Good point today - Now looking forward to Thursday

Ponientebear

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Ofcourse there is a positive, we played poorly and managed to salvage a point.

In what way did we bottle it?

Who bottle it, the manager? The players?
Are you really that thick?
No in fact, you really don’t need to answer that.
 
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IndianaRanger

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A good point against second bottom hearts who haven’t won at home since March with us bottling top spot after just getting it. Don’t think so.
 

Danger Zone

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Sanity in a sea of over privileged Queens

Well said pal
Haven’t won a a single trophy since returning to the top flight, haven’t participated in one cup final, countless embarrassing pumpings off the scum who are on 8 and a row with a treble treble.

Aye mate, we’re over privileged alright, I’ve loved every minute of the last few years. Forgive us for not getting the knobs out for a point against one of the worst sides in the league when 3 points could have taken us top again. It’s like I said, while there is undoubtedly a lot of over the top negativity, there’s an equal amount of delusion and turd polishing.
 
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govwalker

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Looking forward to Porto?? Jesus after that performance yesterday we'll be in for a long night over there. Think I'll now plan to get absolutely blootered over there as we play again like that we'll be on the end of a tanking.

There's plenty of good points on here regarding Championship winning Rangers teams struggling at Tynecastle. But the fact just now the Hearts are fcked with injuries and yet again when we get in a position of leading a league table we bottled it. History repeating from last year. Our games up to Xmas are horrific from the amount of Away matches we have. Sadly we've not been able to win 5/6/7 games away from Home in a decade in the top league. This period is gonna make or break or season.

On a positive note onwards to Porto for this Bear on Wednesday. Superbok Loyal.
 

Hawftimepie

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Talk about polishing a turd.

That was out of order today.

If we want to be champions, it's games like that we need to be winning.

We have had some nice results this season, but we have also rode our luck more than we should need to. St Mirren, Kilmarnock and Livingston spring to mind.we need to get a champions mentality and brush this shite aside.
 

LetsGo

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By no stretch of the imagination is the team who 'were' top of the league drawing with the team second bottom who hadn't won at home since March or some shit "a good point" my friend.
@Loud and proud - please tell me where I said it was a good point.

Even through 9IAR we dropped points in winnable games with mistakes - Dundee United away was always one for it. I can remember own goals from Butcher, Gough and Stevens at Tannadice.

All I'm saying is that while nobody should be pleased with the result, the fact remains that we're still in all 4 competitions and it isn't time for the panic or worry. Yet :eek:
 

Danger Zone

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This thread more than any is proof that the last 7 or so years has reconfigured/rewired the minds of many of our fans whereby they now think shite like today and generally mediocrity is acceptable.

“A good point”. Embarrassing shite. A team second from bottom, on a horrendous run of form and we created next to nothing against them in a match where a win would have taken us top again, given ourselves and the support added belief whilst also putting more pressure on Celtic, and yet we’re supposed to sit here and be content with that pish today?

Hearts didn’t even play well, they merely pressed hard and fought and because we once again sleep walked out way into a match they managed to get an advantage. But if that’s a good point then we’re in trouble.
 

OohAhHuistra

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I will admit, I was one of the worst for many years in terms of reactions to Rangers dropping points.

I am finally at stage in my life where I feel I am balanced and experienced enough to look at things logically. A league campaign is 38 games. We cannot play worse than we did today having failed to create anything at all. There will be more poor performances in what is a long campaign. We met a hungrier, sharper team on the day but we have still taken as much from the game as they have. That is a KEY component to title winning sides. Losses becoming draws and Draws becoming wins. We have shown an ability to do that already this season. We have also shown our "Good" to be extremely good.
A league championship takes all kinds of results amd performances. That today, based on the game, has to be taken as a good point away from home.

Now lets look forward to Thursday and embrace the challenge.
Good post
 

Danger Zone

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How did they get on at Livingston a couple of weeks ago?

Most away games are going to be a battle / banana skin for both teams. Plenty more twists and turns to come.
That’s what people said last season mate, and in the end they strolled it, and that was with us being within touching distance of them in January. I’m not saying we won’t do it this season, but I’ve no idea why some fail to see why results like today are a huge concern, because it’s part of a recurring theme and a trend that if it continues, will see them win the league with relative ease again.
 

LetsGo

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That’s what people said last season mate, and in the end they strolled it, and that was with us being within touching distance of them in January. I’m not saying we won’t do it this season, but I’ve no idea why some fail to see why results like today are a huge concern, because it’s part of a recurring theme and a trend that if it continues, will see them win the league with relative ease again.
We'd have crumpled in a match like that under Pedro or Warburton. We're on course for 92 points this season at the current rate - they won the league with 87 last year.

Given that we're only second to them by a goal and they've beaten us we've obviously got a better record in matches against other teams. If we beat them twice/don't lose and keep up our form against the rest we will be in front come the split.
 

Gallant_Few

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It's probably more the fact how we gifted them their goal. OP makes a very good point and I am inclined to agree but their goal sticks in my throat. Those mistakes should not be happening from a Rangers player, especially not a Rangers captain.
 

Banquo

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OP says "We met a hungrier, sharper team on the day "

That doesnt wash with me. How can a team be hungrier than a side chasing their first title in years? If they were 'hungrier', then questions need to be asked.
 

Brick_Top

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Folk keep saying that they were hungrier and more up for it.

Well the thought of a piss poor Hearts team surrounded by negativity being hungrier and more up for it than a Rangers side needing a win to go top is absolutely fûcking depressing in all honesty and is surely just as big a concern as the awful performance.

Mentality is key to winning silverware and yet again several of our players were shown up to be mental weaklings.
 

NoSurrenderDavieWeir

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We conceded top spot against a relegation form team. The only scenario can ever imagining that being a good point is being down to 10 men etc
 

Arkanoid

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I had the same reaction after the Young Boys game and we bounced back to hump Accies 5-0 and go top of the league. If that's the worst we will start a game and still get a point away at Tynecastle then my glass is half full
 

norm1890

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I am sure that I am not the only one who feels my glass equally half full and half empty after the weekend.

Lessons to be learned by the management and players and I think they will.
 

xd182

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I agree with the OP that it'll be neck and neck all season whether we like it or not.

Not a fan of the posts saying how some of us accept mediocrity nowadays, when we're just being realistic. We don't have Laudrup, Gazza, Gough, Cooper, etc. any more. The team we have won't win the league at a canter and even if we set ourselves sky-high expectations, it'll just be more painful when we crash back down to reality.

There's a long way to go and we need to get behind the team. If that means spouting a load of rubbish on a forum after a defeat, that's fine. As long as we're not abusing people like Tav from the kick off at our next home game. Because I'm sure that'll just become a detriment to the team.
 

Commentator

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I am sure that I am not the only one who feels my glass equally half full and half empty after the weekend.

Lessons to be learned by the management and players and I think they will.
Based on what? The manager continues to demonstrate that he has favourites, he picks players who regularly let him down and waits too long to correct that.
If he doesn't start to make hard decisions those players will not change and that'll see him fail.
 

wilso10

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Nah, not having it, it's only October and this squad lacks bottle and mentality...




Well, according to the FF aficionados.
 

babaji

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I said earlier on the match thread, thank god none of us on here are on our coaching staff, the panic after we go down a goal we would never win another game, Getting a draw against a Hearts team who were at home and upfor it, is not the worst result, we were poor but sometimes you have got to credit the other team for making us look poor, maybe a bit cliched, but we would have lost that game last season. Oh and our captain needs a rest!!!!!
As i said in a previous post there's absolutely no evidence we would have lost this game last season. We haven't lost v hearts since feb 2017

Too many people bending over backwards to justify a performance like yesterday's just because SG is the manager.
 

RFC4ME

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If ever there was a thread showing how standards have hit rock bottom with some of our support then there you have it.
See if you want to spout this 55 shyte then you have to beat utter pish like Hearts.
Far too many in acceptance of mediocrity.

What the %^*& does this even mean.

There never, ever, hasn't been a time when a draw at Tynecastle in the context of a season hasn't been seen as a decent point.

No Rangers team in recent memory has simply started a season and pissed their way through the year.

"Standards"

Should ban that word from here, it is white noise pish.
 

Arkanoid

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Based on what? The manager continues to demonstrate that he has favourites, he picks players who regularly let him down and waits too long to correct that.
If he doesn't start to make hard decisions those players will not change and that'll see him fail.
The market we shop in, it would cost well over £10m to replace both Tav and Goldson and cover an injured Jack. At present the back ups of Kamara, Helander and Polster don't fill anyone with excitement. I'm sure we all remember Numan going through a torrid time in his last season, absolutey woeful at times with a horrendous o.g Vs HIVs springs to mind. Even the best go thru bad patches is my point, unfortunately for us we don't have Champions League money to bomb out under performers
 

Barryhopez

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And we never dropped any points at Tynecastle, shambolic today, I do not take any pleasure from this, we need a proper captain, a man who does not shirk from his responsibilities, Tavernier is very unlikely to be that man sadly, he never steps up to the mark when the chips are down, all evidence points to the exact opposite.
Can you give examples?
 

Commentator

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The market we shop in, it would cost well over £10m to replace both Tav and Goldson and cover an injured Jack. At present the back ups of Kamara, Helander and Polster don't fill anyone with excitement. I'm sure we all remember Numan going through a torrid time in his last season, absolutey woeful at times with a horrendous o.g Vs HIVs springs to mind. Even the best go thru bad patches is my point, unfortunately for us we don't have Champions League money to bomb out under performers
I don't think Goldson's a problem, I think he has half his mind on covering for Tav.
Nor do I have an issue with Kamara or Helander and I think Polster has to be given a chance.
I'd like to see how big George would do as cover for Ryan Jack. He looks mobile enough, he's fast, good with the ball maybe with Davis alongside him he could do a job in there.
The basic thing is certain players are trusted when it's demonstrably not deserved. The manager is paid to take tough decisions, he needs to start with his captain.
 

Skippy

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Can you give examples?
Chips were down against Berne, the exact opposite of stepping up to the mark, Sunday are obvious examples, Parheid last season, sold the jerseys again, just off the top of my head, he has done some good stuff for us too, but I don't want my defenders continually costing us goals and I want my captain to inspire the team, I just don't see that with Taverneir, this is not a knee jerk reaction, I have always felt like this since he was given the arm band, would be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong.
 

Barryhopez

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Chips were down against Berne, the exact opposite of stepping up to the mark, Sunday are obvious examples, Parheid last season, sold the jerseys again, just off the top of my head, he has done some good stuff for us too, but I don't want my defenders continually costing us goals and I want my captain to inspire the team, I just don't see that with Taverneir, this is not a knee jerk reaction, I have always felt like this since he was given the arm band, would be absolutely delighted to be proven wrong.
So forget stepping up to the plate, taking and scoring any late penalties and any where we were a goal behind(?) Missing one, then taking the next......you don't reckon that's stepping up?

He's a right back, he's not a playmaker and will never really take a game by the neck and control it. But then neither do the current en vogue captain suggestions either.

You acknowledge his positives fleetingly but would rather focus on negatives which is interesting.

Let's face it, some people are not happy as he's not screaming his head off at everyone, which is a fairly dying 'need' trait symptomatic of the Scottish game which people profess to hate..
 

Skippy

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So forget stepping up to the plate, taking and scoring any late penalties and any where we were a goal behind(?) Missing one, then taking the next......you don't reckon that's stepping up?

He's a right back, he's not a playmaker and will never really take a game by the neck and control it. But then neither do the current en vogue captain suggestions either.

You acknowledge his positives fleetingly but would rather focus on negatives which is interesting.

Let's face it, some people are not happy as he's not screaming his head off at everyone, which is a fairly dying 'need' trait symptomatic of the Scottish game which people profess to hate..
I acknowledge he has positives, but scoring does take a lot of bottle yes, but I would also be happy if someone else was taking the penalties, ultimately all pro footballers should score penalties but plenty are missed, taking and scoring a penalty is not for me stepping up to the mark unless undet exceptional circumstances e.g. Fernando at Tynecastle. My opinion is that Tav needs to concentrate on doing his job at full back, the captain's arm band does not help him do that unfortunately. You seem to think I am happy he is making the mistakes, far from it, and I would be more than delighted to be wrong and see him lift numerous trophies as our captain, but ultimately all I care about is what is best for Rangers.
 

grandmaster_gaz

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i would play a second string team on thursday and strongest 11 on Sunday to put things right..

I know we need the money etc but Europa is just a distraction from the league
 

Bishybear30

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I genuinely believe half of the bears on here won’t be old enough to remember us winning titles. Games like that happened every season, even during 9iar.
Let’s go again bears and start another run of good results... starting with a wee draw on Thursday to lift the spirits.
 
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