Yes, it's in the printed edition. Four full pages.Anyone have today’s Guardian printed edition and confirm the article Is included ?
also I’m not seeing it linked to the Guardian news / sport / football pages which would help the story’s circulation as I would say Henry McDonald has done a good job of promoting the drive for Justice against the prevailing system
Justice will never be enough for what they have been through. As children we are taught about the importance of being truthful with our actions and the consequences of those actions. They have absolutely zero morality, decorum and class.I have still to meet a Celtic fan who will acknowledge that their club knowingly protected paedophiles.Maybe I move in small circles and only know a few but the only response I ever get is deflect and deny
Agreed though,I lost it a wee bit at reading Andrew Grays last words on his deathbed.I hope these victims finally get the justice they deserve and any institution that protects paedophiles needs to be shut down
Mention it to any Tim and they'll reply with Neely and Chalmers. Ask them if they want a full indepth inquiry into football abuse in Scotland, to include who knew and failed to act to protect the children and they go silent
Absolutely and the fact that their cover up Enabled other boys to be abused.Any club can have a peadophile working for them but its what you do when you find out that is the disgusting part. To hide it is to accept it. Unfortunately Celtic are a club who like their church have decided that the good word of the club is more important than justice. I sincerely hope Celtic are punished massively for this but I have a feeling they will win
Those poor boys, it's absolutely heartbreaking and to hear of the recent social media and real life abuse and blanking of people standing up for justice really exposes the Celtic family for what they really are.
My main thoughts are always with the victims, I don't really care so much what happens to them from a footballing perspective but when a large institution has actively covered up such awful crimes then that institution should cease to exist.
If the court determines the parent club as having known what was happening and did nothing for the express reason of protecting the club's reputation then every single trophy they have won since 1978 is fraudulent. Had the allegations come to light the club's reputation would have suffered and its entirely likely they'd have ended up like Third Lanark. They would absolutely have not survived the 90s.
My direct hope is for the club to accept their responsibility, admit to the world that they knew what was going on and provide huge compensation for the families whilst acknowledging it won't make it right. Following on from that, I hope their club is ground into the filthy dirt from whence it came.
I've politely challenged their fans in the past to acknowledge the club's responsibility and asked if they would consider boycotting the club in pursuit of justice (since they care so much about justice). Unfortunately they don't care one bit. They're a huge part of the problem.
This may be a bit far out of an opinion but I believe that every single person who puts on one of their tops or defends the club is completely culpable. You can't talk about the systematic oppression of the Palestinian people or take the knee (both things I support) and ignore possibly the biggest scandal in Scottish history. Not sporting history, but history full stop. No other institution in the country has had the decades long protection of a society despite being so overwhelmingly guilty. It's not just the club who should hang their heads, every journalist and politican who protected them should be ashamed and held to account.
I believe a newspaper made some sort of comment and they've latched onto itThe gentleman you mentioned, John Chalmers, is the last refuge that sums up the scum they truly are.
That man was never involved in such behaviour.
Yes, it's in the printed edition. Four full pages.
Half page photo of the inside of Celtic Park. Photo of Torbett. Photo of Torbett and boys in a home setting. Another adult seems to be in it ( face blurred). Photo of Michelle Gray and her brother, Andy.
No adverts to take up space.
I believe a newspaper made some sort of comment and they've latched onto it
If we are talking about the same person, as in JC, it is, as you say, a disgrace.He was my school teacher & he took our school team.
Absolutely inaccurate & scandalous slur on a good human being who is not now here to answer for himself.
Another poster on here ( Forget who, sorry ) said the exact same about his next school after mine.
These people are A DISGRACE doing this to the memory of an innocent man.
We don’t work like that. Integrity & credibility are paramount to every member in our team.
If we are talking about the same person, as in JC, it is, as you say, a disgrace.
Wasn’t the scene they were trying to suppress...it was the increasing wave of parents knocking on their door.Did a lot more than hide it too. Brazen enablers.
If someone brought you a story of abuse and your " investigation" found "nothing" would you not keep an eye on the scene for further checks?
Grim. Cairney name omitted. Must be for legal reasons.
Its a start.
Grigo, they knowingly reintroduced it, let that sink in.Exactly Jim.
They did a lot more than ignore it.
Grigo, they knowingly reintroduced it, let that sink in.
I just think the whole rancid club should be sued into oblivion and shut down.This is a very moving article, it's hard to read without being angry at CFC but what makes it a powerful piece is its focus on the victims. I hope the lads and their families get justice likewise I believe the entire executive board currently running CFC should be removed and a new leadership team brought in who can atone for what has happened. I never use these horrendous events as banter with celtic fans it's too serious, if the subject comes up I try to diplomatically persuade them that their club has a duty to do the right thing. To date I have had zero success.
Oh they can. They just won’t. Their image is too important to them. But they can’t stop the toxification of their brand. It‘s over bhoys. You will answer for your crimes.That’s a hard read and still they can’t do the right thing.
I have still to meet a Celtic fan who will acknowledge that their club knowingly protected paedophiles.Maybe I move in small circles and only know a few but the only response I ever get is deflect and deny
Agreed though,I lost it a wee bit at reading Andrew Grays last words on his deathbed.I hope these victims finally get the justice they deserve and any institution that protects paedophiles needs to be shut down
Spot on there mate bought the times last night watched the evening news and not a peep about it , what is it with the journalists here are the scared to share the truth personally find it disgusting .Guaranteed that you will still hear nothing from the Scottish media until it goes to court, and can no longer be ignored.
That's because they are placemenWhat an absolutely damning indictment of that horible club.
Hopefully they are sued into financial oblivion and permanently expelled from Scottish football.
Every single person associated with that club, from the boardroom and players to the fans, must now know clearly the behaviour that took place there over decades.
Unbelievably not one of them care.
Still those buffoons Doncaster and Maxwell sit on their hands and say and do nothing.
Mike Graham..talksport??A tough read, will be interesting to see who else runs this.
A harrowing read. No surprise to see Kelly and McGinn's names in there either.
McGinn's denial is disgusting given his role at The Celtic View in 1986.
I hope those responsible for the failure to protect children have action taken against them before they die as they're getting very old now.
I firmly believe a now deceased ex-Celtic manager and defender of at least one of the abusers has escaped already from answering questions.
Mike Graham absolutely buried them!Mike Graham..talksport??
Maybe Spotlight/ A Goldberg could " run things " by him.
If he kept mentioning bits/bobs on his show...keeps the scum in " public eye "???
Just a wee thought