutting his
upper lip.
When asked by depute fiscal Mr Alasdair Youngson whether he thought
the clash of heads was an accident at the time, Mr McStay replied:
''No.'' he then added: ''We were going to square up to each other and we
just clashed.''
It was at this point that Mr McStay received the first of a number of
warnings. Sheriff Alexander Eccles reminded him that he had taken an
oath. The Sheriff added: ''Do you know what prevarication is? Avoiding
an answer in court. It is a contempt of court and is a serious offence.
Bear that in mind.''
Mr McStay was again warned by Sheriff Eccles, this time on the
consequences of perjury, just before the fiscal Mr Youngson read out a
statement Mr McStay was said to have made to a senior police officer in
May last year.
The statement said: ''The game was fairly uneventful until midway
through the first half. At this time I got involved in a tussle for the
ball with Duncan Ferguson of Rangers. There was a pull on me by Duncan
Ferguson and then a bit of arm wrestling and tussling.
''I heard the referee blow the whistle and realised he had decided to
stop the game. A small gap emerged between Duncan Ferguson and me. I
knew the referee had given a free kick to Raith Rovers.
''Before I could do anything further Duncan Ferguson, who by this time
was in front of me, suddenly lunged at me and head-butted me on the
mouth.
''He never said anything as he butted me. I fell to the ground
clutching my head. The blow was a fair old blow and I felt severe pain
in my lip.
''As I lay on the ground I felt my mouth and saw it was bleeding. I
was completely shocked by what Duncan Ferguson did.''
McStay agreed with Mr Youngson that the statement was true. Mr
Youngson then asked him: ''Were you describing to that police officer an
accident or a deliberate action? How would you define it?'' Said Mr
McStay: ''I have already said, a clash.''
McStay was asked why, if it was accidental, he had said to the police
he was completely shocked by what Ferguson did. He replied: ''Because of
what happened.'' Mr Youngson then asked: ''What is your evidence
today?'' To which Mr Mr McStay replied: ''We clashed on the field.''
Mr McStay was then shown TV video film of the incident and asked to
describe it. He said: ''A game of football, a tussle for the ball and a
clash of heads.''
Mr Youngson asked him if he now thought it was accidental and was
told: 'I don't know if it was accidental. It's hard to say. Contact was
made.''
Cross-examined by Mr Ferguson's defence counsel, Mr John Baird, Mr
McStay agreed that a newspaper photograph looked as if the Ibrox striker
was actually pushing him away. He also agreed that sometimes players
deliberately took a dive or feigned an incident to get another player
into trouble.
Referring to an earlier statement Mr McStay had made to the Sheriff,
Mr Baird said: ''The suggestion is that some people might be going
around saying that there was no contact and you throw yourself onto the
ground.''All you were saying is that you will not have anyone going around
saying there wasn't contact between you. If you went down to the ground
it was as a result of contact that was made.''
Mr Baird then asked: ''In the whole circumstances of the constantly
changing movement between the two players, the actual incident of
contact between your head and Ferguson's head might have been
accidental?'' Mr McStay replied: ''Possible.''
The treatment of Duncan was outrageous, he was victimised and made an example of by the PF services (remember those guys, the ones who lost all evidence of The Bheasts hanging effigies of Protestants from their stands even tho it's all over You Tube), the Police, the SFA and the SMSM.
The real beginning of the end for any relationship between Rangers and all of the above.
If Duncan had played for any other team he would not have been sent to jail - and everyone knows it.
The real beginning of the end for any relationship between Rangers and all of the above.
If Duncan had played for any other team he would not have been sent to jail - and everyone knows it.
Ger57
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IIRC he did. Was in the papers saying he over reacted and there was nothing in it.
Just seen SDF's post, looks like I remembered wrong :/
truebluesince82
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Fast forward to today and Declan Gallagher spends a year in jail for assault then plays for Scotland and not a word said. Shocking
Ayrforce1
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Viv Lumsden.. I prefer men.
