Did we make a mistake with Declan John

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  1. KGR98

    KGR98 Well-Known Member

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    I always liked him when he was here and gave us a good balance and was a great attacking option at left back i think we could do with him now
     
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    Decent player for sure but I think we have better
     
  3. SDF

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    He's played 160 minutes all season because of injury,

    So no.
     
  4. LOL 133

    LOL 133 Well-Known Member

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    In a word, yes.
     
  5. Delbert

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    Ffs one poor result, panic & madness breaks out all over FF.

    He was out his depth in a team that finished 3rd, so he’d still be out his depth in a team going for the league title.
     
  6. cloodie

    cloodie Well-Known Member

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    He was decent going forward but a terrible defender, which is unsurprising as it wasn't his natural position. His defensive stats were very bad in terms of winning challenges, headers and stopping crosses.
     
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    mayfairblue Well-Known Member

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    No he would have played very little thiis season.
     
  8. 54ncounting

    54ncounting Active Member

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    Not really, I am more aggravated by the LW situation rather DJ, who did really well.
     
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    RutherglenGer72 Well-Known Member

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    Id say yes, definitely better choice than Flanagan as back up to Barisic
     
  10. squaddie-bear

    squaddie-bear Well-Known Member

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    Was there not a factor of Declan John wanting to move back home for family reasons as well though?
     
  11. Vote For Pedro

    Vote For Pedro Well-Known Member

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    No. Our current left back is recovering for injury. The other won’t be played so we’re currently playing a right back and left footed midfielder there as makeshift left backs. When Barasic is fit and gets a run I expect the position to be sorted.
     
  12. Leith Ger

    Leith Ger Active Member

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    No, we got decent money for him and he wasn’t a great defender.
     
  13. Belfast_Linfield

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    Definately not. Flanagan definately isn't the answer either.
     
  14. Haining84

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    Nope.

    He is nowhere near good enough.
     
  15. RFC4ME

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    Why is Flanagan getting worse, he looks like an old man when he walks on a football park, so leggy - he doesn't even fall into the category of good engine etc and nor is he even defending remotely well, he really is giving us nothing

    And no, not "knee jerk" it is a steadily building trend of dreadful performances and early removal from the park.

    As an aside if it was simply Flanagn or John the player - I would take John over Flanagan every day of the week based purely on shape it offers a team.
     
  16. Belfast_Linfield

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    Flanagan feels like one of these proper old fashioned full backs that never pushes forward, happy to sit back. No energy.
     
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  17. Kaiserweiss

    Kaiserweiss Well-Known Member

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    Nah not good enough
     
  18. TimzRFudz

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    I liked the wee guy, but no. Barisic will go on to be an excellent player for us and we're just unlucky that he's injured. I suspect at the point of moving DJ on the manager looked at it and thought he had a Scottish international, a defender he knew well from Liverpool and a left sided midfielder who could sit in there for cover.

    Much as I thought DJ deserved a little bit more of a chance at the time, the reality is it would have been bad for his career if he had stayed here plus we were in a position where we couldn't really afford to spend the time developing him as a player as the shitfest of a defence from last season needed sorted out pronto.

    FWIW, I still believe DJ will go on to have a decent career and isn't as bad as some make out on here.
     
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    He'd fit in well here then ;):D
     
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  20. Vote For Pedro

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    I think it’s cause he is a right back and very one footed. Teams have sussed this and noted he’s very uncomfortable at left back. He’s a back up for Tav, which is why we need a fit Barasic back. %^*& knows the score with Wallace but he’s a far better option than a right back or left footed midfielder!
     
  21. wsb&warmy

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    Yes.
     
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    He'd have been better back up to Barisic than our current options but that's all. His injury record is also a concern and we've enough players like that already.
     
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    I quite liked him when he was fit but no better than what we currently have so no for me.
     
  24. Bearinabluehose

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    Do you think that op?

    Some amount of hysteria on here over a bad result ... defeats happen off nights happen the need to blame individuals or question the decisions to let players leave is bat shit crazy on here .!
     
  25. dookieno8

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    short term yes, long term no.
     
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    Of course not.

    His injury record proves it.
     
  27. Realger34

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    Decent fullback but constantly injured.
     
  28. Bluebluecee

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    Omit the first five words of your post and I thought you were talking about Flannigan
     
  29. Gameboy

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    Definitely, better than Wallace, Halliday and Flanagan at LB.

    I reckon he would be on less than Flanagan aswell.
     
  30. Airplane

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    He wanted to be closer to home so I doubt we could have made him stay
     
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  31. Marstonbear

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    Let's see how Barasic does on his return
     
  32. Buffalo

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    Declan John was an awful defender and a couple of goals vs Hamilton will never change that.
     
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  33. Marcellus Wallace

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    Don't think he's featuring much for Swansea so I'd say no
     
  34. adamski

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    I'll go as far as saying we wouldn't still be playing European football if he'd started as left back
     
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    This, he is a perennially injured player,
     
  36. robandmundt

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    This is what gets me. Flanagan gets absolutely destroyed for offering nothing on the left offensively. Tav gets absolutely destroyed for not doing what a full back is supoosed to do, and sit back and defend. It's lose/lose whatever you do
     
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  37. Der Berliner

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    Just don't start to talk sense here! :eek:

    Methinks John was a left winger turned fullback. There are games that suited him, as teams sat back, and there were games when e.g. the Yahoo wingers ran all over him. He still was a better defender than Tav IMHO. Went home because of some family stuff, more than us willing to sell.

    We do have Barisic now, while Flanagan and Halliday are simply utilized as cover. Our injury record has been ridiculously high, with 4 to 8 first teamers and important players out at ANY given time. Methinks Barisic is back soon, so Flanagan will be Tav's cover rather than anything else. And, BTW, I do like full-backs going forward, but first and foremost, I want full-backsable of defending. Flanagan ain't to bad at that and is usually picked for defending, rather than attacking. Unless we have no-one else to pick.

    Perhaps that Jaden Jones lad will plug that hole in January.
     
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    Certainly preferable to Halliday or Flanagan.
     
  39. tambourineman

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    We are on the verge of getting out of the group stages of the Europa League, second in the league and even if the unwashed win their game in hand we are only three points behind them.

    So what would John bring to the table that would improve our position. He might be better than Flanagan and Halliday but is he make a difference better? I think not.
     
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  40. Jacrispy

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    Sorry, I can’t forget what a hopeless defender he was. He had zero awareness of where opposition attackers were and regularly left gaping holes in the defence.

    Decent going forward, but chronic at the back.
     
  41. RFC97

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    Nah he was rubbish
     
  42. Teddy bear

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    He's been injured all season so we made the right decision, he was also injured a few times when with us,seems an unlucky lad.
    Decent player imo
     
  43. Alex Venters

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    Yes we did, when we signed him.
    He wasn't and never will be of the standard required.
     
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    Flanagan was out of contract and didn't exactly have teams queuing up to sign him so I can't imagine he's on megabucks. I liked DJ but I don't agree that he's better than Wallace or Halliday in that position. Good going forwards but suspect at the back.
     
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    Really good player that he was for us last season, I think we made the right decision.
     
  47. sportssocks

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    No. He was shite, too small and unable to cope with this league.
     
  48. JeffreySpaulding

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    He might have been good as back up but we got a decent fee for him which was put to use in the summer to improve the squad more than it would keeping him.
     
  49. Ron Burgundy

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    Is he any worse than Flanagan?
     
  50. Cadzow Bear

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    Not for me. He couldn't tackle a fish supper and his attacking play declined sharply after a promising start. He wasn't good enough.
     

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