Glasgow politician to meet with Scottish football bosses over Celtic Boys' Club abuse

If they were to do a Man City then the book should be thrown at them, with all sorts of sanctions open to consideration or better still suspend their licence for a considerable length of time.
I'm not sure what can be thrown at them from a football perspective. What one might want to do but what can be done are 2 different things. I live in Manchester and their issues are a total non story now on and off the pitch. Same at Southampton i suspect. We are on a Rangers forum here but is the topic being discussed across the breakfast tables around Scotland? I doubt it. Is there a real political will to go for the kill? No idea. Politicians go for votes when it suits them. I think Tomkins is doing a good thing but he will need media backing to keep his efforts in the public domain. Unfortunately the SNP needs "Celtic" votes so dont expect anything drastic being enforced anytime soon from that direction. Its up to good honest people to keep prodding away at this until something gives
 
It is political dynamite like you say. But let’s look at politics. Homework has to be done. Granted this should all have been done sooner by the party that’s in so called control of Scotland. But they rely on nothing else but votes.
And then we have Humza as a justice secretary. Well let’s look at that more closely imo. I fully understand what your saying and I hope that the inquiry not only brings Celtic to justice but actually ends the SNP government in Scotland.
We all know who knew. We all know who still knows.
And I also understand and agree that a bigger stance should have been taken by the tories in Scotland. I also agree with you about the closely monitoring part of the reply. That’s the same reply I’ve had off Celtic sponsors. Towards the end of her statement like you say she wants a full independent inquiry. That’s the important thing in this. Never stated by any opposition leader so far as far as I know.
Hopefully this is the start. A positive reply and the press will see this.
So to be blunt. Get the snp out of politics. They have proved now they are not fit for purpose when they put votes before child abuse. A path of a republic of Scotland is what they want. With Irish republicanism within their ranks a very dangerous path to to go down. For her reply towards the end of her statement personally tells me that something has been found out otherwise she wouldn’t put her political career on the line.
Because of the snp this has been a slow process. Nobody else’s fault. Again this is only my opinion.

Good post Zander. Agree with you that she seems very clear on the direction needed. And as you say she must feel she has justification for this position.
 
I'm not sure what can be thrown at them from a football perspective. What one might want to do but what can be done are 2 different things. I live in Manchester and their issues are a total non story now on and off the pitch. Same at Southampton i suspect. We are on a Rangers forum here but is the topic being discussed across the breakfast tables around Scotland? I doubt it. Is there a real political will to go for the kill? No idea. Politicians go for votes when it suits them. I think Tomkins is doing a good thing but he will need media backing to keep his efforts in the public domain. Unfortunately the SNP needs "Celtic" votes so dont expect anything drastic being enforced anytime soon from that direction. Its up to good honest people to keep prodding away at this until something gives

Agree Andrew.
 
Hi Bears
Here is my reply to previous post,if I've missed anything please let me know.
Dear Nick,Ruth
Would like to thank you for your prompt and honest reply just as I expected, as you say this has been going on for too long now without any closure for the victims.
However many organisations should be taking the same stand as yourselves such SNP,Labour other political parties, religious organisations Glasgow Councillors,Police Scotland ,spl,sfa and others but seem to be side stepping this evil issue rather than meeting it face on and dealing with it appropriately,I would like to think they would now follow your lead and speak there mind openly and honestly on this and if possible your party inform them of your stance,once again many thanks for your prompt and honest reply.
 
Aside from the reputational damage and no longer being able to talk about their history with any pride, I would be very surprised if there are no punishments that affect them materially.

So I don't see how they can escape unscathed from this.
The sfa is run by Celtic so they will escape punishment ..the sfa are also up to their necks in this .do you honestly think that they will punish themselves.
 
Just received this from Ruth Davidson
Thank you for writing to me with your concerns surrounding historical child abuse within Scottish football.

The reports that have emerged in recent years are extremely distressing, and while it is welcome that Jim Torbett and others have been convicted for their depraved acts, this issue clearly goes wider. Any further allegations of criminality must be swiftly investigated by the police so that further criminal proceedings can be brought where necessary.

The Scottish Football Association’s Chief Executive has apologised to those young people who suffered sexual abuse in football and I think he was right to do so. The Independent Review of Sexual Abuse in Scottish Football commissioned by the SFA found child protection policies at all levels were and still are not fit for purpose. The report has made a number of recommendations to address this and I believe they should be implemented as soon as possible. It is vital that we in Parliament play our part in holding the SFA and other bodies to account on this
Further to this, my colleague Adam Tomkins, MSP for Glasgow, has written to Ian Maxwell, chief executive of the SFA and to Peter Lawwell, chief executive of Celtic FC to seek urgent meetings on this subject. Through a series of criminal trials, we now know something of the scale of the abuse committed by a number of the men associated with Celtic boys’ club. What we do not know is what Celtic FC knew about these offences and when they knew it. These questions must now be independently and fully investigated and, if necessary, a compensation scheme should be established such as that set up earlier this year by Manchester City FC.

It is clear that victims of child abuse in football have been let down, and I very much hope Police Scotland, clubs and the SFA will give them the closure they need and the justice they deserve.

Please be assured the Scottish Conservatives will closely monitor developments on this matter over the coming weeks and months.

Thank you once again for taking the time to contact me.

Yours sincerely,

Ruth Davidson

Rt Hon Ruth Davidson MSP
Leader of the Scottish Conservatives
MSP for Edinburgh Central
Scottish Parliament

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Excellent work mate.
 
I think that it’s almost 100% certain that the bunnet knew. Was it not him who stopped Burns bringing Torbett back in?

Yes undoubtedly B.M. he's another one who knew about the abuse and did the total of he-haw,when he could have contacted the cops,(maybe he did and was told to back off) and set the ball rolling for justice for those young men,the whole thing stinks.
 
Hi Bears
Here is my reply to previous post,if I've missed anything please let me know.
Dear Nick,Ruth
Would like to thank you for your prompt and honest reply just as I expected, as you say this has been going on for to long now without any closure for the victims.
However many organisations should be taking the same stand as yourselves such SNP,Labour other political parties, religious organisations Glasgow Councillors,Police Scotland ,spl,sfa and others but seem to be side stepping this evil issue rather than meeting it face on and dealing with it appropriately,I would like to think they would now follow your lead and speak their mind openly and honestly on this and if possible your party inform them of your stance,once again many thanks for your prompt and honest reply.

Couple of spelling errors amended apart from that well done Tommy.
 
The sfa is run by Celtic so they will escape punishment ..the sfa are also up to their necks in this .do you honestly think that they will punish themselves.

It will be up to us, both the club and supporters to demand it. The rest of the country will just ignore us or tell us to f*ck off.
We need to keep at this until proper justice is done and these bastards are either in the bottom tier or shut down.
 
I'm not sure what can be thrown at them from a football perspective. What one might want to do but what can be done are 2 different things.
Its up to good honest people to keep prodding away at this until something gives

SFA Articles of Association
Obligations and Duties of Members.
1.5 (a) All members shall observe the principles of loyalty, integrity and sportsmanship in accordance with the rules of fair play.
1.5 (f) Shall behave towards the SFA and members with utmost good faith.

94.1 No recognised football club or official under the jurisdiction of the SFA shall bring the game into disrepute.

The sanctions applicable to each of the above, include termination of membership of the SFA.
The club and every board of directors during this time have systematically betrayed the basic principles of Scottish football, and wilfully concealed a criminal conspiracy at the club which enabled a paedophile ring to operate with impunity for 4 or 5 decades, and still to this day resolutely refuse to take the slightest responsibility for their behaviour.
The SFA rules permit them to take action whether or not there are court cases pending or current.
Celtc's silence "due to ongoing legal matters" does not prevent action being take by the SFA.

Judicial Panel Protocol. 8.6.7
"The fact that an alleged party in breach is liable to face or has pending criminal or civil proceedings shall not deter the SFA, its Judicial Panel or its Tribunals from conducting proceedings."

This is becoming a fight for the heart and soul of Scotland.
Edmund Burke's statement has never been more relevant.
 
It will be up to us, both the club and supporters to demand it. The rest of the country will just ignore us or tell us to f*ck off.
We need to keep at this until proper justice is done and these bastards are either in the bottom tier or shut down.
After the lectures we got from Liewell and plenty others in the community about “ In the name of sporting integrity “ we cheated by using EBTs and we were swiftly dealt with by ending up at the bottom of the Scottish league table and they all got the boot in because it was Rangers that were in the firing line , well what is the big hold up now “ in the name of sporting integrity “ to multiple crimes committed to children in the care of CFC which were 100% far more serious than the use of EBTs which were legal at the time ? Have all those Pillars of Society suddenly been struck dumb ? Was the use of EBTs far more serious a crime than the sexual abuse of innocent kids by filthy paedophiles ? Where are headlines condemning this filthy so called sports club ? Where are all the mouth pieces on the football channels who were horrified at the “ cheating Rangers “? who were all blowing their trumpets and getting their boot in to our Club ? They have all gone as quiet as a church mouse when it comes to their beloved bheasts from the East . Well, I think I can speak for every supporter of Rangers FC when I say everyone of us are Extremely Proud of our Club’s History , can you shower of “ Wise Monkeys “ who refuse to see , hear or speak no evil honestly say the same about your club ? Hypocrites each and every one .
 
After the lectures we got from Liewell and plenty others in the community about “ In the name of sporting integrity “ we cheated by using EBTs and we were swiftly dealt with by ending up at the bottom of the Scottish league table and they all got the boot in because it was Rangers that were in the firing line , well what is the big hold up now “ in the name of sporting integrity “ to multiple crimes committed to children in the care of CFC which were 100% far more serious than the use of EBTs which were legal at the time ? Have all those Pillars of Society suddenly been struck dumb ? Was the use of EBTs far more serious a crime than the sexual abuse of innocent kids by filthy paedophiles ? Where are headlines condemning this filthy so called sports club ? Where are all the mouth pieces on the football channels who were horrified at the “ cheating Rangers “? who were all blowing their trumpets and getting their boot in to our Club ? They have all gone as quiet as a church mouse when it comes to their beloved bheasts from the East . Well, I think I can speak for every supporter of Rangers FC when I say everyone of us are Extremely Proud of our Club’s History , can you shower of “ Wise Monkeys “ who refuse to see , hear or speak no evil honestly say the same about your club ? Hypocrites each and every one .
Correct alex. Their day will come.
 
In all this we have to fully understand that Celtic FC are ran by the Irish Mafia. The only way to deal with this is via the Government. A fully Independent enquiry is necessary that is completely apart from The SFA and all other key stakeholders involved. This mob and I mean mob won’t give up their deepest secrets freely.

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep going of course but watch for things going quiet and journos getting cold feet should things hot up.
 
In all this we have to fully understand that Celtic FC are ran by the Irish Mafia. The only way to deal with this is via the Government. A fully Independent enquiry is necessary that is completely apart from The SFA and all other key stakeholders involved. This mob and I mean mob won’t give up their deepest secrets freely.

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep going of course but watch for things going quiet and journos getting cold feet should things hot up.
A few of us on both threads are working tirelessly to bring justice. Frustrating it’s a slow process but that’s down to a corrupt Scottish government that puts votes before child abuse.
The SFA like I’ve said will not launch an inquiry while liewell sits there so they’ll come under the independent inquiry imo. They are also corrupt to the core and will have to be forced to do anything. We won’t give in mate. Not until British justice is served on them.
 
After the lectures we got from Liewell and plenty others in the community about “ In the name of sporting integrity “ we cheated by using EBTs and we were swiftly dealt with by ending up at the bottom of the Scottish league table and they all got the boot in because it was Rangers that were in the firing line , well what is the big hold up now “ in the name of sporting integrity “ to multiple crimes committed to children in the care of CFC which were 100% far more serious than the use of EBTs which were legal at the time ? Have all those Pillars of Society suddenly been struck dumb ? Was the use of EBTs far more serious a crime than the sexual abuse of innocent kids by filthy paedophiles ? Where are headlines condemning this filthy so called sports club ? Where are all the mouth pieces on the football channels who were horrified at the “ cheating Rangers “? who were all blowing their trumpets and getting their boot in to our Club ? They have all gone as quiet as a church mouse when it comes to their beloved bheasts from the East . Well, I think I can speak for every supporter of Rangers FC when I say everyone of us are Extremely Proud of our Club’s History , can you shower of “ Wise Monkeys “ who refuse to see , hear or speak no evil honestly say the same about your club ? Hypocrites each and every one .

Even the newspapers who are actually highlighting these crimes are in effect still protecting them. Because nowhere in either of those two journals is there any moral outrage of what they have done and certainly no articles whatsoever relating to possible sanctions against Celtic.
 
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After the lectures we got from Liewell and plenty others in the community about “ In the name of sporting integrity “ we cheated by using EBTs and we were swiftly dealt with by ending up at the bottom of the Scottish league table and they all got the boot in because it was Rangers that were in the firing line , well what is the big hold up now “ in the name of sporting integrity “ to multiple crimes committed to children in the care of CFC which were 100% far more serious than the use of EBTs which were legal at the time ? Have all those Pillars of Society suddenly been struck dumb ? Was the use of EBTs far more serious a crime than the sexual abuse of innocent kids by filthy paedophiles ? Where are headlines condemning this filthy so called sports club ? Where are all the mouth pieces on the football channels who were horrified at the “ cheating Rangers “? who were all blowing their trumpets and getting their boot in to our Club ? They have all gone as quiet as a church mouse when it comes to their beloved bheasts from the East . Well, I think I can speak for every supporter of Rangers FC when I say everyone of us are Extremely Proud of our Club’s History , can you shower of “ Wise Monkeys “ who refuse to see , hear or speak no evil honestly say the same about your club ? Hypocrites each and every one .

Remember the slogan at the time; 'Think about the kids, all that money that could have been spent on schools, poor weans having to use food banks' etc.

Now they couldn't give two fc_uks about weans.
 
Adam Tomkins should be asking the S.F.A. questions along the following lines

Did the S.F.A./S.F.L./S.P.F.L. know of the abuse at Celtic f.c. and the extent of it?

Celtic have always claimed the boys club was a separate entity yet their directors carried out an investigation in 1986, clearing the abusers and threatening libel, what else have they lied about?

How was Peter Lawell able to hold position within S.F.A. when he was employed by Celtic at the time of Torbett's reign, having been brought back to the club, especially if the S.F.A. knew?

Have Celtic disregarded sporting integrity by covering up over 4 decades of abuse, as a member club has a duty of care to provide a safe environment for youngsters?

Did Celtic gain a sporting advantage as they may not have been able to attract/afford certain players due to morals and sponsorship money over the period of the abuse?

Should honours won over this period be under scrutiny regarding the possible sporting advantage gained?

Why did Fergus McCann change the club name when he appeared on the scene,did he know of the abuse and failed to disclose the information?

Was there N.D.A./payments issued following abuse on a tour of U.S.A. during the 90's?

Is there still abuse happening at Celtic and being covered up? as Peter Lawell recently stated that the club has been carrying out a secret investigation for the past 2 years, whilst during this period still claiming to be a separate entity.

Did Strathclyde police/ Police Scotland know of the abuse, did they carry out any investigation over the 4 decade period?

Do Celtic have records of all boys who played with the boys club since inception?Do they have records of all coaches/staff operating with the club/boys club since inception? Do they have records of complaints made since inception?

These are only a few questions that need answered and it is paramount that a public enquiry takes place to bring closure and recompense to those poor souls who suffered abuse at the hands of reprehensible monsters.

Superb post. Nail. Hammer. Head
 
I recently asked my MP and MSPs (for Labour and Conservative) about an independent enquiry. Still waiting for some responses, but from one the feeling was that this was a new question or one he hadn't been asked before. So although it's big news to us, for many of them it barely registers.

If the main parties start getting requests for this, or to at least ask about it (ask the question at Holyrood etc) from across the country, then it's harder to ignore. It would be good if posters could spend 5 mins asking the questions - it's only a few e-mails. Especially if you live in areas where its less likely to be in the public's attention.
 
I see the Archbishop of Westminster was “focussed too much on the reputation of the church instead of the welfare of children” an inquiry into child sex abuse has found
Cardinal Vincent Nichols is the current leader of the Roman Catholics in England and Wales
This religion is totally out of hand now
From their football club to their cult
They appear to think they are above the law
Does any other body behave with such depravity and disconcern for children
 
McNeill said it was an open secret under oath in court.

It's a matter or record that Ba' face physically booted Torbett out of the scum hut.

I smell a good degree of hedging her bets from Ruth.

Let's not upset yahoos here.
Agree, she should be the leader of the Liberal party with that reply.
 
Remember the slogan at the time; 'Think about the kids, all that money that could have been spent on schools, poor weans having to use food banks' etc.

Now they couldn't give two fc_uks about weans.
Very true wbpb , They slated us about hospitals that could have been built and all the poor kids that could have been helped , funny how their silence is suddenly deafening now :mad: just shows how much the hypocrites really care about kids , their shameful paedo infested club is much more important to them than the suffering of the victims .
 
Even the newspapers who are actually highlighting these crimes are in effect still protecting them. Because nowhere in either of those two journals is there any moral outrage of what they have done and certainly no articles whatsoever relating to possible sanctions against Celtic.
The tide has certainly turned regards the moral outrage they showed regarding Big Bad Rangers , they have become dummies now and the silence is deafening so we must make sure they get what they are due in the name of sporting integrity of course ;) .
 
I see the Archbishop of Westminster was “focussed too much on the reputation of the church instead of the welfare of children” an inquiry into child sex abuse has found
Cardinal Vincent Nichols is the current leader of the Roman Catholics in England and Wales
This religion is totally out of hand now
From their football club to their cult
They appear to think they are above the law
Does any other body behave with such depravity and disconcern for children
No Goggs ! I think the Iron Hand of the Roman Empire still tops the bill for human depravity even in these modern times . I even believe they inhumanely murdered the Son of God so nothing surprises me with that Mafia run religion .
 
Very true wbpb , They slated us about hospitals that could have been built and all the poor kids that could have been helped , funny how their silence is suddenly deafening now :mad: just shows how much the hypocrites really care about kids , their shameful paedo infested club is much more important to them than the suffering of the victims .
Kids could certainly have been helped if they had conducted themselves with any moral integrity instead of focussing on their reputation.


Correction kids WOULD have been helped.
 
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I'm not sure what can be thrown at them from a football perspective. What one might want to do but what can be done are 2 different things. I live in Manchester and their issues are a total non story now on and off the pitch. Same at Southampton i suspect. We are on a Rangers forum here but is the topic being discussed across the breakfast tables around Scotland? I doubt it. Is there a real political will to go for the kill? No idea. Politicians go for votes when it suits them. I think Tomkins is doing a good thing but he will need media backing to keep his efforts in the public domain. Unfortunately the SNP needs "Celtic" votes so dont expect anything drastic being enforced anytime soon from that direction. Its up to good honest people to keep prodding away at this until something gives

This is the reality.

Simply because Man City begun a compensation fund or Penn State have been forced to shell out hundreds of millions of dollars doesn’t necessarily mean these are templates by which similar crimes are punished.

There appears to be little desire from the Scottish establishment to unearth the buried bodies on this thing and I suspect a large part of that is down to the hugely negative image they believe it will paint of our society.

Only once the trials begin in earnest might that change.
 
This is the reality.

Simply because Man City begun a compensation fund or Penn State have been forced to shell out hundreds of millions of dollars doesn’t necessarily mean these are templates by which similar crimes are punished.

There appears to be little desire from the Scottish establishment to unearth the buried bodies on this thing and I suspect a large part of that is down to the hugely negative image they believe it will paint of our society.

Only once the trials begin in earnest might that change.

Again though that would be people putting image and perception ahead of justice. We can't keep failing the victims.
 
In all this we have to fully understand that Celtic FC are ran by the Irish Mafia. The only way to deal with this is via the Government. A fully Independent enquiry is necessary that is completely apart from The SFA and all other key stakeholders involved. This mob and I mean mob won’t give up their deepest secrets freely.

Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep going of course but watch for things going quiet and journos getting cold feet should things hot up.

Westminster, of course, not Holyrood.
 
I feel the same. I’ve been accused of having this view because it’s Celtic. Only a small minded person would think that. This is criminal what they have done and they have covered it up for half a century. I hope the victims families get justice more than anything else. But that club has to be brought to its knees. And the reason I say that is not only the convicted should be punished. The people who knew also need to be brought before the British justice system. Ex serving members who served in Northern Ireland are being brought in front of the courts. We all know what I’m talking about. Especially ex regiment lads. We done nothing but served our country and the queen. But some bastards can stand outside the piggery promoting the IRA and raise money for their so called combatants and our police are powerless? That hurts not only me but a lot of us who’ve served. Maybe I’m going a bit deep. I apologise for that. But when an English ex para turns round to me and says ffs pal. Look what we done and your country let’s them march the streets then I’ve no answer for him. So I will vote conservative now for that reason Grigo. I’ll probably get hammered for this. Not just us paras. But every serving member that served across the water. Hold your head up high. British justice needs to be served on the poison that is in our society. Call it out as they call it. Fck off out our free society if you don’t like it. Child abuse and promoting IRA.
Ok rant over. I’m going to walk away now ;)
I’m voting conservative until the SNP are out. They were the main party up until the mid 60s then they tactically voted, we played along.
 
Again though that would be people putting image and perception ahead of justice. We can't keep failing the victims.

Until court action begins it’s something of a phoney war.

The victims are unlikely to be failed in as much as I believe compensation is inevitable, but some Rangers fans may feel cheated by its scale.

IMO.
 
Adam Tomkins should be asking the S.F.A. questions along the following lines

Did the S.F.A./S.F.L./S.P.F.L. know of the abuse at Celtic f.c. and the extent of it?

Celtic have always claimed the boys club was a separate entity yet their directors carried out an investigation in 1986, clearing the abusers and threatening libel, what else have they lied about?

How was Peter Lawell able to hold position within S.F.A. when he was employed by Celtic at the time of Torbett's reign, having been brought back to the club, especially if the S.F.A. knew?

Have Celtic disregarded sporting integrity by covering up over 4 decades of abuse, as a member club has a duty of care to provide a safe environment for youngsters?

Did Celtic gain a sporting advantage as they may not have been able to attract/afford certain players due to morals and sponsorship money over the period of the abuse?

Should honours won over this period be under scrutiny regarding the possible sporting advantage gained?

Why did Fergus McCann change the club name when he appeared on the scene,did he know of the abuse and failed to disclose the information?

Was there N.D.A./payments issued following abuse on a tour of U.S.A. during the 90's?

Is there still abuse happening at Celtic and being covered up? as Peter Lawell recently stated that the club has been carrying out a secret investigation for the past 2 years, whilst during this period still claiming to be a separate entity.

Did Strathclyde police/ Police Scotland know of the abuse, did they carry out any investigation over the 4 decade period?

Do Celtic have records of all boys who played with the boys club since inception?Do they have records of all coaches/staff operating with the club/boys club since inception? Do they have records of complaints made since inception?

These are only a few questions that need answered and it is paramount that a public enquiry takes place to bring closure and recompense to those poor souls who suffered abuse at the hands of reprehensible monsters.
Great post mate.
 
I’m voting conservative until the SNP are out. They were the main party up until the mid 60s then they tactically voted, we played along.
And then Blair came along and sent us to an unnecessary war that I served in and signed a good Friday agreement as they put it that only benefited a certain element imo. I won’t vote until a political party takes on Irish republicanism. Watching boys from my regiment and not only my regiment that have suffered because of politics is heartbreaking. And then to sign an agreement where they can still carry on what they are doing. Even to this day.
The current Labour Party and your likes of Galloway have sat with Sinn Fein in the past. Certain members wanted to give recognition to the thing they call IRA.And because of votes McDonnell retracted his comments and apologised. No. Fuckin no. I’ll vote when someone stands up and says let’s take on everything that is anti British mate. Not only families in our forces have suffered but families in Northern Ireland have suffered also. They have to be taken on head on.
Boys who have served across the water will know the frustration because of politics due to the rules of engagement.
Ok people it might sound like I’m ranting. But I invite you to meet the people who have suffered. Children with no fathers. I Speak from the heart. Fck politics. It’s hurt a lot of us.
 
Until court action begins it’s something of a phoney war.

The victims are unlikely to be failed in as much as I believe compensation is inevitable, but some Rangers fans may feel cheated by its scale.

IMO.
I do not think Rangers fans will "feel cheated" by any level of compensation for victims.
They may well feel cheated if sporting sanctions do not reflect the the seriousness and number of crimes over a long period of time, and the concealment by successive Celtc directors and officials.
Permanent expulsion from football would be appropriate imo.
 
Was the use of EBTs far more serious a crime than the sexual abuse of innocent kids by filthy paedophiles ?

It is as simple as this.

If they say that the use of EBTs was worse (or the same), they are putting themselves on the level of those who play down child abuse.

If they say that child abuse was worse, then it can only (by their own words) be compared to match-fixing, which really means that they have to be thrown out of top-level football entirely.


If they attempt to make a case that "they are different", then they have to be asked if they think that top players who signed for CFC would have done so if the child abuse had been made public earlier.

Have Larsson and Moravcik and others ever been asked on Twatter about this ?
If they would have been happy to sign for CFC, knowing that the club was riddled with child abusers, plus a boardroom happy to cover up for them ?
 
Celtic can not be compared with clubs in England

Celtic discovered they had Pedos but failed to inform the police
Celtic discovered they had pedos yet hired the very same men into a position to be in contact with children
Celtic conducted a investigation and found no pedos in the 1990’s working for them and no further action to be taken. Who done the investigation and where is the report? Was the SFA/SPL informed?
Celtic claim they have been investigating themselves for the last 2 years ! Who is doing it and what is the qualifications? Have the police been informed? Has the stockmarmrket been informed? Has the SPL SFA been informed?
So many questions yet so little answers.

This is the bit they should be shut down for.
 
Good on him.Victims first for a change.
Writings on the wall for tim McGinnis didn't
The problem Celtic have got at the minute is that Tompkins has the full backing of the Scottish Conservative party on this, and unlike the SNP and Scottish labour PL can't control that or them, he panicked when he came out with the secret investigation nonsense for this very reason.

The SFA will have similar concerns.

I have no doubt Tompkins will not back down on this at all, and the more mistakes they make the worse it will be for them.
I still can’t really get over Lawwell’s letter back to Adam Tomkins last week. Imagine the arrogance and sheer pomposity of using phrases like the “due process of law”, which involves secret insurance company led investigation, to a professor of law? Or braying condescendingly about “misconceptions of liability”, again to a professor of law, who has to point out he has never even mentioned liability.

I think Lawwell has become so used to running rings around the incompetent, sycophantic fools that comprise most of the Scottish press and football authorities that he doesn’t realise how exposed, stupid and arrogant that letter made him and his rotten club look.
 
It is as simple as this.

If they say that the use of EBTs was worse (or the same), they are putting themselves on the level of those who play down child abuse.

If they say that child abuse was worse, then it can only (by their own words) be compared to match-fixing, which really means that they have to be thrown out of top-level football entirely.


If they attempt to make a case that "they are different", then they have to be asked if they think that top players who signed for CFC would have done so if the child abuse had been made public earlier.

Have Larsson and Moravcik and others ever been asked on Twatter about this ?
If they would have been happy to sign for CFC, knowing that the club was riddled with child abusers, plus a boardroom happy to cover up for them ?
They are the club like no other full paedo ..no other clubs like them more like..hail hail lift a shirt tail
 
I do not think Rangers fans will "feel cheated" by any level of compensation for victims.
They may well feel cheated if sporting sanctions do not reflect the the seriousness and number of crimes over a long period of time, and the concealment by successive Celtc directors and officials.
Permanent expulsion from football would be appropriate imo.

Sporting sanctions are unlikely, IMO.

As a result, if compensation claims only total a relatively modest amount, I think a lot of fans will feel aggrieved that they managed to get out of it comparatively unscathed.

I know I will.
 
It is as simple as this.

If they say that the use of EBTs was worse (or the same), they are putting themselves on the level of those who play down child abuse.

If they say that child abuse was worse, then it can only (by their own words) be compared to match-fixing, which really means that they have to be thrown out of top-level football entirely.


If they attempt to make a case that "they are different", then they have to be asked if they think that top players who signed for CFC would have done so if the child abuse had been made public earlier.

Have Larsson and Moravcik and others ever been asked on Twatter about this ?
If they would have been happy to sign for CFC, knowing that the club was riddled with child abusers, plus a boardroom happy to cover up for them ?
Good point skorn , in an honest decent society there can be no way out for them .
 
Sporting sanctions are unlikely, IMO.

As a result, if compensation claims only total a relatively modest amount, I think a lot of fans will feel aggrieved that they managed to get out of it comparatively unscathed.

I know I will.
I think you may be correct mate, it's a long held belief I've had that the system is out to protect them (Snatsis etc) and we are not well enough organised to go on a meaningful attack. Also the dearth of authoritative senior voices supporting the victims is staggering.

One fucking politician. One out of the entire scottish government standing up for the victims of a multitude of inhumane crimes. So sad.
 
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