Football wise, we need to stiffen up the midfield

We need to either go 4-5-1 with Miller dropped and a proper Centre midfielder but our problem is if Merelos is injuredwe have no hold up striker.
Or we go 3-5-2 and try and get legs in midfield and try Pena as one off the two strikers, he is a man short with passing and creating but he makes good runs and can finish so get him in.
We can’t keep going with our dreadful formation we have just now which is 5-5-5 with Miller playing five positions at once.
 
willemtway said:
easily overrun, weak, and we need someone else in there to make it a 3.

Barjonas for me
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I have been saying this for some time
My preferred choice would be young McCorie, which would also allow for changing to a three at the back if the situation called for it.
I would certainly drop Windass who is simply too ineffective in his overall contribution.

A midfield three would allow the full backs more licence to attack and the width could come from them in the absence of two wingers.
Three forwards who played as forwards ahead of the midfield would be required.
Kenny Miller should not be one of them, although he would be a good option off the bench for the latter stages of a game.
 
Slickrick said:
We need to either go 4-5-1 with Miller dropped and a proper Centre midfielder but our problem is if Merelos is injuredwe have no hold up striker.
Or we go 3-5-2 and try and get legs in midfield and try Pena as one off the two strikers, he is a man short with passing and creating but he makes good runs and can finish so get him in.
We can’t keep going with our dreadful formation we have just now which is 5-5-5 with Miller playing five positions at once.
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I'd agree along the 3-5-2 lines - if all fit

Wes
McCrorie Alves Cardoso
Tav Holt Jack Dorrans Wallace
Morelos/Miller Hardie

Until we get a new manager with funds to buy new players - and let's be honest - we need to improve every position, not just midfield.
 
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Do we have the personnel to play 5 in the middle?

We've also been victim to a mini injury crisis which is why last night's 4 were Miller, Jack, Holt and Candieas.
 
daven37 said:
I'd agree along the 3-5-2 lines - if all fit

Wes
McCrorie Alves Cardoso
Tav Holt Jack Dorrans Wallace
Morelos/Miller Hardie

Until we get a new manager with funds to buy new players - and let's be honest - the we need to improve every position, not just midfield.
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What do you see in Hardie?
 
I posted this on another thread

Wes
Tav
Alves
Cardoso
John

McCrorie

Barjonas
Jack
Holt

Miller
Morelos

Murty has nothing to lose by changing it for Wed.Windass and Candeias don't have the heart for this Wed night where it's going to be a volatile atmosphere.Miller is only there due to his experience and nothing else .Just hope wee Morelos is fit
 
I just don't rate Herrera - he has done nothing to show he can offer anything.

Miller should be getting used sparingly if at all.

I think we need someone who is a bit more lively - he is quicker than the other forwards. I just want to try something different because at the moment I see absolutely nothing.

The sheep wont sit in against us so maybe hardie can be more useful.
 
To me Holt is too weak to play in midfield. A few times last night he was easily bundled off the ball and also on a few occasions was very careless in possession.
I would like to see more of Barjonas to see if he can offer more. Unfortunately we don't have that many options!!
 
We can’t afford to play 2 wide players especially 2 very poor ones. We need a deep sitting midfielders with two in front of him pushing on and helping the front 2.
If playing some form of 433 or 451, the wider players have to be more of a goal threat like when we had cannigia, Lovenkrands and shota. The scums wide players score goals as do there attackers.
 
bilkobear said:
I have been saying this for some time
My preferred choice would be young McCorie, which would also allow for changing to a three at the back if the situation called for it.
I would certainly drop Windass who is simply too ineffective in his overall contribution.

A midfield three would allow the full backs more licence to attack and the width could come from them in the absence of two wingers.
Three forwards who played as forwards ahead of the midfield would be required.
Kenny Miller should not be one of them, although he would be a good option off the bench for the latter stages of a game.
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Bilko always considered you to be a balanced and intelligent contributor. On Kenny Miller like many posters I am perplexed as to why he gets a game wide or in mid. Last night was a good example of where his skills lie. At 1-1 he gets a ball crossed into box brings it down then shoots wide. Frustrating that he missed but the best strikeres miss better chances. My point is the penalty box is his natural domain, why is he chasing about all over the park?? Whats your take on his consistent inclusion in team?
 
kilbirnie bear said:
I posted this on another thread

Wes
Tav
Alves
Cardoso
John

McCrorie

Barjonas
Jack
Holt

Miller
Morelos

Murty has nothing to lose by changing it for Wed.Windass and Candeias don't have the heart for this Wed night where it's going to be a volatile atmosphere.Miller is only there due to his experience and nothing else .Just hope wee Morelos is fit
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I don't know if Morelos will be fit.
But that is a side that Walter might well have picked.
 
We need a strong, creative central midfield player, Dorrans is being missed but we are short there, at the moment I would give Pena another run in the hole. I listened to the game and saw short highlights, many things to improve on but we did have far more chances than Dundee and should have won. Once again we don't play as well during the 2nd half. We have to get in a proper manager, even if it is only for the rest of the season, it is unfair putting this pressure on Murty to deliver.
 
willemtway said:
easily overrun, weak, and we need someone else in there to make it a 3.

Barjonas for me
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We are desperate for an extra man in midfield imo and I agree it should be Barjonas. He's left footed which would give us balance, he can run and is certainly just as good technically as Jack and Holt.

442 is a specialist formation these days and the team needs to well coached, disciplined and intelligent for it to come off. Our team have none of these attributes.
 
bilkobear said:
I don't know if Morelos will be fit.
But that is a side that Walter might well have picked.
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We are nearing rock bottom in terms of confidence so I would set up not too lose on Wed night.Windass and Candeias will go into hiding if things start to go wrong .

Agree it's not the most attractive of teams but it's where we are
 
Sweet_Home_Alabama said:
Bilko always considered you to be a balanced and intelligent contributor. On Kenny Miller like many posters I am perplexed as to why he gets a game wide or in mid. Last night was a good example of where his skills lie. At 1-1 he gets a ball crossed into box brings it down then shoots wide. Frustrating that he missed but the best strikeres miss better chances. My point is the penalty box is his natural domain, why is he chasing about all over the park?? Whats your take on his consistent inclusion in team?
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I don't know why he is a starter, and I agree totally that he is still an effective operator in and around the eighteen-yard box.
Why Kenny thinks he can run all over the park is a matter for a strong manager to address.
I suspect Pedro did this by simply dropping Miller from the squad, which in the end may have just caused a split inside the player pool........although this is just me speculating.

I like Kenny, but I no longer see him as a ninety minute player.
He would be much better coming off the bench in the latter stages of a game where his fresh legs would be much more effective against those of a tiring opposition.
Kenny will not see it this way, but that is why a strong manager needs put in place who will be the only arbitrator of such decisions.
Football has never been a democracy and a manager really does have to be a dictator.
 
you could throw in , we need some decent competent defenders,, and some forwards who look as if they might score most of the time ,,and maybe find room for a better keeper,, we are a mess from back to front
 
We need to sort out the defence, midfield and show composure in attack and in front of goal.

The defence and errors we make on a game basis are pathetic.

We have no midfield - the middle of the park, the engine room is garbage. Holt are Jack wouldn't get a game in our rivals midfield. They neither dictate, boss or control and game and are soft as shit.

Our wide we have nothing and up top Morelos is horribly off form. Take him out and we've got nothing.

It's a shambles of a team and squad.
 
bilkobear said:
I don't know why he is a starter, and I agree totally that he is still an effective operator in and around the eighteen-yard box.
Why Kenny thinks he can run all over the park is a matter for a strong manager to address.
I suspect Pedro did this by simply dropping Miller from the squad, which in the end may have just caused a split inside the player pool........although this is just me speculating.

I like Kenny, but I no longer see him as a ninety minute player.
He would be much better coming off the bench in the latter stages of a game where his fresh legs would be much more effective against those of a tiring opposition.
Kenny will not see it this way, but that is why a strong manager needs put in place who will be the only arbitrator of such decisions.
Football has never been a democracy and a manager really does have to be a dictator.
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kilbirnie bear said:
We are nearing rock bottom in terms of confidence so I would set up not too lose on Wed night.Windass and Candeias will go into hiding if things start to go wrong .

Agree it's not the most attractive of teams but it's where we are
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We have to dig out results in order to get some confidence back.
Digging out a result is always much easier when you don't concede goals.
Walter Smith was an expert in this, especially at domestic level.
If it means smothering a game and reducing it to an ugly drab contest so be it.

The only change I might suggest is Pena in for Miller for the first 60 minutes.
He might be a luxury, but in a stiffened midfield with others around him, he is a player who might nick the goal that gives us the initiative.
Then a fresh pair of legs in Kenny for the final thirty would hopefully see us grab a second. :D
 
Nothing to disagree with there.
I particularly liked your last sentence. Yes. Yes. Yes. The most successful British managers all had a "hard as nails" persona. SAF, Stein, Shankley, Revie, McLean, Walter, Souness, Paisley. On the other hand the game is littered with "big name" players who were poor managers.
What's your opinion on Tommy Wright? I reckon he's outperforming McInnes on a resource to achievement basis, doubt if any player would survive doing his own thing under him. I also think a period of retrenchment is needed rather than another coach trying to adapt inferior players to a specific playing style.
 
daven37 said:
I'd agree along the 3-5-2 lines - if all fit

Wes
McCrorie Alves Cardoso
Tav Holt Jack Dorrans Wallace
Morelos/Miller Hardie

Until we get a new manager with funds to buy new players - and let's be honest - we need to improve every position, not just midfield.
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This for me except I'd have big Herrera up front with Morelos. Genuinely think they could work well together and score a few goals. At Ibrox id be tempted to play Pena ahead of Holt. This shape would work for us though.
 
bilkobear said:
I have been saying this for some time
My preferred choice would be young McCorie, which would also allow for changing to a three at the back if the situation called for it.
I would certainly drop Windass who is simply too ineffective in his overall contribution.

A midfield three would allow the full backs more licence to attack and the width could come from them in the absence of two wingers.
Three forwards who played as forwards ahead of the midfield would be required.
Kenny Miller should not be one of them, although he would be a good option off the bench for the latter stages of a game.
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We have to get bigger before we get better.
3 at the back with Bates and Alves attacking the ball with Cardoso providing the pace.
Mccrorie and Jack anchoring the midfield with two wing backs. Our full backs are not full backs(if you get my meaning)
Dorrans would be my playmaker with Morelos alongside Pena.
3-4-1-2 in effect.
 
Jaws II said:
We can’t afford to play 2 wide players especially 2 very poor ones. We need a deep sitting midfielders with two in front of him pushing on and helping the front 2.
If playing some form of 433 or 451, the wider players have to be more of a goal threat like when we had cannigia, Lovenkrands and shota. The scums wide players score goals as do there attackers.
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Correct, two of our four midfielders stay wide, leaving only two in the middle, who are easily over run.
 
bilkobear said:
I have been saying this for some time
My preferred choice would be young McCorie, which would also allow for changing to a three at the back if the situation called for it.
I would certainly drop Windass who is simply too ineffective in his overall contribution.

A midfield three would allow the full backs more licence to attack and the width could come from them in the absence of two wingers.
Three forwards who played as forwards ahead of the midfield would be required.
Kenny Miller should not be one of them, although he would be a good option off the bench for the latter stages of a game.
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I like the idea of McCrorie in the middle of the park.
 
willemtway said:
easily overrun, weak, and we need someone else in there to make it a 3.

Barjonas for me
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Missing Dorrans and Rossister is never fit. Niko will never a run of games.

Issue is losing Dorrans and none of those two can step up. Ditch both in Jan and get McArthur on loan to beef up the options

Alves and Cardoso need to be our pairing again at the back

Dunno what to do now though? Pray that Dorrans is fit? Really unhappy our marquee signing Pena was such a massive gamble

So many gambles. Eustace, Barton, Niko, Rossiter, Herrera, Pena etc such a waste
 
3-5-2 with Alves , McCrorie, Cardoso in defence, Tav and John the widest Jack , Dorrans/Barjonas , Windass/Holt/peña central in midfield Morales, Herrera/Peña up front. That’s what I would play if possible.
 
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