Hagi official - Announcement Rangers

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Disagree on two counts here. You don’t need two destroyers for the majority of games in this league. All-rounders possibly, but they still need to be able to take the ball from the defence and link it to the front ‘four’ - hopefully a four if Gerrard plays Hagi as a ten. The two need to have an engine though, that’s why I’m still not sure about letting Docherty go as he could do a job (IMO) as a backup for one of those positions.

And as much as I’ll criticise Kamara at times, he certainly doesn’t hide. The opposite is true, he’s too laid back at times and thinks he has time for five touches when he barely has time for one.


You don't need 2 destroyers, but you do need 2 disciplined, possession retaining midfielders to protect our attacking full backs, supply our more forward players and keep control of the game.

Docherty certainly couldn't play that role close to the level of Kamara, Davis or Jack.

2 out of those 3 must play, if we are to use the
4-2-3-1 formation.
 
3 million is insane value especially when its 1 million a year. Lewis Ferguson I'd value at 1 million less than hagi just let that sink in. For the money quoted it trust Wilson to find a far better player than Ferguson if we're strengthening that position. The guy clearly knows what he's doing his first full summer transfer window will be interesting when ever that is
 
From the Reddit thread , it appears to be a large sell on fee is part of the hold up . Anyone got info on this ? Can't wait for the announcement. Brilliant signing.
 
If those figures are correct I can only think Genk have opted for a larger % of sell on value. Great deal minimises our initial upfront investment.
 
From the Reddit thread , it appears to be a large sell on fee is part of the hold up . Anyone got info on this ? Can't wait for the announcement. Brilliant signing.
I think the deal is already signed . No way have genk put that on their web page without the deal being signed. They've probably been asked by rangers to take the post down, so we can announce it on our media first.
 
If those figures are correct I can only think Genk have opted for a larger % of sell on value. Great deal minimises our initial upfront investment.
If I remember right there was talk that Genk got a new manager that didn’t rate him/couldn’t fit him into his system. If that’s the case, they might be happy to get a decent fee + add ons. I can’t imagine Rangers will let the % of a future fee owed to Genk (if that’s even part of the deal) be any more than 10-15%, the fact Wilson and co have been able to renegotiate the fee indicates to me they won’t be taken for a ride and will get the best value from the deal.
 
You don't need 2 destroyers, but you do need 2 disciplined, possession retaining midfielders to protect our attacking full backs, supply our more forward players and keep control of the game.

Docherty certainly couldn't play that role close to the level of Kamara, Davis or Jack.

2 out of those 3 must play, if we are to use the
4-2-3-1 formation.

If Docherty can’t do a reasonable job as one of the two sitting against the likes of St Mirren, Accies, Ross County etc then we have a severe issue with the lad.
 
If Docherty can’t do a reasonable job as one of the two sitting against the likes of St Mirren, Accies, Ross County etc then we have a severe issue with the lad.


He may well do a reasonable job mate, but he wouldn't do nearly as good a job as Kamara, Davis, Jack, or even Arfield would.

He doesn't have the natural possession retention or positional sense they have.

Tbf to him, a holding midfielder isn't his natural position.

In fact I don't think I've ever see him play it.
 
Excellent piece of business by the sounds of it, very happy that we’ve bagged Hagi. Showed in a short space of time what he’s got to offer, and tbh I’d have signed him for the one man show vs Braga at home.
 
If Docherty can’t do a reasonable job as one of the two sitting against the likes of St Mirren, Accies, Ross County etc then we have a severe issue with the lad.

The issue being he can’t play any position as well as his competition. Defensively he’s not very good and he’s not as good on the ball as any of our other midfielders. McCrorie adds more value to our midfield as a destroyer and he’s nowhere near the starting 11.
 
The issue being he can’t play any position as well as his competition. Defensively he’s not very good and he’s not as good on the ball as any of our other midfielders. McCrorie adds more value to our midfield as a destroyer and he’s nowhere near the starting 11.


Kinda sums it up.
 
Wonderful!

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I’m really excited about Hagi, Kent, Aribo and possibly Morelos in the same side. Might not guarantee instant success but given some time could be absolutely outstanding. I’ve no interest in the mentally challengeds tainted titles anyway. I’m delighted we’re choosing to invest in this way.
 
You don't need 2 destroyers, but you do need 2 disciplined, possession retaining midfielders to protect our attacking full backs, supply our more forward players and keep control of the game.

Docherty certainly couldn't play that role close to the level of Kamara, Davis or Jack.

2 out of those 3 must play, if we are to use the
4-2-3-1 formation.
You don’t feel like we still need to strengthen in one of the two sitting midfield positions,mate?

I’m a big fan of kamara,Davis and jack and certainly after their performance at the piggery on the 29th where they were outstanding but then you have tynecastle and pittodrie (2nd half) performances.
 
He may well do a reasonable job mate, but he wouldn't do nearly as good a job as Kamara, Davis, Jack, or even Arfield would.

He doesn't have the natural possession retention or positional sense they have.

Tbf to him, a holding midfielder isn't his natural position.

In fact I don't think I've ever see him play it.

As I said, purely as back up, if he can’t do a job 9/10 games a season in this country then there’s a problem either with the coaching or scouting if he’s truly that bad.

Do we have any genuine holding players that specialise in that position?
 
You don’t feel like we still need to strengthen in one of the two sitting midfield positions,mate?

I’m a big fan of kamara,Davis and jack and certainly after their performance at the piggery on the 29th where they were outstanding but then you have tynecastle and pittodrie (2nd half) performances.


Between Kamara, Jack, Davis and Arfield, I'd say we've got decent cover for those positions mate.

We need to remember how well our midfield played up until New Year.
They dominated every other midfield in the league and some top European ones too.

It may well be that Ģerrard will want to strengthen in that area further, but bigger issues for me, after the break, were basic individual errors, with McGregor, Tavernier, Goldson, Edmondson, Katic and Barisic all responsible.

Defoe's injury, plus Morelos's ill discipline and loss of form contributed plenty too.

We simply didn't score enough goals.

It's unfair to pin it all down to our midfield.

Hopefully the Hagi signing will be the spark for more creativity in the final third.
 
As I said, purely as back up, if he can’t do a job 9/10 games a season in this country then there’s a problem either with the coaching or scouting if he’s truly that bad.

Do we have any genuine holding players that specialise in that position?


Barjonas would do a far better job than Doc in that position as back up mate.

Davis is very much a holding mid now.
Jack and Kamara are also very comfortable sitting deeper and all have the technical ability to recycle and build the play for us.

Arfield has done it well on occasion too, although it's not his natural position.
 
Between Kamara, Jack, Davis and Arfield, I'd say we've got decent cover for those positions mate.

We need to remember how well our midfield played up until New Year.
They dominated every other midfield in the league and some top European ones too.

It may well be that Ģerrard will want to strengthen in that area further, but bigger issues for me, after the break, were basic individual errors, with McGregor, Tavernier, Goldson, Edmondson, Katic and Barisic all responsible.

Defoe's injury, plus Morelos's ill discipline and loss of form contributed plenty too.

We simply didn't score enough goals.

It's unfair to pin it all down to our midfield.

Hopefully the Hagi signing will be the spark for more creativity in the final third.
I do remember how well they played that’s what makes it all the more frustrating,mate. it’s happened 2 years in row now and it’s happened in every single department, something needs to give.

Hagi can be a great addition if we play him in the correct position.

I hope we are actively looking to sell Morelos and have a replacement lined up.

Gerrard and Ross Wilson have a big job on their hands. Firstly we need to add at least three more attacking players on top of hagi then we need to either strengthen the defence or Hope the return of helander improves the overall performance of the back 5.
 
I do remember how well they played that’s what makes it all the more frustrating,mate. it’s happened 2 years in row now and it’s happened in every single department, something needs to give.

Hagi can be a great addition if we play him in the correct position.

I hope we are actively looking to sell Morelos and have a replacement lined up.

Gerrard and Ross Wilson have a big job on their hands. Firstly we need to add at least three more attacking players on top of hagi then we need to either strengthen the defence or Hope the return of helander improves the overall performance of the back 5.


McGregor, Tav, Goldson, Helander and Borna were pretty rock solid together mate.

Hopefully that will continue.
 
If Hagi gets a full preseason and we play him as an orthodox 10, he could ruin this league. We need to upgrade other attack options and if we have the funds a box to box midfielder. Biggest thing for me is to be flexible in the formation we play, 433 needs binned as our go to set up.
 
If Hagi gets a full preseason and we play him as an orthodox 10, he could ruin this league. We need to upgrade other attack options and if we have the funds a box to box midfielder. Biggest thing for me is to be flexible in the formation we play, 433 needs binned as our go to set up.

Even now, I’d be astonished if Gerrard deviates from his comfort blanket 4-3-3.

As I said earlier in the thread, it’s a massive transfer for the gaffer - will he ultimately turn out to be a Warburton ‘one system fits all’ manager whose Plan B is to do Plan A better, or will he prove to be a progressive and adaptable manager who’ll build around his most talented footballer and train his squad to be familiar with more than one formation?

It’ll be a very interesting one.
 
Even now, I’d be astonished if Gerrard deviates from his comfort blanket 4-3-3.

As I said earlier in the thread, it’s a massive transfer for the gaffer - will he ultimately turn out to be a Warburton ‘one system fits all’ manager whose Plan B is to do Plan A better, or will he prove to be a progressive and adaptable manager who’ll build around his most talented footballer and train his squad to be familiar with more than one formation?

It’ll be a very interesting one.

It will be a long season the mate, for me anyway, Gerrard has done a good job so far imo. But we need to be less predictable in our play, as well upgrading attacking options, we were far too reliant on Alfie to get goals
 
The issue being he can’t play any position as well as his competition. Defensively he’s not very good and he’s not as good on the ball as any of our other midfielders. McCrorie adds more value to our midfield as a destroyer and he’s nowhere near the starting 11.
Good post, seems like right place wrong time for Docherty unfortunately
 
You don’t feel like we still need to strengthen in one of the two sitting midfield positions,mate?

I’m a big fan of kamara,Davis and jack and certainly after their performance at the piggery on the 29th where they were outstanding but then you have tynecastle and pittodrie (2nd half) performances.

My problem with playing them 3 together is they all pretty much do the same job and rarely any of them break the lines or get enough goals.

As you said that combo suits bigger games when we aren’t playing a team that has every man behind the ball. Although that’s a story for a different thread.
 
Even now, I’d be astonished if Gerrard deviates from his comfort blanket 4-3-3.

As I said earlier in the thread, it’s a massive transfer for the gaffer - will he ultimately turn out to be a Warburton ‘one system fits all’ manager whose Plan B is to do Plan A better, or will he prove to be a progressive and adaptable manager who’ll build around his most talented footballer and train his squad to be familiar with more than one formation?

It’ll be a very interesting one.

If we stick to 4-3-3 we will nothing. It might sound dramatic but I'm convinced of it. I hope Gerrard learns.
 
It will be a long season the mate, for me anyway, Gerrard has done a good job so far imo. But we need to be less predictable in our play, as well upgrading attacking options, we were far too reliant on Alfie to get goals


Or Defoe obviously.
 
Defoe is the perfect bench player pending how lockdown has affected his fitness, can’t rule him out yet.
 
Barjonas would do a far better job than Doc in that position as back up mate.

Davis is very much a holding mid now.
Jack and Kamara are also very comfortable sitting deeper and all have the technical ability to recycle and build the play for us.

Arfield has done it well on occasion too, although it's not his natural position.

Got to be more ruthless here, for me Arfield is not a first pick and we can do better than him.

Davis also needs replaced unfortunately.
 
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If Defoe is our 2nd choice striker next season, we won't win the league would be my guess. We need more goals in our team


Defoe won't be 1st choice striker, nor should he be, but remember as 2nd choice striker he outscored our 1st choice striker in the league, despite playing less games.

It's absolutely baffling how some people just ignore his goalscoring stats and say he doesn't score enough goals.

Here's the facts......

League goals.....

Defoe, 11 starts, 13 goals
Morelos 18 starts, 12 goals
Kamberi 19 starts, 4 goals

What manager in his right mind would discard a striker from his squad who is providing a return like that?
 
Got to be more ruthless here, for me Arfield is not a first pick and we can do better than him.

Davis also needs replaced unfortunately.


I don't have Arfield as a first pick, but he is a quality squad option, not just someone making up the numbers.

Davis was the best midfielder in the country before the winter break and was absolutely key in our European success and midfield domination of Celtic.

Unfortunately, due to injuries, he got flogged to death and suffered from fatigue in certain games.

He's by no means finished, if utilised properly.
 
I'd much rather Dykes than Kamberi.

Problem is Dykes wont get away with half of what he does currently playing for us.
 
Defoe won't be 1st choice striker, nor should he be, but remember as 2nd choice striker he outscored our 1st choice striker in the league, despite playing less games.

It's absolutely baffling how some people just ignore his goalscoring stats and say he doesn't score enough goals.

Here's the facts......

League goals.....

Defoe, 11 starts, 13 goals
Morelos 18 starts, 12 goals
Kamberi 19 starts, 4 goals

What manager in his right mind would discard a striker from his squad who is providing a return like that?

Not sure where I or anyone implied Defoe should be 'discarded' . Given Gerrard plays 433 with one central striker, typically Morelos, my point was to have more players contributing goals other than our central striker in the 433 of we insist on playing that way .

If you want a fact we were 13 points behind the manks, the main failure on our part was the lack of goals compared to what the scum did when TLB changed formation
 
Not sure where I or anyone implied Defoe should be 'discarded' . Given Gerrard plays 433 with one central striker, typically Morelos, my point was to have more players contributing goals other than our central striker in the 433 of we insist on playing that way .

If you want a fact we were 13 points behind the manks, the main failure on our part was the lack of goals compared to what the scum did when TLB changed formation


You said if Defoe was our 2nd choice striker we wouldn't win the league mate.

There won't be a better return from any other 2nd choice striker in our league.

Changes in formation are a different argument and one I agree with.

We also need a first choice striker we can always rely on.

Hopefully Morelos, if he stays, has learnt his lessons.
 
Defoe won't be 1st choice striker, nor should he be, but remember as 2nd choice striker he outscored our 1st choice striker in the league, despite playing less games.

It's absolutely baffling how some people just ignore his goalscoring stats and say he doesn't score enough goals.

Here's the facts......

League goals.....

Defoe, 11 starts, 13 goals
Morelos 18 starts, 12 goals
Kamberi 19 starts, 4 goals

What manager in his right mind would discard a striker from his squad who is providing a return like that?

Those are Kamberis starts for Hibs aren’t they? It’s a hell of a tick to beat someone with when using stats from a mid table side vs one vying for a championship.
 
Those are Kamberis starts for Hibs aren’t they? It’s a hell of a tick to beat someone with when using stats from a mid table side vs one vying for a championship.


Rangers and Hibs

9 games, 1 goal for Rangers.
 
You said if Defoe was our 2nd choice striker we wouldn't win the league mate.

There won't be a better return from any other 2nd choice striker in our league.

Changes in formation are a different argument and one I agree with.

We also need a first choice striker we can always rely on.

Hopefully Morelos, if he stays, has learnt his lessons.

I meant if Defoe is 2nd choice striker ie Gerrard continues with 433 and with one central striker we won't win the league. Should have been clearer sorry.

Your last few sentences confirm you have a grievance with Morelos. I remember you started a thread a few months back on Alfredo that got patched by admin on here it was that unbalanced.
 
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