Did Daniel Levy get the call right at Spurs?

Southside_shug

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Poch away yes - only amazed he lasted so long this season with so many poor poor results.

Jose....no. A legend in the game until his ill fated move to Manure. Appears to be a yesterday man now.
 

Warren Hill

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Under Poch Spurs spent too much time at Wembley, that couldn't have helped. Other teams spending millions and Poch took Spurs to the ultimate - the CL final without such a war chest.
IMO Spurs punched above their weight in the last few years without actually winning anything and reaching that final must have been mind blowing for any Spurs supporter.
Jose is yesterdays man and Poch i believe will go onto greater things with a higher club.
Long term i think Spurs will be the losers.
 

Tony75tfc

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Spurs have been pish this season , yes they are known over the years to play nice football but they have won f*** all for years ,mourinho is a winner hes won things at every club hes been at ,what do the spurs fans want ? Nice football and finish in the top 4 every year or actually winning trophies
 

wee bud's pit boots

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He will most likely wish to have support to add the additions he needs to compete with teams like Liverpool and City I would assume yes..

It sort of comes with the territory of managing a big club, it isn't Mourinho exclusive....
You're correct it isn't exclusive to JM, but he does like the limelight.

The one thing he did at OT was catapult that club into the select band of clubs who have won three different European tournaments.

Just on a personal level, I happen to think his best days are behind him. If I were a Spurs fan, I don't think I'd be ecstatic right now. But what do I know?

The ironic thing is, a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to a 'gooner' in work, and obviously things ain't working too well there either and there had been talk of JM as the next manager at the Emirates. - He was definitely against that one.
 

Sebo23

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It's certainly an intriguing appointment. As others have said, Mourinho tends to do his best work when his team have the most resources within that league.

I highly doubt that will be the case this time. He's competing against Klopp & Pep still, and those guys teams are way ahead.

Is he good enough to get Spurs top 4 over the next year or 2, yep. Perhaps even win a domestic cup or Europa League next season. Is that enough for him though? For a man that reminds everyone that he wants his team to be the best, I'm not so sure. And the last thing your club wants is a frustrated Jose.
 

a_weir

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I've highlighted how.
Well done you but you've misread my post...

I’ll highlight a whole sentence below for you

Don't know how you can't sack your manager when last season you were in the CL final and this season 14th in the league.

Mourinho has proven himself to be a good manager and will succeed but ONLY if he gets money.
Note the 'can't'. I am saying that I do not know how you could justify keeping the manager when they're 14th.
 

Route 55

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The special ones tactics of yesteryear will not be good enough to win anything, so the question is has Jose evolved as a manager and tactician? Surely he cannot play the same negative turgid pish he rolled out at Old Trafford.
He for me, is a has been! Hope he proves me wrong as i love an underdog story.
 

Oduwa

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Well done you but you've misread my post...

I’ll highlight a whole sentence below for you



Note the 'can't'. I am saying that I do not know how you could justify keeping the manager when they're 14th.
Humblest apologies!
 

BrooklynBlue

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At some point, Tottenham will have to realise that Levy is the issue, rather than changing managers. Poch should have been supported more and assisted in a new rebuilding process.
 

HandsomeHead

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You're correct it isn't exclusive to JM, but he does like the limelight.

The one thing he did at OT was catapult that club into the select band of clubs who have won three different European tournaments.

Just on a personal level, I happen to think his best days are behind him. If I were a Spurs fan, I don't think I'd be ecstatic right now. But what do I know?

The ironic thing is, a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to a 'gooner' in work, and obviously things ain't working too well there either and there had been talk of JM as the next manager at the Emirates. - He was definitely against that one.
All the Spurs fans I know aren't at all enthusiastic. They think he'll be gone within a couple of years.
 

iaatpies

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Far too easy in football for players to get a manager sacked. Players can down tools to force change. A club isn't likely to get rid of a number of unhappy players when they can get rid of a manager far more easily.

Things weren't going well for Spurs but was that solely down to the manager? Their squad isn't balanced and their summer transfer business was poor. Part of that is undoubtedly down to the board. To go from champions league finalists to 14th in the EPL in the space of a few months suggests some serious underlying issues.

I'd like to see a club to stand by a manager in those circumstances. He should have got the rest of the season and the club should have tried to address some of the issues in the January window. Another factor may be the insistence of the EPL to close their window so early. Spurs ended up left with players who might otherwise have moved on and given Poch more scope to deal in the transfer market.
 

Ted Rangers

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All the Spurs fans I know aren't at all enthusiastic. They think he'll be gone within a couple of years.
He probably will be gone in a couple of years. He'll probably immediately raise the standards of performance, get results, win a trophy, fall out with everyone, then leave. The job will be done by then though.
 

HandsomeHead

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He probably will be gone in a couple of years. He'll probably immediately raise the standards of performance, get results, win a trophy, fall out with everyone, then leave. The job will be done by then though.
He might win a cup, maybe even the FA Cup, but I highly doubt he'll win the league and I'd be somewhat amazed if he managed to steer Spurs to another CL final so it actually feels like it'll be more of a sideways gamble, and probably another costly one too given they've supposedly offered him a five year deal.
 

stonewall Jackson

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Jose hasnt been a success for a while. He needs to be a success or his reputation will be completely tarnished.

I think they have made a huge mistake here and should have backed Poch. They will now have to back Jose with a stack load of cash however I can see him causing more issues then being paid off next season.
Ive been following this in the English press for a while and apparently Pochettino has been working for this end result. I think he realised he had taken the club as far as he could with this squad of players or maybe just fancied a move. Either way he leaves as a man who won nothing for Spurs and in his place they get a World class manager with a winning mentality. I think it's a smart move from Levy.
 

subversive_bear

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It's going to be highly entertaining for the neutral observer. Mourinho will turn Spurs into even more of a circus than it has been already and it will become even better if/when Pochettino rocks-up at Man United and Jose starts-in with the verbal jibes.
 

Hubert74

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The guy got them to their highest league finish since 1990, he got them to a CL final. There's the right call and then there's this decision. Foolishness is how I would describe it.
 

Gordon1951

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Mourinho has got to be one of the most over rated managers in world football. His boring parl the bus football is redundant as other mangers have twigged on and know how to defeat his system. He is a cheque book manager that wastes so much money.

Spurs should have stuck with Poch and given him more financial backing. He plays a better style of football than Bourinho.
 

baystatebear

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It will always remain the great unanswered question - with respect to Poch - if at the start of last season Levy had opened his wallet up a bit and allowed his manager to bring in two - possibly 3 - genuinely top class players to add to what was already a very talented Spurs side, would it have made the difference and enabled Spurs to compete on an equal footing with Man City and Liverpool? I think it would have.
 

RFC4ME

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Mourinho has got to be one of the most over rated managers in world football.

His CV doesn't really validate that claim, he actually had built a CV that backs up claims about him being a top class manager.

It isn't all based on reputation or posts on forums - there is a shit load of tangible and actual things as well.
 

venturablue

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Jose does not take jobs without a promise of immediately being able to spend.

Fact
 
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womble3

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Spurs have been pish this season , yes they are known over the years to play nice football but they have won f*** all for years ,mourinho is a winner hes won things at every club hes been at ,what do the spurs fans want ? Nice football and finish in the top 4 every year or actually winning trophies

Jose was a winner is day is over
Can see olle shown the door at Utd and porch get it
 

BlueSeaOfIbrox

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In a way yeah, i don't think Poch would have took that squad any further than he did. He's a fantastic manager but i think he hit his limits with the squad he had.

Mourinho is a better manager and will take them to new heights and it's almost a certain that they win something of note before it crashes and burns down and he gets sacked aswell.

Mourinho will do exceptionally well at spurs, he is still one of the best managers about and Man U didn't change that - They'd probably love Mourinho back to get a second place finish again.
 

BlueSeaOfIbrox

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Spurs have been pish this season , yes they are known over the years to play nice football but they have won f*** all for years ,mourinho is a winner hes won things at every club hes been at ,what do the spurs fans want ? Nice football and finish in the top 4 every year or actually winning trophies
Tbf, jose's teams can play good football, but there's no inbetween really. They either play exceptional attacking football or horrendous park the bus.

He does what he thinks is the best way to get results and say what you want about his style, he gets results and wins things.

Personally I think Spurs will play good attacking football under him, they have the players to do that and onese that fit Mourinho's aggressive play.
 

gersandproud

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I think this idea that MP had taken the squad as far as it could go doesn't explain spurs recent piss poor performances - personally

I mean have a look at what teams ran them ragged - teams that had inferior players but had more fight & it happened consistently

That suggests to me something beyond - 'this is as far as I can take this squad' must be responsible
 

Ronniemca

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Don't think the modern day footballers enjoy playing the style of football that Mourinho insists on .Superstars want to express themselves not be tied up in a tactical battle and hauled off the field and replaced by a plodder to hang onto a one goal lead with30mins to go against the likes of Crystal Palace,so as the "special one" can look clever.This was part of the trouble at Madrid and Manchester ,clubs who's supporters insist on entertaining football.Spurs have always had that same philosophy so this is going to be interesting indeed
 

BlueSeaOfIbrox

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I think this idea that MP had taken the squad as far as it could go doesn't explain spurs recent piss poor performances - personally

I mean have a look at what teams ran them ragged - teams that had inferior players but had more fight & it happened consistently

That suggests to me something beyond - 'this is as far as I can take this squad' must be responsible
Definitely not and there's clearly issues in the dressing room (likely relating to the shagging going on) effecting on the park performances

However Mourinho will sort those issues out and if they don't comply he won't be scared to drop them.
 

Mr_Miscellaneous

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The Champions League run really papered over the cracks.

In the League since the turn of the year, they have had 11 wins, 7 draws and 12 losses.

40 points in 30 games. 1.3 points per game.

That's 'barely above relegation' form.

In his half-decade in charge, he has reached one League Cup final, one Champions League final and finished second in the league on one occasion.

Not good enough, quite frankly.
 

Gordon1951

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His CV doesn't really validate that claim, he actually had built a CV that backs up claims about him being a top class manager.

It isn't all based on reputation or posts on forums - there is a shit load of tangible and actual things as well.
I don't care about his CV, he is a bus driver who plays pish football, who wants to go to watch a game only to be bored out his mind. The signings he made at Man Utd were overpriced and garbage, only an in form David De Gea saved his management there from being catastrophic although his performance was abismal.

Poch wasn't given the proper finanical backing from his board, they were saving their money to pay off the new stadium. The other summer it was so bad they didn't sign any players whatsover, that is a big problem.

Mourinho should stop torturing the fans of the teams he manages and give up being a manager and stick to being a pundit.
 

HenningBerg

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The Champions League run really papered over the cracks.

In the League since the turn of the year, they have had 11 wins, 7 draws and 12 losses.

40 points in 30 games. 1.3 points per game.

That's 'barely above relegation' form.

In his half-decade in charge, he has reached one League Cup final, one Champions League final and finished second in the league on one occasion.

Not good enough, quite frankly.
I like poch but it’s clear it has come to an end for both parties and has been for weeks . His £12 million payoff and prospect of a big club in January will keep him busy .

As for Spurs yes it’s a gamble but isn’t every huge managerial appointment? Perhaps mourinho is what they need to add a bit of steel and winners mentality.

I just saw his first interview there as manager and he seems right up for it - with his record write him off at your pearl .
 

sheddensbear

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Read an interesting story. Ericsson, Alderweireld and Vertongham all were refusing to sign new contracts and will leave in summer 2020. Pochettino wanted to sell them but Levy has no problem letting run down their contracts.
I think Pochettino realised he had no real power, it was all in the hands of Levy and his assistant. Jose will cause outrage within months and get a huge payoff (again). Only Jose is always in the right.
 

gersfanal

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Levy was so involved, especially financially, in the new stadium and, despite the achievement of CL Final, he had taken his eye off the ball from a playing point of view.

For me Pochettino (MP) was a particularly good manager who was sadly stifled by lack of funds for player acquisitions and it sticks in my craw that JM is brought in to the situation when, now the stadium is complete, will enjoy backing that MP never did during his time, and will probably enjoy success despite the fact that he has been 'forgettable' since his first Chelsea stint. Yesterday's man IMO !
 
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