H&H scout report on Monaco whilst Clement was manager

I know this will sound a bit simplistic
- but I firmly believe that one of the ways to counter & breakdown a 10 man hammer-throwing defence is to be in their faces & constantly hassle them in their own half

Our slow buildup allows them to remain in position & hold formation - whereas if we're running off the ball into dangerous areas their set-up easily becomes more stretched
Of course it helps if we don't have players who persistently wander off-side
- & we need to tackle / intercept more than we have done recently

But I honestly believe that a battling approach is preferable & more likely to be successful if we take the game to them & storm into their penalty area - rather than play clever intricate passes on the half way line

I'm not suggesting all out attack at all times - I am suggesting offensive play but holding a much higher line than we've been doing
We also need a defence we can trust to cover for break-aways

But the more activity in the opponents half of the pitch & especially in their penalty area - the more chance of forcing them into errors & fouls & the more chance of unsettling them
Standing off them not only doesn't work it plays into their hands IMO
 
Bluetill said:
We need to get a grip on the negatively
Couldn't wait to get rid of Gio,Couldn't wait to bump Beale out the door,now some are doubting the new guy,Ffs let's get right behind him he hasn't picked a team or played a game yet,plus no matter what's said on here Bisgrove has already said he's going to be given time which he's probably going to need given the mess we're in.Bit of encouragement mabey.
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Some seem happier when we are failing than winning.
 
Maestro72 said:
Not sure if anything’s been written about this already but I just listened to this interview with a French football writer on Ligue 1.

The French writer commented on Clements struggle to breakdown a low block. Once teams stopped playing out from the back and sat deep Monaco started to run out of ideas.

I must admit this a little disappointing. Maybe most managers have at some point struggled with a low block but this is our bread and butter and has been part of the undoing of the previous two managers.

I just hope he’s learned from that spell because he’ll be faced with that 80% of games here. We need a a manager to blow this type of tactic away every week.
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Prophetic …
 
Sobering reading. You do wonder how much scouting reports, or an independent assessment of a manager/coach is a part of the recruitment process.

You can make an argument that using 3 forward players to rotate and cause havoc with even the most disciplined of backlines could create space for attacking midfielders (the infamous 2 x Number 10s) to take advantage of the space and attack into it.
While we seem to have tinkered with that formation (more under Beale) we haven’t used that approach.

Play at pace, with tempo and be constantly challenging a packed defence to get them to move into places they shouldn’t be - then be ready to attack that space.
Surely that’s a way of combatting the dreaded “low block”?
 
ICA_86 said:
Clement lost a lot of big players at Monaco keep in mind, I do think it goes under the radar a wee bit.
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He had a substantially better standard of player and significantly more to spend than he has here.

The worry is that the traits we were warned about, by Monaco fans and French football journos, are being played out before our eyes week in, week out.
 
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
 
Every manager appointment is a risk. Clement also one two league titles in Belgium with teams not expected to win titles.

Replacing him is fine if we are sure we have what it takes to wrap around and support a new manager in place and working.

We don’t have that yet. Successful teams don’t change manager every season. The fact we are in this place season after season tells us it isn’t the manager that is wrong but everything behind him that has failed.

Until we fix that we fix nothing.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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Two accurate passes and you're bearing down on our CH's when Raskin isn't in the side.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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That was just last night, not even a quarter %, Dundee near managed the same shots

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It all looks to be spot on. I never understand posters who want to put their fingers in their ears and not look at potential downfalls.

The important part for me was the part about not being able to rally his team after disappointing results.

How many times have we seen bad results in batches of 2's, and 3's.

Maybe the club should use contacts at H&H for due diligence.
 
sammy1872 said:
Maybe we should listen to other fans more often

Fyernooord fans sussed gio
Monaco fans sussed Clement
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We're not getting a manger at a club who are happy with them.

We're going to have to pick someone up who has some set of fans who weren't happy with them for some reason.
 
I guess whatever manager we ever appoint is going to be a risk. This wasnt a bad appointment, but it hasnt worked
 
sammy1872 said:
Maybe we should listen to other fans more often

Fyernooord fans sussed gio
Monaco fans sussed Clement
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We had our fans saying Igamane was never going to make it, Gerrard should have been sacked before we won the league, Beale should have been made manager before we got Gio etc. Fans can be right about players/ manages/ teams but they can also be miles off it. Man U fans will tell you how bad Moyes is as a manager, but I’m sure 90% of Rangers fans would want him in right now
 
This is the way said:
We had our fans saying Igamane was never going to make it, Gerrard should have been sacked before we won the league, Beale should have been made manager before we got Gio etc. Fans can be right about players/ manages/ teams but they can also be miles off it. Man U fans will tell you how bad Moyes is as a manager, but I’m sure 90% of Rangers fans would want him in right now
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I’m pretty sure 90% of the Rangers support don’t want a former Celtic player as our manager.

Our standards are plummeting as it is, let’s not nuke them entirely.

And before someone says, “we’ve signed former Celtic players before”, a manager is different. He’s the figurehead, the focal point of the playing staff.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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There are so many issues.

Lack of tactical ability to beat the low block, general shape of the team, team selection, substitutions, injuries, project players, etc.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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The goal Dundee got chopped off they passed the ball the length of the pitch unchallenged.
 
Dado_Prso_9 said:
Fans on here who dared to mention both at the time received abuse and ridicule in equal measure.
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There's a section on here where, if you are not positive about everything, will go into a complete meltdown.

There was another pod on H&H one summer from a Dutch football expert where he said he was basically flabbergasted that we had signed Danilo, Dessers and Lammers.

He was basically called a tim on here and anyone else questioning it was a tim or a panty wetter.

The fella who gave the lowdown on Clement was also spot on.
 
Dado_Prso_9 said:
I’m pretty sure 90% of the Rangers support don’t want a former Celtic player as our manager.

Our standards are plummeting as it is, let’s not nuke them entirely.

And before someone says, “we’ve signed former Celtic players before”, a manager is different. He’s the figurehead, the focal point of the playing staff.
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Who do you want as manager mate? I take your point re Moyes
 
sammy1872 said:
Maybe we should listen to other fans more often

Fyernooord fans sussed gio
Monaco fans sussed Clement
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Appreciate the point, but not always true either. QPR fans raved about Beale until he left. Arsenal fans mocked Emery and look where he is at now. Mourinho was worshipped at Chelsea, but could fix a broken Man utd. Reality is that fans only see the tip of the iceberg and if a club isn't right behind the scenes, it won't be on the pitch

Also through his tactical mastery GVB dragged a squad of players to a Europa league final, and was let down by Kent fluffing his lines in ET and Ramsay's shite penalty. Then got us to Champions league the following year and got given fk all to spend on improvements. Board did him very dirty and fans need to give him more respect than he gets
 
What's a low block. I get baffled by the new phrases for teams defended deep etc. It's just nonsense talk to cover up inadequacy and make it sound tactical.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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Agreed. We had conceded about 7 shots with 81% possession after about 15 minutes last night, which is madness
 
BSPECIAL said:
What's a low block. I get baffled by the new phrases for teams defended deep etc. It's just nonsense talk to cover up inadequacy and make it sound tactical.
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Apparently Dundee and every other team cutting us open is a low block.

Like remember in the 3-3 Hibs game where they had a defensive line on the halfway line in the 90th min? Low block...
 
I always wondered how it came down to Clement and Muscat as the last two candidates when they have completely different styles of play. You can even chuck Lampard into the mix.

Did we even have a preferred style we wanted or was it your face fits, you're hired ?
 
Hipster Dashie said:
Every manager appointment is a risk. Clement also one two league titles in Belgium with teams not expected to win titles.

Replacing him is fine if we are sure we have what it takes to wrap around and support a new manager in place and working.

We don’t have that yet. Successful teams don’t change manager every season. The fact we are in this place season after season tells us it isn’t the manager that is wrong but everything behind him that has failed.

Until we fix that we fix nothing.
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Or we could just have hired 3 duff managers in a row. Beale went to Sunderland and got his jotters fairly quickly. Gio got the tin tack from Besiktas.

Did Monaco have what it takes to wrap around a new manager or is PC just a dumpling?

Sometimes it's the simple answer, with the evidence you see on the pitch game after game.
 
EIAFF said:
We're not getting a manger at a club who are happy with them.

We're going to have to pick someone up who has some set of fans who weren't happy with them for some reason.
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Short of us taking a punt on a small-club manager, who couldn't say no to Rangers, which obviously carries it's own massive risks!

We appointed Clement based on his achievements (before things turned) and what we thought was a no-nonsense personality.

If, as in Belgium, he won us a few titles/cups before things turned, it would have been worthwhile, but all we've managed is a solitary League Cup - admittedly with a "refereeing handicap" in last season's Scottish Cup and this season's League Cup. But we've significantly regressed as far as title challenges go - never really recovered from whatever happened in the aftermath of the 3-3 draw with Celtic last season...

From "no nonsense" , Clement just seems "nonsense" now - whether we're talking team selections, substitutions or post-match comments.
 
Paisleybear30 said:
I don't think the low block thing is our biggest issue.

The fact that we are so easy to play through is. Every team in this league seems capable of causing us problems as it takes little effort to get at our back line.

We struggled with low blocks under Gerrard and Gio but largely retained an element of control in games. I've not seen stats but I'd be amazed if they didn't show that we concede far more chances under Clement
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Everytime Dundee broke last night they looked like they could score.
 
PeteGibbons said:
There's a section on here where, if you are not positive about everything, will go into a complete meltdown.

There was another pod on H&H one summer from a Dutch football expert where he said he was basically flabbergasted that we had signed Danilo, Dessers and Lammers.

He was basically called a tim on here and anyone else questioning it was a tim or a panty wetter.

The fella who gave the lowdown on Clement was also spot on.
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Remember the reaction to anyone showing a hint of worry after our dreadful pre season. “It’s only friendlies ya party wetter”
 
SDF said:
I always wondered how it came down to Clement and Muscat as the last two candidates when they have completely different styles of play. You can even chuck Lampard into the mix.

Did we even have a preferred style we wanted or was it your face fits, you're hired ?
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I doubt our board even have a clue about styles of play. They will look for someone who is available and monitor the fans opinions as we seen with Lampard.
 
Beale, Gio and now Phil have all struggled against a deeper block played away from home.

The reason why Gerrard didn't was because the team was far more athletic and powerful than other teams. They could bully teams, and run all over them rather than play in front.

PCs record of struggling against low blocks is interesting but until we recruit players who have more power, I think most managers will struggle.
 
punksnotdead said:
Or we could just have hired 3 duff managers in a row. Beale went to Sunderland and got his jotters fairly quickly. Gio got the tin tack from Besiktas.

Did Monaco have what it takes to wrap around a new manager or is PC just a dumpling?

Sometimes it's the simple answer, with the evidence you see on the pitch game after game.
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So if we hired 3 duff managers in a row why do you think we won’t hire a fourth one?

That is my point. Something more fundamental is wrong with the way we are being run. Every change of manager costs us money that could be better spent on playing squad.
 
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