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Sad but true.We can't even get people to stay till the end of the game never mind grow fan culture. Some fans see the game as an inconvenience during their all day bender
Sad but true.We can't even get people to stay till the end of the game never mind grow fan culture. Some fans see the game as an inconvenience during their all day bender
Everyone would be fine.Done a mini German tour a few years back and they know how to create an atmosphere.
They certainly look after supporters ,with regional transport free to games.
Alcohol permitted in grounds and trains direct to most grounds.
Was in Bremen train station and there were Bayern Munich ,Bremen ,Hamburg and the odd Leverkusen supporters mingling with no hint of trouble.
Imagine Us ,them ,Aberdeen and Hibs supporters in Queen Street pre match.
I decided to look more into the benefits of being a football fan in Germany, some of my favourites that I wish we could possibly adopt are listed below.
Alcohol permitted in stadiums
In Germany you're able to freely purchase alcohol at a reasonable price within the stadium and a cup of beer equates to around £4 with Borussia Dortmund having the lowest price at £3.70. Since alcohol within football stadiums in Scotland has been banned since the 1980 Scottish Cup Final riot it would make sense to bring it back. It would mean fans are more likely to stay around after the game and clubs would receive increased revenue from catering sales.
Free public transport with a match ticket
If you have a match ticket for a Bundesliga game you are permitted to use public transport such as the bus or train to both home and some away matches across Germany. This is however limited to regional trains only which collaborate with the clubs although it's still something. This is why in Germany it's not uncommon for the likes of Hamburg fans to travel on a Monday night to an away game with over 8,000 fans.
Finally, the fans...
German supporters groups are known to be some of the best in the world whether that be Dortmund's Yellow Wall or Schalke's "Nordkurve" they are known for their tifos (displays) and constant backing of their team. "Ultras" groups in Scotland aren't all that new with Aberdeen being the first to launch the "Red Ultras" in 1999 and Celtic and Rangers fans followed suit. The first "proper" Ultras group is arguably the Union Bears although I'm aware the Blue Order existed before the conception of the Union Bears.
The Blue Order seemed to focus more on a "British" style of support whereas now the Union Bears take inspiration in a lot of their chants from Hamburg in which they have had a strong friendship with the club's lead Ultras "Castaways".
Below are some examples of how well tifos are carried out in Germany and in the past couple of years the Union Bears have continually improved the quality of all the displays within the stadium.
(CLICK ON THE TITLE OF THE VIDEO AND NOT THE PLAY BUTTON FOR IT TO WORK)
This thread was just to highlight how underrated football in Germany is and the whole culture surrounding it. There's a lot that we could learn from the Germans to improve our matchdays.
I am not sure of Germany but the beer served up in stadiums in Holland and I suspect Germany is Festival beer and only 2.5% alcohol. You would need to drink an awful lot to get drunk.Free travel yes.
Booze, no. I don't want to be sitting beside a drunk at the game. No chance men will have 1 or 2.
I am not sure of Germany but the beer served up in stadiums in Holland and I suspect Germany is Festival beer and only 2.5% alcohol. You would need to drink an awful lot to get drunk.
We don't have a healthy drinking culture. It isnt just in a football setting. Whether it's in a pre-covid pub or at home, people in Scotland often drink with the sole purpose of getting drunk. The continental idea of a sociable glass of wine or mug of beer, enjoyed casually and over a period of time, is alien to most Scottish people. That may well change in future generations. Young people now seem to drink less than folk of my generation drank in the 90s and 00s. There's a growing appreciation for craft beer, craft spirits and accepting that in order to enjoy those craft drinks then there's a premium price to be paid which impacts on the volume people can afford to drink. This isnt a football problem. Very few things that are often blamed on football are actually football problems. It's a Scottish society problem.
On the first part of the documentary. Showed footage of them building it etc.Never heard it called that before, did they say that on the documentary or something?
I am not sure of Germany but the beer served up in stadiums in Holland and I suspect Germany is Festival beer and only 2.5% alcohol. You would need to drink an awful lot to get drunk.
It ain’t 2.5% on the whole - pretty sure most are about 4%, thats why I mentioned it being so at Waldhof Mannheim - they can only legally sell it as no higher than 2.5% because of past misdemeanours. You do come across matches though that are light beer only like you say or no beer at all. Pretty sure there was a blanket booze ban in the area for Cologne Gladbach a few season back.
This is the price list from Bundesliga 1 and 2 in recent seasons for a beer and a bratwurst:
Bundesliga - Preisliste 2022/23: Kosten für Stadionwurst und Bier bei den 18 Bundesliga-Klubs
Zum Stadionbesuch gehört für die meisten Fans neben dem Spiel auch die Verpflegung. Dabei gibt es große preisliche Unterschiede bei den Bundesligisten. Am billigsten kommen die Fans von Borussia Dortmund weg. ran gibt einen Überblick.www.ran.de
Die Bier- und Bratwurstpreise der 2. Bundesliga
Es gehört zum Stadionbesuch einfach dazu: das Bier und die Bratwurst. Wie viel Geld in den Stadien der 2. Bundesliga dafür ausgegeben werden muss und wo es im Vergleich besonders günstig und teuer ist, zeigt ein Vergleich des Magazins "Sponsors".www.liga2-online.de
The Rothaus they sell at Karlsruhe is standard Rothaus, although they do sell the lower strength radler style drinks aswell.
Waldhof do have a deservedly bad reputation.
On the first part of the documentary. Showed footage of them building it etc.