Did Steve Clarke unwittingly back Rangers up.....

[Coza]

His comments about MacLean and how he seems to have never been a great ref when it comes to killie games. Specificaly mentioning that perhaps it’s related to Maclean trying to prove he isn’t pro killie after his dad played there for a number of years.....

Well it’s the same argument you see in here countless times. His wee brother is in our youth set up and he bends over backwards to prove he isn’t pro rangers so much so it manifests itself as anti rangers.

I found it interesting the bbc said today on radio “you can’t go there” and suggested he had crossed a line. Is that the case if there is similar circumstances and another member club feels the same? Surely to bring the standard of officiating up we and killie should be free to voice these concerns/observations?

 

[Professor Yaffle]

He's an abysmal ref

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Suggested as much in yesterday's thread. Pissing in the wind.

Most people are convinced that poor refereeing affects us and us only.

 

[Blackpool Dave]

Get used to it Clark we get shafted all the time by them

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Get used to it Clark we get shafted all the time by them

So we've just to get used to it too, then?

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

Suggested as much in yesterday's thread. Pissing in the wind.

Most people are convinced that poor refereeing affects us and us only.

Not really, most people understand that refs make mistakes, but a lot of posters and bears know no club suffers the way we do.

These guys are cheating bastards.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Not really, most people understand that refs make mistakes, but a lot of posters and bears know no club suffers the way we do.

These guys are cheating bastards.

So what's your position on referees, then? That they're incompetent when they ref other games but cheat in ours?

 

[Stanley Yelnats]

Who’s his wee brother?

 

[Blackpool Dave]

So we've just to get used to it too, then?

No but another manager from another team complaining about the standard of refereeing does our complaints no harm

 

[ClockworkOrange]

No but another manager from another team complaining about the standard of refereeing does our complaints no harm

Absolutely - I think the more dissenting voices against the quality of refereeing is only a good thing.

 

[Barrymoped]

So we've just to get used to it too, then?

It’s horrendous but every team gets shafted by these incompetent halfwits. It’s the poorest standard of refereeing I can ever remember

 

[TheLoyalDug]

Who's his Dad?

 

[Family bam]

Who’s his wee brother?

Brian.

 

[Coza]

Who’s his wee brother?

MacLean junior.

Might be he is ex rangers youth but i am sure he was on our books at one and might still be.

Suggested as much in yesterday's thread. Pissing in the wind.

Most people are convinced that poor refereeing affects us and us only.

You know what Celtic would do? Lennon would be in touch with Clarke and a board member would be in touch with their board. They would say “hey we have similar issues with Maclean and we have often wondered if his brother being linked with our club influences his decision making. We should contact the sfa as a joint party with a view to expressing we just want to improve the standards across the piece and help Steven improve”.

Shots fired across Macleans bow and I would bet his decision making would become More neutral generally.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

So what's your position on referees, then? That they're incompetent when they ref other games but cheat in ours?

I think all the stuff you see on here about refs being crap is daft.

Yes they make mistakes ofcourse that happens, the best ref in the world makes errors.

But my position as you put it as that we have without a doubt the most corrupt, dishonest, and totally biased referees anywhere.

Do the tims have problems, do they feck.

These guys are absolutely as fkin disgrace.

 

[Buster]

Don't worry next season Stevie when your manager at the girodome you won't have a problem with the refs

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

It’s horrendous but every team gets shafted by these incompetent halfwits. It’s the poorest standard of refereeing I can ever remember

Give us some examples of Celtics problems with them

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I think all the stuff you see on here about refs being crap is daft.

Yes they make mistakes ofcourse that happens, the best ref in the world makes errors.

But my position as you put it as that we have without a doubt the most corrupt, dishonest, and totally biased referees anywhere.

Do the tims have problems, do they feck.

These guys are absolutely as fkin disgrace.

Is that for everyone or just us?

Beaton, for example - where does he fall?

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

Is that for everyone or just us?

Beaton, for example - where does he fall?

Well i think he went out to corrupt the Hibs game i think we all seen that for ourselves it was a shameful performance. Press put him under pressure and he was scared of Lennon. Not right what he done that day shameful.

But overall hes a good ref and quite honest most of the time. Dont underestimate the power of the press.

You do think the press is biased right you aint that para you believe the bhoys in the media are doing the job honestly

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Well i think he went out to corrupt the Hibs game i think we all seen that for ourselves it was a shameful performance. Press put him under pressure and he was scared of Lennon. Not right what he done that day shameful.

But overall hes a good ref and quite honest most of the time. Dont underestimate the power of the press.

You do think the press is biased right you aint that para you believe the bhoys in the media are doing the job honestly

So just to get this straight:

He deliberately went out to ruin the Hibs game for us because he was scared of Lennon, but that fear of Lennon had seemingly dissipated by the time Lennon attacked him in the press for failing to protect his players a few months later? I'd have thought he'd still have been scared of him?

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I have no probs answering any of your posts mate but you are full of crap.

I've not actually made clear my stance at all in this thread. All I've done is seek your opinion.

 

[Oduwa]

Not really, most people understand that refs make mistakes, but a lot of posters and bears know no club suffers the way we do.

These guys are cheating bastards.

Cheats against us and incompetent against others?

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

So just to get this straight:

He deliberately went out to ruin the Hibs game for us because he was scared of Lennon, but that fear of Lennon had seemingly dissipated by the time Lennon attacked him in the press for failing to protect his players a few months later? I'd have thought he'd still have been scared of him?

I think he shat himself from Lennon and the media and gave them everything.

But i do think overall hes a good ref and gives Rangers decisions most of the time.

Im not quite sure what you are on about, a few months later, was it a Celtic game is that your point did he miss a decision in a Celtic game.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

I think he shat himself from Lennon and the media and gave them everything.

But i do think overall hes a good ref and gives Rangers decisions most of the time.

Im not quite sure what you are on about, a few months later, was it a Celtic game is that your point did he miss a decision in a Celtic game.

So you're saying that he had a nightmare in the Hibs games but has in other games reffed us quite fairly.

Sounds like he's, inconsistent, maybe? Especially when you throw in, for example, that dive he gave in the Hamilton game last week?

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

So you're saying that he had a nightmare in the Hibs games but has in other games reffed us quite fairly.

Sounds like he's, inconsistent, maybe? Especially when you throw in, for example, that dive he gave in the Hamilton game last week?

No if you read what i posted, i think he went out to corrupt the Hibs game and while its not right thats what happens sometimes. Refs shit it.

Not ok, not right, shameful but thats the pressure refs are under.

Maybe shouldnt have called the other poster a mongo, was unfair, should have said it too you.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

No if you read what i posted, i think he went out to corrupt the Hibs game and while its not right thats what happens sometimes. Refs shit it.

Not ok, not right, shameful but thats the pressure refs are under.

Maybe shouldnt have called the other poster a mongo, was unfair, should have said it too you.

Interesting use of the word "corrupt" as a verb to describe his refereeing that day. You mean cheating, though, don't you?

 

[Amato Turn]

It’s horrendous but every team gets shafted by these incompetent halfwits. It’s the poorest standard of refereeing I can ever remember

Celtic don't seem to.

Quite the opposite infact.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

yes cheating.

he did cheat.

any other questions

 

[Oduwa]

Thats a new line

You seem angrier than normal, Mrs leave you for a referee?

 

[ClockworkOrange]

yes cheating.

he did cheat.

any other questions

I think I've made my point, thanks.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

You seem angrier than normal, Mrs leave you for a referee?

Look mate i dont have a mrs im always angry.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

I think I've made my point, thanks.

Your points are crap you have made a fool of yourself.

It cannae be cheating cos the Killie manager hates em.

I mean come on tae feck thats absurd.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Your points are crap you have made a fool of yourself.

It cannae be cheating cos the Killie manager hates em.

I mean come on tae feck thats absurd.

Got about ten grand in my bank account. All yours if you can point towards where I've said that in this thread.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

Got about ten grand in my bank account. All yours if you can point towards where I've said that in this thread.

You keep your money in the bank account.

Spend it on taking a referee for a meal.

Show him you are a proper tory boy dignified and respectful Rangers fan.

I think you said it on the other thread but really i couldnt care less.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

You keep your money in the bank account.

Spend it on taking a referee for a meal.

Show him you are a proper tory boy dignified and respectful Rangers fan.

I think you said it on the other thread but really i couldnt care less.

Okay, so you can't point that out at all. You've just assumed what I believe.

And I'm the mongo.

LOLZ.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

2 mongos..

 

[ClockworkOrange]

2 mongos..

Just to leave you in doubt, I fully believe that Rangers are reffed differently from other teams and that Celtic are experts at putting pressure on the media and officials, but you were too busy calling me a mongo to even ask.

 

[Thornliebank_Bear]

Just to leave you in doubt, I fully believe that Rangers are reffed differently from other teams and that Celtic are experts at putting pressure on the media and officials, but you were too busy calling me a mongo to even ask.

ok mate fair enough sorry about that maybe out of order, you accept im correct and ofcourse i am.

 

[ClockworkOrange]

ok mate fair enough sorry about that maybe out of order, you accept im correct and ofcourse i am.

I never said you were correct, no; I was pulling you up for your assumptions that you just seem totally incapable of acknowledging.

 

[top_cat]

Don't worry next season Stevie when your manager at the girodome you won't have a problem with the refs

Pretty much my thoughts also, that's his next gig imo.

 

[Big D]

He's an abysmal ref

This. Plain and simple.

 

[bigkilty]

So will stevie the alky be pulled up in front of the sfa the way Gerrard was


WATP

 

[Tamson]

The number of refereeing decisions that have benefited the sheep this season is unbelievable. Every time they have played us there has been a major decision in their favour.

Cosgrove, Shinnie and McKenna are constantly booked yet seem to escape second yellows.

 

[ChiefWahoo]

So what's your position on referees, then? That they're incompetent when they ref other games but cheat in ours?

Not to start an argument, I think you've probably had enough for this thread but I can't fathom how we can accept that the SFA/SPFL is run by the filth for the sole benefit of the filth yet we're asked to believe their paid employees can't be of that same position.

FWIW, I don't think referees take to the pitch with the intention of fùcking us over, I do believe that any incident they are unsure of will inevitably see them take the easy way out.
That is of course with the exception of Thompson who is a cheat.

 

[Moxy1690]

Are bigger budget is needed to bring in better refs. We should be insisting on a top referee from England be brought in to oversee what's going on and hold them accountable for any mistakes.

 

[Barrymoped]

The number of refereeing decisions that have benefited the sheep this season is unbelievable. Every time they have played us there has been a major decision in their favour.

Cosgrove, Shinnie and McKenna are constantly booked yet seem to escape second yellows.

Not just against us either, my Hearts supporting mate says the same thing, as does my Killie supporting mate, as was evident yesterday!

How Shinnie has never been red carded is beyond me.

 

[Talktalk]

He's an abysmal ref

He isn’t that good

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Not to start an argument, I think you've probably had enough for this thread but I can't fathom how we can accept that the SFA/SPFL is run by the filth for the sole benefit of the filth yet we're asked to believe their paid employees can't be of that same position.

FWIW, I don't think referees take to the pitch with the intention of fùcking us over, I do believe that any incident they are unsure of will inevitably see them take the easy way out.
That is of course with the exception of Thompson who is a cheat.

Not sure what you mean by me having enough of this thread, and I'm inclined to believe with much of what you've suggested, but as soon as you suggest that refs will take the "easy way out" with incidents involving us you're implying - as bilkobear was last night in another thread - that "controversial" incidents invariably go the way of the other team. That might be right, but there have been dozens, maybe even hundreds, of "minor", less debatable decisions that have gone against us this year, and that's not been cheating, or inherent bias, or a Timmy conspiracy to do us out of winning: it's the same incompetent decisions that have blight Scottish football in every fcking game.

 

[Papasmurf]

He's an abysmal ref

They all are. Pay peanuts, get monkeys.

Time they went pro. If that means a few years of foreign refs until we get some decent ones up to speed, so be it.

There can’t be many industries that don’t look beyond their shores if local talent is so lacking.

 

[Macky]

Just watched the highlights, as much as I hate him now, I think Broadfoots red was harsh. The McKenzie one was never a red, I don't even think Mclean seen it.