English Premiership ban on shirt betting sponsorship

[PartizanGit]

How much protection do we need?

Fly Emirates, Cazoo etc. are damaging the environment.
Samsung and Apple sell devices that are negatively impacting socialising.
Burger King is junk food.
Ed Sheeran sponsors Ipswich Town and I'd argue his music is an audio version of gonorrhea.

 

[stewie_griffin]

hunk rubbish, folk need to take responsibility for themselves. Not be micro managed by government.

 

[LoyalNomad]

Load of nonsense in my opinion.

 

[Wazza]

For a select few that know more than the odds maker it gives them the ability to make money. For the vast majority its enjoyment and a bit of recreation hoping to be right about something. Some you get right some you don’t.

Just because a further small subset have lost the ability to control themselves it would appear its now viewed as a scourge, blanket ban. Nanny state.

To be replaced with crypto junk or plus500 where its exactly the same thing and in contrast nobody actually knows hee haw about what they are punting, compared to the sport theyve spent their life watching and understanding, players they can look at and know they are about to get booked subbed or score.

* If someone wishes to ban cartoon racing and preprogrammed slots and get back to proper bookmaking it would be better for all. They’ve pushed it too far and something that most of society enjoys is now under threat.

Most of that about making profit is bravado though, I’ve seen it for years from heads of trading to blokes down the pub. It’s also amazing how many people really do have an issue, in my position once people know what I do and I would say my honesty around it all, so many open up about their struggles, something that started as casual has spiralled out of control - again bravado.

You should the rise in bets on the in play table tennis or basketball or the roulette at 21:50 on a cl night, people on the chase etc… it goes through the roof.

 

[Bluebeard]

Orange??? What decade are you living in mate?

What do you mean?

 

[nelster]

Most of that about making profit is bravado though, I’ve seen it for years from heads of trading to blokes down the pub. It’s also amazing how many people really do have an issue, in my position once people know what I do and I would say my honesty around it all, so many open up about their struggles, something that started as casual has spiralled out of control - again bravado.

You should the rise in bets on the in play table tennis or basketball or the roulette at 21:50 on a cl night, people on the chase etc… it goes through the roof.

As we head off on our tangent about the intricacies of the industry. Interesting to us of course.

As a core policy. Should betting companies be allowed to advertise ?

Smoking tobacco products kills. That’s why they were banned.

People are being offered the opportunity to spend their own money on something that either returns their money with profit or loses that money. Should it be banned from public view ? If yes then why not all crypto and plus500.

 

[Bluebeard]

As much as I enjoy it i'm not sure how "healthy" Pepsi is.

Pepsi is far superior to Coke I’ve always said it

Worst that can happen is it will rot your teeth of you go overboard. Alcohol and gambling can ruin lives.

 

[Wazza]

As we head off on our tangent about the intricacies of the industry. Interesting to us of course.

As a core policy. Should betting companies be allowed to advertise ?

Smoking tobacco products kills. That’s why they were banned.

People are being offered the opportunity to spend their own money on something that either returns their money with profit or loses that money. Should it be banned from public view ? If yes then why not all crypto and plus500.

I’m really not too sure on that about advertising, maybe only in the Racing Post or Racing Channels. I’ll always base it on what I’ve seen to be honest and obviously the really bad situations I’ve seen - young lads being targeted, problem gamblers and sadly those with mental disabilities such as those with autism. So many problems with gambling firms - withdrawals, rules, communication, welching - hell of a lot of things that really should be a basic consumer right to be put in place across the whole industry.

I’m not in to all this crypto stuff but I have noticed people who are in to gambling on Sport taking an interest in it. I am seeing the same bravado/mood swings from some as well mind.

 

[Always Ready]

A good move in my opinion

Hopefully this spreads to the rest of football, us included

I’m actually surprised that the issue hasn’t arisen with gambling firms or alcohol sponsors on shirts when it come to Muslim players.

I seem to remember something concerning Kanoute at Sevilla.

 

[nelster]

I’m really not too sure on that about advertising, maybe only in the Racing Post or Racing Channels. I’ll always base it on what I’ve seen to be honest and obviously the really bad situations I’ve seen - young lads being targeted, problem gamblers and sadly those with mental disabilities such as those with autism. So many problems with gambling firms - withdrawals, rules, communication, welching - hell of a lot of things that really should be a basic consumer right to be put in place across the whole industry.

I’m not in to all this crypto stuff but I have noticed people who are in to gambling on Sport taking an interest in it. I am seeing the same bravado/mood swings from some as well mind.

The rotten products and practices should be removed.

To hide them by banning advertising and allowing it to continue unabated is negligence by those in charge of society.

The practices and rules need changed as a fundamental.

 

[Barrymoped]

Pepsi is far superior to Coke I’ve always said it

Worst that can happen is it will rot your teeth of you go overboard. Alcohol and gambling can ruin lives.

Diabetes is far worse than rotting teeth and is becoming more and more common as we turn into a nation of fat lazy buggers.

 

[ozo]

Used to be the case that only the pools, bingo and the national lottery were allowed to advertise. Fairly recent too - the proliferation of tv betting ads and shirt sponsorship of teams only started about 15 years ago when the law was changed.

 

[Bluebeard]

Diabetes is far worse than rotting teeth and is becoming more and more common as we turn into a nation of fat lazy buggers.

You won’t catch diabetes from drinking one can of Pepsi a day.

 

[PartizanGit]

You won’t catch diabetes from drinking one can of Pepsi a day.

Having an affordable flutter every few days won't land you in mountains of debt. Drinking responsibly isn't unhealthy and won't ruin anyone's life either.

Excess is the problem.

 

[King Richard]

Virtue signalling pish from the EPL.

Want to get rid of gambling shirt sponsorship but will happily take any unscrupulous owner from the middle east as long as the money is right

 

[Bluebeard]

Having an affordable flutter every few days won't land you in mountains of debt. Drinking responsibly isn't unhealthy and won't ruin anyone's life either.

Excess is the problem.

There’s Pepsi max as well tho. Surely people aren’t saying booze and gambling is better for you than Diet Pepsi?

 

[gr1688]

What do you mean?

Orange are now EE, have been for quite a few years now

 

[Wazza]

The rotten products and practices should be removed.

To hide them by banning advertising and allowing it to continue unabated is negligence by those in charge of society.

The practices and rules need changed as a fundamental.

See I see the advertising as pulling people in to that circle of dodgy practices.

Like I said earlier these telephone betting/watts app firms popping up don’t sit right with me. You can pay through bank transfer and they aren’t on GamStop so they bypass the blocks a problem gambler may have put in place by blocking gambling on their debit card or registering with GamStop.

 

[Barrymoped]

There’s Pepsi max as well tho. Surely people aren’t saying booze and gambling is better for you than Diet Pepsi?

No, that would be silly.

What I’m saying is both are fine in moderation, neither are remotely good for you if you do it to excess

 

[Barrymoped]

Virtue signalling pish from the EPL.

Want to get rid of gambling shirt sponsorship but will happily take any unscrupulous owner from the middle east as long as the money is right

Absolutely correct.

It’s a slippery slope if they want to go down that road.

They are only to happy to take absolutely mountains of cash off Sky, who run almost constant adverts on gambling on Sky Sports.

So why is that ok?

 

[bob1873]

We cant have cars either. They pollute the air and can kill people when used incorrectly

Sorry I forgot these new rules . The world is nuts.

 

[King Richard]

Absolutely correct.

It’s a slippery slope if they want to go down that road.

They are only to happy to take absolutely mountains of cash off Sky, who run almost constant adverts on gambling on Sky Sports.

So why is that ok?

Your spot on with that.

Can you see EPL demanding that Sky don't show any Skybet adverts during games.....no me either.

 

[Deleted member 125]

The amount of support for censorship and Government over-reach in all aspects of public life troubles me.

Gambling, just like booze isn’t harmful to most folk.

I’m not in the most folk category but I’m almost certain my issues were neither caused or exacerbated by the likes of Ray Winston or George the Hoffmeister Bear.

 

[Uncle June]

I always thought Marlboro reds projected a sense of masculinity

'Projected' lol, ye of little faith

I'll have you know as soon as you spark up a red, you are instantly cooler and harder. You get an eastwoodesque deep voice, broader shoulders, and an iron mike tyson hook.

If you smoke it without using your fingers (mouth only) you get a few inches on your banger an all

 

[PartizanGit]

The amount of support for censorship and Government over-reach in all aspects of public life troubles me.

Same here. I expect the authorities to enjoy ever-expanding powers but I always hope the public's initial response will be to question it, rather than support it.

People should be careful what they wish for.

 

[Wazza]

Same here. I expect the authorities to enjoy ever-expanding powers but I always hope the public's initial response will be to question it, rather than support it.

People should be careful what they wish for.

I wish they would use their powers mate, fire "32 red fine" in to google and you'll see what I mean.

 

[Moses McNeil]

What do you mean?

If you are talking about Orange the phone network then they haven’t existed for at least 10 years.

 

[Barrymoped]

If you are talking about Orange the phone network then they haven’t existed for at least 10 years.

Weren’t they bought by BT and became EE?

 

[PartizanGit]

I wish they would use their powers mate, fire "32 red fine" in to google and you'll see what I mean.

32Red got fined £2m for encouraging a customer to gamble when they displayed signs of vulnerability - is that the fine you mean?

Nothing about that surprises me at all.

Gambling is a huge problem for a percentage of people who participate, I agree (I've witnessed it personally and professionally too).

 

[Hateley's Barnet]

Next they will be banning food sponsorships incase big fatty's get offended.

 

[Wazza]

32Red got fined £2m for encouraging a customer to gamble when they displayed signs of vulnerability - is that the fine you mean?

Nothing about that surprises me at all.

Gambling is a huge problem for a percentage of people who participate, I agree (I've witnessed it personally and professionally too).

Yeah, there’s hundreds to be fair across firms. It’s not isolated to Kindred/Kambi.

My point is if the Government used their power correctly by really clamping down on those incidents then the advertising wouldn’t be as dangerous. 22 warning signs and they did sod all, a lad of 18 could go wild online and end up topping himself (seen it happen). If a nanny state stops that from happening so be it.

 

[nelster]

Government used their power correctly by really clamping down on those incidents then the advertising wouldn’t be as dangerous.

Its incredible how inept their Gambling Commission is and where debate / agenda (depending on your outlook) has now taken us.

Its almost as if its a group of people that actually want to stop gambling entirely that are now in charge of gambling in the UK.

Its a billion pound tax take industry (?) you spend a few million per year putting the correct procedures in place and actually enforce them properly.

Where its going right now is utter madness.

 

[PartizanGit]

If a nanny state stops that from happening so be it.

I doubt anyone would argue against restrictions on that sort of thing.

The thread is about adverts on football shirts though.

Additionally, gamblers will always find ways to gamble. Do supermarkets restrict alcoholics from buying multiple bottles of vodka - nope? Do McDonald's stop obese people from buying triple Mac meals - nope? Do corner shops stop people with cancer buying cigarettes - nope?

 

[Wazza]

Its incredible how inept their Gambling Commission is and where debate / agenda (depending on your outlook) has now taken us.

Its almost as if its a group of people that actually want to stop gambling entitely that are now in charge of gambling in the UK.

Its a billion pound tax take industry (?) you spend a few million per year putting the correct procedures in place and actually enforce them.

Where its going right now is utter madness.

This is because of constant failings over the years really so now it’s going way over the top. Many Firms just cannot be trusted in the UK, they’ll try anything to either get problem punters punting to not paying out on fair winners. Sad reality.

I doubt anyone would argue against restrictions on that sort of thing.

The thread is about adverts on football shirts though.

Additionally, gamblers will always find ways to gamble. Do supermarkets restrict alcoholics from buying multiple bottles of vodka - nope? Do McDonald's stop obese people from buying triple Mac meals - nope? Do corner shops stop people with cancer buying cigarettes - nope?

See that’s where you are showing your naivety. Plenty of lads have been at rock bottom and managed to stop gambling.

No, none of those things happen. Plenty of people would welcome it mind! Weak argument on this anyway as gambling isn’t something you intake physically.

 

[nelster]

The thread is about adverts on football shirts though.

Agreed. I will try leave it there. Like hearing wazza soundbites on it. We never get to hear most of it on the other side.

Advertising is the tip of the iceberg. We should all be uncomfortable that just hiding something from public view that would appear to be littered rotten companies / practices is viewed as the solution.

 

[Wazza]

Agreed. I will try leave it there. Like hearing wazza soundbites on it. We never get to hear most of it on the other side.

Advertising is the tip of the iceberg. We should all be uncomfortable that just hiding something from public view that would appear to be littered rotten companies / practices is viewed as the solution.

The reason why so much can be spent on advertising is because of what goes on in a dodgy manner from the firms. This is what people don’t seem to get, they seem to think all Firms are running a nice, clean and fair operation and then putting money in to Football. The reality is far from that.

I’ll always have a problem with how firms ram punting down the throat of people because of what I’ve seen close up, that’s when it really hits home how rotten some people in the industry are and how some people (especially young lads/the vulnerable) need protecting from them.

 

[Tino_Col]

For a select few that know more than the odds maker it gives them the ability to make money. For the vast majority its enjoyment and a bit of recreation hoping to be right about something. Some you get right some you don’t.

Just because a further small subset have lost the ability to control themselves it would appear its now viewed as a scourge, blanket ban. Nanny state.

To be replaced with crypto junk or plus500 where its exactly the same thing and in contrast nobody actually knows hee haw about what they are punting, compared to the sport theyve spent their life watching and understanding, players they can look at and know they are about to get booked subbed or score.

* If someone wishes to ban cartoon racing and preprogrammed slots and get back to proper bookmaking it would be better for all. They’ve pushed it too far and something that most of society enjoys is now under threat.

Who is talking about a blanket ban on gambling?

You are going on about nanny state because of a mild restriction to gambling (no adverts on football tops) and then end up suggesting something a lot more interventionist in racing slots. All over the place mate!

 

[PartizanGit]

See that’s where you are showing your naivety. Plenty of lads have been at rock bottom and managed to stop gambling.

Where have I shown my naivety?

I think gambling is problematic. I think gambling companies are unethical money-makers.

 

[Wazza]

Where have I shown my naivety?

I think gambling is problematic. I think gambling companies are unethical money-makers.

Mainly saying gamblers will always find a way to gamble pal. So many blocks can be put in place etc. Then about the not serving alkies etc, does happen in some places that.

Anyway, you’ve made your point. Depresses me these threads to be honest, gets me thinking about bad shit I’ve seen in the past - things I never want to experience again and hate the thought they can still happen. Best I leave it.

Cheers.

 

[PartizanGit]

Mainly saying gamblers will always find a way to gamble pal. So many blocks can be put in place etc.

I have a mate who is banned from multiple sites and bookies, so he just gets mates to gamble on his behalf.

 

[nelster]

Who is talking about a blanket ban on gambling?

You are going on about nanny state because of a mild restriction to gambling (no adverts on football tops) and then end up suggesting something a lot more interventionist in racing slots. All over the place mate!

The thread progressed well, enjoyed reading Wazzas insider stuff, we agreed to keep it to advertising.

You’ve totally misinterpreted what I know and outlined above. There are blanket limits coming in on peoples ability to use their own money. That is wrong.

There are also products which only exist as you are 100% guaranteed to lose on them long term if you play them. That is wrong.

Removing bad products and practices need to be the focus. Not stopping advertising and allowing those things to continue.

 

[Wazza]

I have a mate who is banned from multiple sites and bookies, so he just gets mates to gamble on his behalf.

Have them myself pal, I refuse to put bets on for them. There is a reason they are banned.

I don’t want to argue anyway pal, I’m not being big headed but I’ve seen absolutely loads in my 20 years.

The way I view these things is "would you tell your kids that is a good thing to do". With gambling, the answer is a definitive no. Therefore I don't want it splashed all over our kit, I don't want them to see ads on TV and I don't want them to associate their favourite sports with the belief that they have to bet on games to maximise their enjoyment.

I agree with that, more and more as I get older.

 

[bud_light]

If you are talking about Orange the phone network then they haven’t existed for at least 10 years.

Not in Britain but I think they are the second biggest mobile network in the world

 

[Moses McNeil]

Not in Britain but I think they are the second biggest mobile network in the world

That maybe the case but why would a non-British mobile network sponsor a team in Scotland?

 

[bud_light]

That maybe the case but why would a non-British mobile network sponsor a team in Scotland?

World wide brand.Wolves use a Thai bookies I think

 

[biodoc]

It will eventually get banned here

Just wait for that lot to get a non gambling/drink sponsor and within days wee Jimmy Krankie will pass legislation banning it.

 

[The People]

Just wait for that lot to get a non gambling/drink sponsor and within days wee Jimmy Krankie will pass legislation banning it.

Excellent point mate ,could see that happening

 

[biodoc]

With online bookmakers i've seen gamblers who got got themselves get into so much debt they went bankrupt still able to cheat the system and create new accounts for themselves.

 

[km_2083]

How much protection do we need?

Fly Emirates, Cazoo etc. are damaging the environment.
Samsung and Apple sell devices that are negatively impacting socialising.
Burger King is junk food.
Ed Sheeran sponsors Ipswich Town and I'd argue his music is an audio version of gonorrhea.

^^This

However wonder how our fans would feel if got sponsored by “green day” as a replacement for 32Red

 

[km_2083]

With online bookmakers i've seen gamblers who got got themselves get into so much debt they went bankrupt still able to cheat the system and create new accounts for themselves.

Yet you lose bit much in a shop they start asking for proof of income, double standards