Gerrard - Clark didn't want to talk about Boyd sectarian abuse

AyrshireBear72 said:
Not sure if thats true or not but a know boyd wasn’t happy with the lack of support he received from his manager
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And yet he's doing a joint press conference with him today that (regardless of it's intentions) will be used by our enemies for another attack on us.
 
Laudrup1 said:
Then, he too, is part of the problem.

If this is truly bigger than the football itself, theres no reason for Boyd, as a victim should be playing party politics with it at all
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I don't think Boyd has to say anything specific regarding his manager.

I think he has to come out and say he regarded what was being sung at him as sectarian and question why there was no media uproar on the Monday. Whether he actually does that remains to be seen and I personally have my doubts that he will.

I also don't think he will be asked that question by any of the media as by saying he does think it was sectarian would mean it isn't something that lies solely at Rangers door!!
 
Well said Gaffer

He knows the hypocrisy in the SMSM and Clarke ignoring the Boyd sectarian abuse shows Clarke is also part of the problem in society

Clarke ignored it and didn’t condemn it

Clarke’s team getting battered 5-0 and he deflects the result and turns on the full victim card and greeting about sectarian chants against him

As usual the BBC couldn’t wait to get outside Ibrox and Gollum and the subtitles and saying 19th Century Terrorist Bastard twice. You could hear the excitement in his voice.

Stevie G gets the Sad Orange Bastard at the Paedodome in August and not one comment.

He takes the verbal abuse like a man

Clarke is a jakey prick and an embarrassment. He’s definitely being lined up for the gig at St Pats when TTS leaves this year
 
Brilliant statement from Stevie G, calls Clark out for the snake he is while still admitting what happened on Wednesday shouldn't have, especially when Clark sat & had a beer with SG without mentioning it. By having someone of Gerrard's stature highlighting this can only be good for us & ensure its mentioned in the MSM rather than just Clark's rant.

No wonder Boyd & his team mates are raging with Clark, he's made it all about him & not once has stuck up for Boyd. He was pretty quick to stick by Jordan Jones when he had the hassle from his own fans but cant stick up for Boyd.
 
wd1872 said:
Clarke's mask slipped, not only did he expose himself as a bitter poet but also a pathetic excuse for a man manager when you can not even defend your own player but then spit the dummy when something is said towards you.
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He’s actually took the heat of his teams humping brilliantly no one is talking about the game.
 
Clarke has opened a whole can of worms for himself, sections of the media and timmy here.

The double standards and bias is as blatantly obvious as it has ever been.

Our club needs to keep highlighting it as does the likes of Boyd.

Lots of posts on here yesterday saying the same as what Stevie has said and I'm glad he said it.

Keep on at them.
 
From this moment on I’d like Steven Gerrard to tell them I’m here to answer football questions only.The first non football question just stand up and walk out of the press conference.Any future press conferences he is asked non football/ team questions just stand up and walk out.Ive not heard one of these wankers ask rubber face what he thought of the sectarian abuse Boyd took or the wrecking of the stadium or their chanting or offensive flags.Time to stand up to these pricks and their double standards.
 
Stevie talks about thanking Chelsea for taking him out of the West of Scotland sectarian rat race but its obvious you can't take the West of Scotland out of the man. He deemed it responsible for players of his own club to be subjected to vile sectarian abuse condemning folk as "Orange bastards" this was fine for Stevie. As soon as the term "19th Century Terrorist bastard" Is muted, they kick in with the oppressed, victimised, hard done by victim..
Bearded Greenyin barsteward.
 
I see this quote today from Gerrard in the rebel in reply to Clark saying he was offered the job

Gerrard insists he doesn’t have any interest in whether he was second choice or not but said: “If I’m right I can remember an interview when Steve said there was no truth in that so I’m a bit confused on that now.
“Did he get offered it or didn’t he? But to be honest with you I’m not interested.”
 
I fear Boyd is being set up here and the press will just concentrate on Clarke. Don’t think Kris is clever enough to highlight the real issues.
 
Boyd will say nothing, he doesn't want to put the cushy media job in jeopardy

it will all be about us and Boyd will go on about "banter" while everyone has a wee laugh at him being fat
 
I’d be very surprised if Stevie Clarke is genuinely upset ,no it ain’t right and the chants need to stop unfortunately we have some arseholes in our support who have Tourette’s and can’t no matter what shut their mouths and box clever but come on spareness me the guff ,it was only because the team of his took a doing ,he can’t take getting beat and his ego turns ugly ,since the game it’s been full deflection mode,so easy to see ,he’s a horrible loser and a liar
 
Now the accusation is out in the open, the press has to ask Clarke about the double standard

Any less would be cowardice, or bigotry in action
 
Raffles said:
I’m broadly in agreement with you, but there’s a niggling doubt I have with your argument.
We’ve been here before with TBB and the famine song, and when we stopped singing them we continued to be vilified.
Recently we had the fat slug leckie calling the songs played by the DJ pre match the “bigoted mega mix” So that’s the blue sea of Ibrox, Rangers easy ok, four lads had a dream etc. You know, those real nasty hate filled sectarian anthems.
And this is the crux of the matter - as far as these people are concerned simply being a Rangers fan automatically qualifies us all as bigots in their eyes. They absolutely detest us and will continue to vilify and demonise us and our club regardless of what songs we sing or don’t sing.
So with that in mind it’s difficult for me to say that we as a support should moderate our language for fear of offending those that are offended by our very existence.
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I can't argue with any of that.
I love TBB and would insist that we keep it, (rebel blood surely). however, we have lost the battle with the word '19th Century Terrorist', and when we call someone like Clarke a '19th Century Terrorist' I can probably see why we are on shaky ground.
I don't know enough about Clarke's political or cultural allegiances or his opinions about the British State, but I suspect he isn't your typical 'Joe The Bhigot' and if there is evidence he belts out IRA songs in his cups then no one has shown it as a fact.

They will continue to lie about us, they will continue to hate us, we cannot control that.
However, we can control certain aspects of the debate.
We can stop giving them open goals and we can stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
We can be the very best in our behaviour.
We can police ourselves as individuals.

We don't have to compromise on our heritage or our identity.
We can be proud of who we are by singing positively about ourselves.
We have the songs already that espouse our history and our culture in a positive light.

None of this will stop the hatred towards us, but it will eliminate the need for Rangers to have to make statements in the club's defence and it will ensure that Steven Gerrard can approach a press conference from a position of strength.
We as a loyal support owe the club and our manager that.
 
This word of "whataboutery" that Celtic fans and the likes of Tom English are now using to deflect from the major Sectarian problem connected with Celtic is rather embarrassing isn't it?
 
bilkobear said:
I can't argue with any of that.
I love TBB and would insist that we keep it, (rebel blood surely). however, we have lost the battle with the word '19th Century Terrorist', and when we call someone like Clarke a '19th Century Terrorist' I can probably see why we are on shaky ground.
I don't know enough about Clarke's political or cultural allegiances or his opinions about the British State, but I suspect he isn't your typical 'Joe The Bhigot' and if there is evidence he belts out IRA songs in his cups then no one has shown it as a fact.

They will continue to lie about us, they will continue to hate us, we cannot control that.
However, we can control certain aspects of the debate.
We can stop giving them open goals and we can stop shooting ourselves in the foot.
We can be the very best in our behaviour.
We can police ourselves as individuals.

We don't have to compromise on our heritage or our identity.
We can be proud of who we are by singing positively about ourselves.
We have the songs already that espouse our history and our culture in a positive light.

None of this will stop the hatred towards us, but it will eliminate the need for Rangers to have to make statements in the club's defence and it will ensure that Steven Gerrard can approach a press conference from a position of strength.
We as a loyal support owe the club and our manager that.
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As I said earlier, I agree with what you’re saying.
I just suspect that if we do everything you say we should, they will simply deem something else we say as ‘sectarian’ and want that banned too.
Events of the last week have proved beyond any reasonable doubt that we don’t have a level playing field and are held to different standards than everyone else, hence my point that I can’t really see the point of going down the appeasement route.
They don’t want us to stop singing sectarian songs, they want us dead.
How can we possibly achieve parity here?
 
Raffles said:
As I said earlier, I agree with what you’re saying.
I just suspect that if we do everything you say we should, they will simply deem something else we say as ‘sectarian’ and want that banned too.
Events of the last week have proved beyond any reasonable doubt that we don’t have a level playing field and are held to different standards than everyone else, hence my point that I can’t really see the point of going down the appeasement route.
They don’t want us to stop singing sectarian songs, they want us dead.
How can we possibly achieve parity here?
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We are not going to die by removing the word '19th Century Terrorist' from our songs.
They want us dead, but that isn't going to happen, instead, we will continue to change we will continue to become better and we will prosper and grow and always be in their faces.
 
bilkobear said:
We are not going to die by removing the word '19th Century Terrorist' from our songs.
They want us dead, but that isn't going to happen, instead, we will continue to change we will continue to become better and we will prosper and grow and always be in their faces.
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bilkobear said:
We are not going to die by removing the word '19th Century Terrorist' from our songs.
They want us dead, but that isn't going to happen, instead, we will continue to change we will continue to become better and we will prosper and grow and always be in their faces.
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I wasn’t implying we would die from adapting our lyrics (I should have worded it a bit better) and once again, I agree with your points.
I just don’t think that us being the best we can be will stop the SMM from driving the narrative that we’re the only ones who deserve criticism.

Yesterday someone posted that maybe strict liability is the best route to go down and I think it would be - as long as it is applied fairly and evenly to all clubs and encompasses not only sectarianism but racism, homophobia and xenophobia.
When you consider the pish our players and fans put up with at away grounds, that would really put the cat among the pigeons!

I’ll be interested to see what transpires on the back of the Clarke/Boyd press conference today. It’s a chance to set a fresh narrative like the one I’ve detailed above and not just point the finger at us.
Over to you SMM, we know you read our message board so let’s see if any of you have the balls to do the right thing.
 
Raffles said:
I wasn’t implying we would die from adapting our lyrics (I should have worded it a bit better) and once again, I agree with your points.
I just don’t think that us being the best we can be will stop the SMM from driving the narrative that we’re the only ones who deserve criticism.

Yesterday someone posted that maybe strict liability is the best route to go down and I think it would be - as long as it is applied fairly and evenly to all clubs and encompasses not only sectarianism but racism, homophobia and xenophobia.
When you consider the pish our players and fans put up with at away grounds, that would really put the cat among the pigeons!

I’ll be interested to see what transpires on the back of the Clarke/Boyd press conference today. It’s a chance to set a fresh narrative like the one I’ve detailed above and not just point the finger at us.
Over to you SMM, we know you read our message board so let’s see if any of you have the balls to do the right thing.
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We don't need strict liability to police what is, after all, a fairly minor problem.
Of course minor or not it still has to be addressed, but singing songs at football is certainly a minor social issue.

The throwing of objects is by a far a more concerning matter, and strangely enough, the assault on Boyd, itself driven by sectarianism, seems less of a talking point than a song directed at Clarke.

However, the press both love the inflation of this subject because it keeps them relevant to a public who seem more and more able to get by without them and of course social commentators who hate Rangers use this as a weapon to vent their spleen at the club.

If ever a teacup had a storm it is this issue in the minds of the Scottish media.
 
Kings earlier statement gives SG full rein to comment on sectarianism at other clubs.

We may have problems with sectarianism, but we recognise it, condemn it, and are shown to be doing something about it.

Stevie G has shown that no other club has taken steps to eradicate it, only us.

King and SG working in tandem, it's not a coincidence.
 
Willie Mac said:
The MSM in Scotland cant portray Gerrard as some rambling football nobody like they have with previous managers. He's a world footballing icon, he's calling out the double standard that the MSM have created. It should be 100% backed by the club.
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The can and they will.

Indeed he was roundly ridiculed and told he doesn’t know what he was talking about with regards to double standards very soon after he arrived, I’m sure it was after the Sheep game.

Have no doubt the Scottish MSM will not hesitate to rubbish one of the greatest ambassadors that football has had in recent years.

They are a well organised vile & repugnant shower of scum bags.
 
AriseSirWalter said:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—​
Because I was not a socialist.​
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—​
Because I was not a trade unionist.​
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—​
Because I was not a Jew.​
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.​
Martin Niemöller
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First they came for the Protestants, and I did not speak out—​
Because I was not a Protestant.​
Then they came for the Catholics, and I thought... hold ma beer!​
Steve Clarke​
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Normally this whole quote is OTT for me, but I like what you did there at the end...:D:D
 
SG leaving Clarke with nowhere to go in that interview.

Allied to the Dave King statement it's obviously been discussed at club level what approach to take, outing Clarke as a liar and double dealing fantasist.
 
honeycandyapples said:
The only we can stop this, is by spending some serious money on a professional P.R company, and stop using guys like Traynor and co,until this happens SG will have to face this crap week after week.
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Yes, not many of us have that confidence in him HCA.
If we do change, we really need to engage someone who gets the horrible west of Scotland psyche were confronted with, and that person / company need to be pro active rather than the current reactive.
 
bilkobear said:
We don't need strict liability to police what is, after all, a fairly minor problem.
Of course minor or not it still has to be addressed, but singing songs at football is certainly a minor social issue.

The throwing of objects is by a far a more concerning matter, and strangely enough, the assault on Boyd, itself driven by sectarianism, seems less of a talking point than a song directed at Clarke.

However, the press both love the inflation of this subject because it keeps them relevant to a public who seem more and more able to get by without them and of course social commentators who hate Rangers use this as a weapon to vent their spleen at the club.

If ever a teacup had a storm it is this issue in the minds of the Scottish media.
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You’re correct, we don’t need strict liability for people singing songs.
But wouldn’t it be great if we did have it and it was policed as per UEFA guidelines.
The meltdown they would have when they got their weekly fine would be tremendous :))
 
AyrshireBear72 said:
No point getting cheeky with me was only passing on the messages av seen
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I’m not getting cheeky mate, but Clarke didn’t miss anyone and hit the wall with his comments. If indeed Boyd is annoyed, why did he not call it out just like his boss and whilst at it, why didn’t he say that he’s disappointed that it took someone to offend them before it even became a topic for discussion.
 
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