Frankfurt Morelos

Think you should be on the teirney appreciation website... We should be defending our own assets not justifying the the value of that lots players...

..or we could give an honest opinion?

We are worse than anyone for whataboutery when it comes to transfer fees.

There are loads of factors that come into it, not just comparisons to what that lot are offered for their players.
 
I want him to stay because he is so important to us. But what is he worth? In the normal commercial world it is what somebody is prepared to pay for him. Football is not a normal commercial market.

His goals (or any top goal scorers) and assists could be worth £25M per season to us if it means Champions league or not. In England that could be £50M per season for a top six team.

But for a bottom half EPL team his goals (or any top goal scorers) could be worth many times more if they prevent relegation, which can cost clubs £100M per season.

I am not saying he is worth megabucks but (i.e. above £25M) but should include generous add-ons for CL qualification or avoiding relegation.
 
So what? The point is the midfield three - whichever midfield three - often played deeper and slower when Alfie is up top. There are other factors but one, for my money, is Alfie’s movement doesn’t allow for quite the same quick incision.

It’s a bit - I stress a bit - like back in late 2000s when Barry Ferguson looked an increasingly stodgy midfielder when Boyd was in the team. As soon as Naismith came on the park, Ferguson played further forward and better quicker forward passes.

Afraid this is nonsense. The midfield 3 behind Alfie played deep and badly. Because they were a bad midfield. Not a single one of them could take a ball and turn. None could dribble past a player. Only Jack could hit a forward pass and even he’s not that good at it. Morelos compensated for this for most of his time with us through his ability to lead a line independently, latch on to long balls and hold them to give others time to catch up to play. To a large extent he played with no midfield support.

Davis Jack and Kamara were the first midfield combination that we’ve had since 2011 that actually functioned. They could win a ball, turn with it find space, beat a man and play forward passes. Jack benefitted from being further forward as he is not good at turning or dribbling. That enabled them to link mid to front. Morelos never had that.

He’s had it this year. And scored a goal every 25 minutes. I think he might like it. Seems fair?
 
People comparing Morelos and Dembele are a little mad. Simply for the fact that £20m is no longer worth £20m. Prices in football are insane and have inflated a great deal, even in the past 12 months.

Moreover, given how well Dembele has done at Lyon, there’s an argument to be made that Celtic undersold him. It’s probably part of the reason they’re asking so much for a left back.

Luckily, Gerrard knows Alfie’s worth and there are a fair few on here who are either Tims or needing sectioned.
 
Comparisons with Morelos and Dembele are pointless

The bheasts got what they wanted for him probably because he was scoring against us regularly, scored a few in the CL and was scoring regularly for France u21’s

We’ve yet to get what we want for Morelos probably because his discipline issues, he’s yet to score against the bheasts and has had very limited exposure in the national team.

IMO if we got offered £15m we’d bite the hand off it
 
We’re in a good position, we don’t NEED to sell so a low ball bid is unlikely and will be rebuffed. I don’t think 10 M will cut it either, 15-20 is the fee. At the lower end of that scale, I’d be expecting a decent sell on %. I only hope, if it’s going to happen it’s done soon so we can bring our top target in and move on.
 
Afraid this is nonsense. The midfield 3 behind Alfie played deep and badly. Because they were a bad midfield. Not a single one of them could take a ball and turn. None could dribble past a player. Only Jack could hit a forward pass and even he’s not that good at it. Morelos compensated for this for most of his time with us through his ability to lead a line independently, latch on to long balls and hold them to give others time to catch up to play. To a large extent he played with no midfield support.

Davis Jack and Kamara were the first midfield combination that we’ve had since 2011 that actually functioned. They could win a ball, turn with it find space, beat a man and play forward passes. Jack benefitted from being further forward as he is not good at turning or dribbling. That enabled them to link mid to front. Morelos never had that.

He’s had it this year. And scored a goal every 25 minutes. I think he might like it. Seems fair?

When (if) we see it, and it works as well as it does with defoe, then I’ll be delighted and you will be right.

But for now, is it unreasonable for me to assess how Alfie has actually played for the last two years and suggest it might actually just be the way he plays?
 
Given interest from down south Gerrard creates and Morelos wanting to play in England it would not be a good move for him to move to Germany. IMO anyway. I also think he will be here for the season and will then go.
 
Has anyone bid form him yet? If €22m comes in we should knock it back. They will come in with a higher amount if they really want him. I question if Morelos would leave us being so close to the EPL where he wants to play.
 
22 million euro is a serious bid.

Not just the amount but that is a team that have done their homework and know that SG wants 20 million pounds (if rumors are correct)

We would be selling at that i think. Only thing left to barter about would be the sell on clause. 10% would be realistic imho.
 
"The video shows that the league only consists of woodchippers and actors. Of course, there are a few South American flight deposits with him, but that's pretty normal over there. I see the hand and the elbow as red cards, at the same time the opponents were not innocent. I've seen worse things here from Abraham. From the video is particularly clear how shitty Scottish referees are. Really pathetic reviews"

One of the quotes from their fans.
Incredible, they’ve found Scottish refs out from a few videos and know full well he wouldn’t get treated like that in Germany. I tell you something, if he had signed for them the fucking mhedia wouldn’t be giving it their xenophobic shite, it’s a privilege to have a South American young talented playing in Scotland and these cvnts are only interested in driving him out and it’s because he plays for Rangers! Morelos will life the league trophy for us before leaving for a hefty fee and telling them all to go %^*& themselves!
 
"Yes, cool, but watch the video. I do not see a crazy hothead but a young player who is treated unfairly by the referee and who still has to learn to stay calm in some situations. He is jostled, pulled and dragged, and the referees let it go. As soon as he does something, there's a card. I just say that will concede much less cards in Germany"

So a Frankfurt fan who has watched a few videos on him can see it but some of our own fans on this forum can't.
It's incredible, eh?
 
Think you should read whats being said. I'm not saying he's worth that but Arsenal think he is so he's done something to make them think that.

And my point is he's not made them think he's worth that with performances against Hamilton and Dundee.

To get to that level of fee you are judged while playing at a higher level. Champions league and International games.
That cannot be where Tierney gets his value from.
 
That cannot be where Tierney gets his value from.

6 games in the CL proper and 9 competitive international matches. That’s it. In his career to date. Given the results, as well as the performances, that’s not adding a great deal to anyone’s value.

If we want to buy someone from AEK Athens do we pay a premium because they had 6 games in the CL last season? (They got 0 points by the way). The argument only holds up if you’ve played, and played well, at such a level. Tierney hasn’t.
 
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That cannot be where Tierney gets his value from.
Exactly my thoughts. Been regularly found out at that level, albeit he’s played as a right back for Scotland which only exposed how one sided he is. His price is a product of the mhedia, he plays for them, he’s Scottish. It does not reflect his true value, he’d take time to make the step up at Arsenal and at £25M he’d not get it.
 
Tell me about the form/talent/skill he demonstrated in these games that would boost his transfer value to the levels being quoted.
Did he not actually play right back in a number of games for Scotland?
I've already said i haven't watched him in the majority of those games but that's where you are judged when it comes to £20m/£25m fees.

If you are disagreeing with that then can you tell me where Arsenal decided he was worth that, was it in SPFL games?
 
I've already said i haven't watched him in the majority of those games but that's where you are judged when it comes to £20m/£25m fees.

If you are disagreeing with that then can you tell me where Arsenal decided he was worth that, was it in SPFL games?

It has gone a bit quiet on the Tierney to Arsenal front, hasn’t it. I think the whole thing was a fantasy created by Celtic in the first place
 
Both sides of the spectrum are mental eh? On one side we've got guys saying we will get 5m for him and on the other side we've got people saying he's as good as Real Madrids new striker:D

It's quality entertainment on FF at times!

If thats a dig at me on Jovic, if you’ve watched him you’d see they’re very similar in style of play, and aye, I do think Morelos is good enough to go the the Bundesliga and make as much of an impact.
 
I've already said i haven't watched him in the majority of those games but that's where you are judged when it comes to £20m/£25m fees.

If you are disagreeing with that then can you tell me where Arsenal decided he was worth that, was it in SPFL games?
I’ll accept that I don’t know for sure but it’s the only place he’s shown any real quality.
It cannot simply be he played for Scotland.
That’d make Graeme Shinnie and John Souttar’s starting point seven figures.
Or that he played in the CL.
So have Maribor, Bate, and a host of other clubs who were the whipping boys that particular year.
Did their players move for £20m plus?
As has been said, Tierney’s biggest sponsor is the Scottish press.
A quick, if moot, question.
If we found Tavernier had a Scottish granny, would his value suddenly double, or even treble?
 
I’ll accept that I don’t know for sure but it’s the only place he’s shown any real quality.
It cannot simply be he played for Scotland.
That’d make Graeme Shinnie and John Souttar’s starting point seven figures.
Or that he played in the CL.
So have Maribor, Bate, and a host of other clubs who were the whipping boys that particular year.
Did their players move for £20m plus?
As has been said, Tierney’s biggest sponsor is the Scottish press.
A quick, if moot, question.
If we found Tavernier had a Scottish granny, would his value suddenly double, or even treble?
They obvilusly think different from you and think he's shown quality at that level.

If Tav was impressing people at international level then of course his value increases. It's quite clear SPFL performances only take you so far.
 
I’ll accept that I don’t know for sure but it’s the only place he’s shown any real quality.
It cannot simply be he played for Scotland.
That’d make Graeme Shinnie and John Souttar’s starting point seven figures.
Or that he played in the CL.
So have Maribor, Bate, and a host of other clubs who were the whipping boys that particular year.
Did their players move for £20m plus?
As has been said, Tierney’s biggest sponsor is the Scottish press.
A quick, if moot, question.
If we found Tavernier had a Scottish granny, would his value suddenly double, or even treble?
Tav’s value should be in excess of £25M in these circumstances, club captain, contracted to 2022, 20 assists, 17 goals and a deadball specialist! Easily the best full back in Scotland.
 
It has gone a bit quiet on the Tierney to Arsenal front, hasn’t it. I think the whole thing was a fantasy created by Celtic in the first place
No.
Septic board taking the p out of their support?
Buttering them up then not delivering?
Lying and deflecting?
Never heard of such a thing.
You’ll be forecasting tomorrow’s papers headline being how they rebuffed Arsenal’s approaches next.
 
Be cup tied surely!
A team that got to the Europa semi finals last year, with champ league aspirations surely wouldn't buy a player for the league only?
 
When (if) we see it, and it works as well as it does with defoe, then I’ll be delighted and you will be right.

But for now, is it unreasonable for me to assess how Alfie has actually played for the last two years and suggest it might actually just be the way he plays?

Have you not watched us this season? You should. We at playing very well and Morelos is scoring a lot.
 
If he goes I just hope we can find a suitable replacement who can be relied upon. This season is huge and the timing isn’t great to be honest. It’s a big risk at this stage and has to be for really big money.
I agree, who's gonna get 30 goals - Defoe was a very good player but he's 36/37, I hope there is a back-up plan for Morelos leaving (not Warburton style).
 
The figure being bandied about in the rumour on the Frankfurt forums is 22 million Euros not Sterling. 22 million Euros was the Dembele fee.

There’s a note to the CFC accounts that suggests you are right mate. It’s slightly muddied because they also sold the Dane & the nite refers to both but your number is materially correct.
 
The Frankfurt "local" Hessenschau now has some vague info that Eintracht were indeed watching him, yet the source of the info is ... guess what ... the Daily Record.

+++ Bericht: Eintracht-Interesse an Morelos +++

Und der Nächste, bitte: Laut eines Berichts des schottischen Daily Record bereitet Eintracht Frankfurt ein Angebot für Alfredo Morelos von den Glasgow Rangers vor. Der kolumbianische Mittelstürmer erzielte in der vergangenen Saison 30 Pflichtspieltore (darunter 18 in der heimischen Liga) für die Rangers - obwohl er wettbewerbsübergreifend fünf (!) Platzverweise erhielt. Scouts der Eintracht hätten den 23-Jährigen diverse Male beobachtet. Laut des Berichts spekulieren die Schotten auf knapp 22 Millionen Euro Ablöse.

https://www.hessenschau.de/sport/fu...ntracht-sv98--svww,bundesliga-ticker-100.html

No need for a full translation, it is but the usual babble about his 30 goals (18 in the league) and his 5 red cards ...
 
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