Can you give me proof of this every day racism on FF in the lounge??
As a matter of interest was any evidence of such provided?
Can you give me proof of this every day racism on FF in the lounge??
Agree with most you said. As for the historical reference it’s to illustrate we’re still living with the aftermath of hundreds of years of dubious moral decisions. And our club being thee British club means yes we get the unfair stereotypes that I’m highlighting mate. It’s not fair but it’s how it’s perceived.
Not a chance it happened without people around not sorting it out by telling them to shut up or go into a busy pub and get abused while others never said a word.
I read something similar a couple of years ago somewhere but can’t remember what in.
I just hope my memory is right and callingBS on it, if wrong WTF were the folk round the guy doing ?
No because there is noneAs a matter of interest was any evidence of such provided?
What do you think?As a matter of interest was any evidence of such provided?
That guys reeking. Just a broad sweeping statement. Actually looks like he was that desperate to post he nevet checked to see if it was coherent or not.Tell you what mate. Show us a post which has been racist. I'll save you the time, there are none.
What you are saying is that in a free society, people have no right to question the story. Put up or shut up in your world.
Well here's one, I think your a tim on here stirring it up. You may not be, but by your rules I reserve the right to accept that as the truth, just because I say so.
I did ask that last night ....in this day and age of camera phones ?? at the very least i'd expect a name and shame
It should never even been a debate worth having. I personally dont care about someone thinking I appear elitist mate if they get theat from me saying that someone who is not a racist is morally superior to someone who is (Again, not saying you are a racist. I am generalising).I'd have a lie down....you're not doing well in the not appearing to be smug, elitist, and someone who knows nothing about what makes our support tick. I don't know you but I cannot say you have handled thread well....you appear (not in person as we cannot know) to WANT this to be true. The 13th page isn't needed....this was done on Page 1. Do we agree?
This cant seriously be a question? Anyone who would be sad is beyond help.so it’s an article of faith for you? Serious question, if there was no racism anymore would you be happy or sad?
Its really really sad and depressing. Seems as if a minority are committed to our club being the quintessential WASP (white Anglo Saxon Protestant club) that the media want to tar us with, rather than the multicultural one we are now. Wee angry bald men with red faces.
There is an element, and while it does happen at other clubs, that’s just whatabouttery on our part. If you see it call it, self-policing is the only way now. The club have screamed about it till the cows have came home.
The people who get targeted were up until a few decades ago more likely to be as much a British subject as you and I are. Hence all the colonies celebrated Empire Day a century ago, hundreds of millions of the Queens subjects.
Sorry mate but what you are saying is not correct. Workers of the boys club have been convicted and hopefully they rot. The official links to that club are what will be heard as part of the class action suit which will be in courts this year. Especially the fact they covered it up. They havent been found guilty of this but I choose to believe they are. So, in this instance I am not 'innocent until proven guilty'. It seems nor are you which is good but makes your initial stance seem daft.Your argument is all over the shop here. I'll say it again, since you ignored it the first time. People have literally been convinced regarding child sex offences at Celtic. You denying that to be true, doesn't change it.
What you're promoting is anarchy and mob rules.
Exactly.If he'd privately taken it to the club, allowed the club to properly investigate, and then act accordingly depending on the outcome, I don't see anyone having an issue with that.
Playing it out in public, on nothing more than heresay, whilst pretending to be a Rangers fan, is why people are massively sceptical. Some have now reached the conclusion that our support as a collective are guilty, without any sort of due process having taken place.
In the eyes of some, job done.
I was at the piggery for one of our games and there was easily hundreds, if not 4 figures of potatoes thrown on to the park as the teams came out, some of which ended up firing a handful or so into their fans in the main standYou've also missed the potatoes we allegedly threw at the piggery.
yes but you’ve described your anti-racism as both a thing that makes you look good and something based on faith in the self-proclaimed victim (regardless of reasonable doubt which is not to be applied according to your ritual).This cant seriously be a question? Anyone who would be sad is beyond help.
What do you think?
Anyway, some Lounge posters see offence everywhere and get all opposing views shut down...whether it is racism or not.
CCTV in the pup which he was not sure of the name and if he has been in Ibrox the club will also know where and who is around him.From the article in the DR:
So we weren't relatable to him until we had a more, mixed, diverse squad?
Can you imagine the outcry if someone claimed to relate to a team as they were white
In my opinion (for what it's worth) is that he has become offended over nothing. I don't believe for a minute he was racially abused.
Never a Rangers fan in a million years.
As a matter of interest was any evidence of such provided?
Zilch, zero surprisingly.
Someone that condemns racism is morally superior to someone who does not. I am not saying that you dont condemn it btw, I am speaking generally.
4 post in 4 years, Did you post to congratulate the team on winning 55.This place is honestly a disgrace and a complete embarrassment.
Three guesses what colour of skin can of aw have that are asking what proof there is. You have no idea what life can still he like for people of colour and how unwelcoming the football environment can be.
Maybe we just listen to people of colour and learn about their experiences. Maybe that might just help.
Have a word with yourselves.
Nice to see so many sound folk on here calling this out for what it is.
This collective voice needs to be louder in our support.
Everyone anyone, let’s actually mean it and live it.
There are one or two of this type on here.Boring woketards permanently offended.If you feel righteous, virtuous and 'better' by being left of center if does....regardless of what you may think.....speak more of you than of the issues you profess to care about. That is true of all fanatics.
If this happened at a Celtic game no one would have heard a word about it. Was Barry Ferguson receiving sectarian abuse from thousands of Celtic fans not even worth a mention from scotshit journalists and TV media. It out of order abusing someone because of his colour but this story is small stuff compared to events at alloa
It’s one of those accounts. As you’ve shown they are pretty easy to spot. Do a drive by then disappear.4 post in 4 years, Did you post to congratulate the team on winning 55.
It happened at Celtic park earlier in the season, and it was reported.
Can’t imagine the day when I’d register with one of their forums just to have a go at them, Utterly tragic behaviour.It’s one of those accounts. As you’ve shown they are pretty easy to spot. Do a drive by then disappear.
I'd have a lie down....you're not doing well in the not appearing to be smug, elitist, and someone who knows nothing about what makes our support tick. I don't know you but I cannot say you have handled thread well....you appear (not in person as we cannot know) to WANT this to be true. The 13th page isn't needed....this was done on Page 1. Do we agree?
Whilst in poor taste to some, is it racist?
Its like Rupert Grint getting the same treatment and getting Ed Sheerin songs sang to him - he is white and ginger… this chap and Fash are black with black hair.
I dont want anyone leaving a game feeling like that of course but from reading the article it seems (particularly the comment in the stadium) that its a storm in a tea cup.
See these kinda videos with fans singing to stewards that look like Harry Maguire or the big guy from The Chase. Its rarely meant in a hurtful manner.
Granted I am not black so perhaps its lost on me but seems like he maybe a delicate soul easily upset - like most of society now.
Get him a profile on here and he could fill a bath with tears from the posts we all get hammered with!
After that one running onto the pitch with handcuffs, nothing surprises me from a Tim anymore.Can’t imagine the day when I’d register with one of their forums just to have a go at them, Utterly tragic behaviour.
"Being virulently anti racist "
Anything of this sort is suspect. Why not just try and live your life not being a racist? Why be virulently anything? Most such types don't veer far from self obsessed attention seekers, and I went to Uni at the time of Socialist Worker, Red Wedge and the Young Trots!
Why would anyone film it when their time would be better spent telling the neanderthal to STFU ? Sometimes, when the unexpected happens, it takes a while to process mentally so absence of mobile footage proves zilch.In the age when everyone gets filmed doing anything there is no evidence?!!!! I smell media led BS.
I seen a post on here last night that had a go at fellow posters. His, words were along the lines of certain posters being right wing wankstain fantasists.
Yes, even the green brigade would do well to come up with that comment. Who needs enemies, although I've still to meet a Rangers fan who would come out with a quote like that. Only ever see this online
Well, that's a fair point.I'm not defending the statement in bold but you get the same from the other side of the political spectrum. Both are just as bad.
Hilarious at the time but racism now. Shows how the world has changed.I was at the piggery for one of our games and there was easily hundreds, if not 4 figures of potatoes thrown on to the park as the teams came out, some of which ended up firing a handful or so into their fans in the main stand
It was hilarious but to suggest it didn’t happen is nonsense.
IIRC it was probably around McLeish’s time
Found something on it: https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Football:+Police+warn+Ibrox+fans:+No+potatoes.-a0121366887
As a Rangers fan I'd suggest you're not a fan of the IRA. Why not just live your life not being a member of the IRA?
Do you see the hypocrisy there?
To eradicate something, you must oppose it.
How do you oppose it though?
In this case specifically I think the staff in the pub should have done something. Really that's all that could have been done. Obviously being in a pub there is booze involved and if someone is being a racist scumbag then they need to just be ejected and told they are barred forever.
The stuff in the stadium, specifically in this situation, is more tricky. You've got a guy "talking football" with the people around him 25 minutes into the match and some old boy from somewhere pipes up "I cannae understand a word you are saying mate, are you even speaking English?" I don't see anything that's overtly hateful or abusive in that. It's not blatant enough that I'd be OK with costing someone their season ticket, or getting someone in trouble with the police, by making a scene. If it was a white guy from Peterhead and another white guy from Gretna saying "I can't understand a word of this" to each other then I'd probably just laugh at them.
With the thing in the stadium I think anyone wanting to do something about it would have to assume intent. That seems like a difficult one, potentially.
Nor could I, but is there any bear who Does want it to be true? There are a million Rangers supporters and not all of them are pure as the driven snow. Depressingly, racism is still alive and kicking in both society and football, and Rangers, like other clubs, will have their share. Most people desperately wish this wasn't the case, and it would be very odd for anyone other than an out and out racist to Want it to be true.A lot of unfamiliar usernames in this thread with a lot to say, probably all logged into their kds & the huddleboard forums can't understand so called Bears falling over themselves hoping it's true
Racism & racist behaviour is disgusting, but reading what he's said, I feel he's taken offence where none was meant, if it happened at all.
Very strange that he never alerted anyone at the stadium. His friends never heard it in the pub, whilst sitting at the same table.
Instead of contacting the club or pub, he contacts the daily record instead.
There's a strong smell of shite about it.
Just my personal belief but being fanatically anti racist to me means calling it out where and when it happens. I think everyone who is anti racist is fanatical about it as i don’t think you can be kinda anti racist. To me you are or you are not. Maybe too simplistic a view but its certainly my view.Mate, what people are trying to say to you is when someone becomes fanatically "anti-racist" they can end up doing damage to people based on an assumption of racism rather than actual racism.
So, for example, hounding and bullying someone off social media because they said Black Panther was a rubbish movie would be taking "anti-racism" a bit too far.
When you say you are someone who "condemns racism" are you just talking about saying "oh that's really bad" on the internet? What does the day to day life of an active "anti-racist" look like? You do and say a lot of stuff in public or is it mostly just statements on social media?
No one said that.I do agree with you on both points mate.
Was more responding to the poster who said that ‘anti racism is an illness’ and that we should all just try to not be racist instead. My point being that you need to oppose something to get rid of it.