HMRC's Chief Executive responds to Times article with letter

[YoungGer97]

 

[55degreesnorth]

Hes talking shite.

 

[Marstonbear]

Imposing a £24m penalty then withdrawing it sounds like a mistake to me

 

[georgedoors]

No mention of overcharging on penalties, has avoided the damage caused by their own action, a rabid mentally challenged the place is infested.

 

[Fife flyer]

That doesn't look genuine to me

 

[YoungGer97]

"HMRC did not make any mistakes that led to the club's insolvency"
Sounds like the exact type of claim that may very well come back and bite them on the arse seeing as how there is a staggering level of contention over that claim.

 

[HMS.Temple.Garden]

Sounds similar to the tweet they sent out.

they are trying to stick to some facts, whilst playing with words on the rest but they refuse to mention the penalties.

 

[coplandrearl36]

The tax maybe right, however your extortionate penalty firgures were not.

 

[chrisyboi]

That doesn't look genuine to me

It is mate. Came from HMRC press office on Twitter

 

[Dougie Gray]

That doesn't look genuine to me

It is. It’s been tweeted by HMRC account on twitter

 

[M@x]

That doesn't look genuine to me

It's from HMRC twitter page

 

[Est1872]

Jim Harra was sozzled on the HMRC Twitter after a few too many vinos late night last night

 

[Valley Bluenose]

If anything is ‘inaccurate and partial’ it is this letter.

Yes, they won in the Supreme Court. That was about whether tax was due - not the level to which tax was due nor any penalties.

Whether they levied the correct level of tax is still under dispute between BDO and HMRC. What is NOT under dispute is that HMRC have already agreed - more than a year ago - that the penalties imposed were inaccurate to the tune of £26m.

 

[RenfrewBear72]

If they proven wrong in court having now stated in writing otherwise then they are even more fucked than they already are.

 

[Bazoo]

I thought they don’t comment on individual cases?

 

[Partickger]

Was their leaking of mis-information like a sieve not illegal?

what have they done about that ‘mistake’ before we get to the rest?

 

[Carltonblue]

Weasel words. I think he is saying that they calculated their over-estimation correctly, so that’s OK then.

 

[Partickger]

I thought they don’t comment on individual cases?

like everything else around Rangers, only when suits.

 

[Mamabear]

That doesn't look genuine to me

Saying “HMRC won against Rangers’ tax avoidance” just doesn’t sound right . Weird way to put it.

 

[The Golden God]

That doesn't look genuine to me

No offence mate but the amount of people who hit out with this kind of statement when it's literally posted on their verified Twitter account does my head in.

Verified accouts have been on the go for years now and you'd need to living off the grid in a wooden hut in the middle of the jungle to not know about them.

 

[Clicker]

I wonder if that guy has ever paid a tradesman in cash for doing a homer in his house.

 

[BlueLagoonCo]

Who's writing these statements, lol? mentally challenged education ripping right out them

 

[BrooklynBlue]

I think we're getting into semantics and interpretation with the "did not make any mistakes that led to the club's insolvency".

They could argue that's the case. But it ignores everything else, including their approach, the miscalculations and the leaks.

They do enjoy using "won".

 

[rayrangers]

These letters and tweets reek of people shiting themselves, I think they are going to be investigated

 

[Bluenose1979]

More wordplay from HMRC.

 

[Marfc_84]

The same Jim Harra that has been on record saying EBT's are legal?

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[Gio#56]

reading that from the head of hmrc shows IMO were the leak came from.

 

[Bluenose1979]

PS - If The Times has reported inaccurately, report them and demand an apology.

 

[YoungGer97]

They are arguing semantics only. They "won" against Rangers in the Supreme Court, correct. However, no one has disputed that. Whats being disputed is the figure. There was never a figure discussed in the supreme court so how exactly are they using this phrase as a rebuttal of the Times article, which specifically takes issue with the figure which they claim was severely mistake, not whether they won or not.

Now we already know that 26 million has been wiped. We know the players have been sent letters in the mail that their EBT penalties are now gone. We know that the main tax bill is being disputed and likely to be reduced, and therefore the interest on it as well. So please, someone tell me, how the %^*& the Times aren't right here and how this reply from HMRC makes any fucking sense. It just doesnt, the evidence is there already, they got it wrong to at least some extent.

 

[A1bertz]

It is mate. Came from HMRC press office on Twitter

And gives licence to a whole bunch of Timbo to mock and add comment. Surely his disputed reply should have been with the paper.

 

[Realger34]

Shove that letter up your arse!

 

[DavieM]

So he's sobered up from last night then?? Has the hallmarks of the same tweet from the wee small hours ...

 

[Gio#56]

They are arguing semantics only. They "won" against Rangers in the Supreme Court, correct. However, no one has disputed that. Whats being disputed is the figure. There was never a figure discussed in the supreme court so how exactly are they using this phrase as a rebuttal of the Times article, which specifically takes issue with the figure, not whether they won or not.

exactly.

 

[Doctor Robert]

They are a disgrace. That’s the one true fact that is undeniable.

 

[Hubert74]

"Allegations regarding wrongdoing at The Calculations Department first emerged yesterday. Although HMRC is an entirely separate organisation, we have always taken these allegations extremely seriously because of our historic contacts with Celtic football Club The Calculations Department. All judgements by the Supreme Court were given our full support."

 

[Gio#56]

So he's sobered up from last night then?? Has the hallmarks of the same tweet from the wee small hours ...

but this time his name applied. Just happen to be the Top Man (the kingpin).

 

[55degreesnorth]

I wonder if that guy has ever paid a tradesman in cash for doing a homer in his house.

It's probably covered by his fiddled expenses.

 

[BluenoseAL]

when will these c*nts get it through their thick skulls that it wasn't the tax that was the issue but the grossly inflated penalties & interest, i have also noticed that there are individuals who are campaigning against hmrc because their loan charges are causing some to commit suicide ffs

 

[Prestwick_ Bear]

So he's sobered up from last night then?? Has the hallmarks of the same tweet from the wee small hours ...

It does mate. It's reeking tbh.

 

[tontossidekick]

Who's writing these statements, lol? mentally challenged education ripping right out them

Schoolboy and in crayon .
If it wasn't so seriously fucked up it would be funny.

 

[RFC1964]

The Times will have publish more details or issue an apology to the HMRC.

 

[alexg123]

Saying “HMRC won against Rangers’ tax avoidance” just doesn’t sound right . Weird way to put it.

Smells like mentally challenged shit to me .

 

[Brazilbear]

He should be asked. Why did other clubs with EBT's get deals and not pay the full tax amount? Why were they not brought into the big tax case collectively? Why just us?

 

[Subway Bear]

You know the old saying, give them enough rope... here's hoping that's the case here.

 

[millar2318]

Have they employed Phil 3 names and John James to do their pr?

 

[GodStruth]

The Times will have publish more details or issue an apology to the HMRC.

No it wont

HMRCs statement here does not counter any of the allegations in the Times article

Its pure obfuscation and word play. Quite frankly its the height of unprofessionalism ans seems extremely against the civil service code to comment on an individual case

 

[Wamphray_Loyal]

That's embarrassing from a puddle drinker employee of HMRC .They haven't made a mistake which is true ,the over calculation of our tax bill was a deliberate malicious act .

 

[IrvineLoyal]

Someone is rattled imo

 

[allyscott]

He appears to be arrogant and illiterate. He needs to be challenged by someone in a court of law about his claims in that pathetic letter.

 

[Antsy]

Have they let a child write that? Cant believe they put out a statement saying "Won against rangers". It sounds extremely unprofessional. You would at least expect it to state their case was against The Rangers Football Club plc.