Honeymoon Is Over For The Manger Next Season

ICA_86

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I never understand why people think criticising the manager doesn't mean you aren't a fan. I mean what bear wouldn't want Steven Gerrard to win the league for Rangers? I don't get it. He's not above criticism, it's the fanbois that need to accept that.
Good luck.

The majority on this thread are sensible - you can actually talk about it, I’m probably even looking at it from a few different angles having read the thread.

But, as per, there’s some grown men having a wee fanny fart as soon as you criticise him and throwing their toys out the pram. You wonder how these people survive having a job alongside other adults.
 

PMB1872

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No more Winter Camps.

Train at the Hummel/Auhenhouwie during the break.
I agree. I don’t see what they’re getting in Dubai that they couldn’t replicate at home. Training-wise. Equally maybe a Florida Cup repeat (if possible) rather than flogging the squad hard with a pre-season equivalent.
 

SDF

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I agree. I don’t see what they’re getting in Dubai that they couldn’t replicate at home. Training-wise. Equally maybe a Florida Cup repeat (if possible) rather than flogging the squad hard with a pre-season equivalent.
Better weather, better quality of pitch, no distractions.

I fail to see how slogging around Auchenhowie in the shitty January weather is going to make a difference.
 

ICA_86

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Better weather, better quality of pitch, no distractions.

I fail to see how slogging around Auchenhowie in the shitty January weather is going to make a difference.
I agree with you. There’s no feasible way it can be a bad thing.

However, it’s clear that the mentality of our players during the break/in Dubai is all wrong. We’re treating the December OF and subsequent break as the summit, when it should be treated as a stepping stone on the way to the summit.

Whether we like it or not, the mentality and performances of the players post-break backs that up.
 

bkerr72

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I agree. I don’t see what they’re getting in Dubai that they couldn’t replicate at home. Training-wise. Equally maybe a Florida Cup repeat (if possible) rather than flogging the squad hard with a pre-season equivalent.
Warm weather and a change of scenery which just about every other club in football does. The scum go out to Dubai every year and it hasn't affected them when they come back but Dubai isn't to blame as we trained for every game at Auchenhowie. The work done in Dubai wasn't much different to what the players come back to when they're given a week off during the international break for example. Yes maybe a wee bit more fitness work thrown in but given the schedule we came back to of a game almost every 3 days then fitness levels need to be the best they can.

The break itself is to blame for us as it came at the wrong time as it killed our momentum we had gained especially after beating them. We then come back with 2 key players injured and Alfie suspended and we don't have the squad depth to replace them. For the scum the break came at the right time as it allowed them to regroup which unfortunately for us they did and they went on a winning run even if they did get some help along the way.
 

PMB1872

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Better weather, better quality of pitch, no distractions.

I fail to see how slogging around Auchenhowie in the shitty January weather is going to make a difference.
Well I so far don’t see what good the last two trips to Dubai have done. Our season has died on its arse in the January/February section two seasons in a row. Something’s wrong. It may be too much training and a lack of games in the break.
 

SOB-WATP

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Better weather, better quality of pitch, no distractions.

I fail to see how slogging around Auchenhowie in the shitty January weather is going to make a difference.
Spending a fortune taking the squad to Dubai for warm weather training hasn't worked either to be fair.

I dont know whats happened the last 2 seasons after the winter break but I dont buy into the argument it was purely down to losing momentum.

Maybe staying at home and keeping the players 100% focused is the best way going forward.. by all accounts the players were out on the piss in Dubai more than once on their days off.
 

SDF

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Well I so far don’t see what good the last two trips to Dubai have done. Our season has died on its arse in the January/February section two seasons in a row. Something’s wrong. It may be too much training and a lack of games in the break.
We haven't went to Dubai twice though.

We were in Tenerife in January 2019.

It's nothing to do with training camps. It's mentality. We crumbled twice.
 

Barryhopez

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I fail to see how slogging around Auchenhowie in the shitty January weather is going to make a difference.
It may keep a bit of perspective? Being treated to a training camp in luxury only to see the season die on it's arse suggests that doing something of that magnitude isn't helping but then neither would gullane sands tbf.

The club are chucking money at this type of expense with zero reward in terms of a winning team.

Being handsomely paid, as a host of footballers are, for continual failure is bad enough without a mid season luxury trip into the bargain.
 

bkerr72

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Spending a fortune taking the squad to Dubai for warm weather training hasn't worked either to be fair.

I dont know whats happened the last 2 seasons after the winter break but I dont buy into the argument it was purely down to losing momentum.

Maybe staying at home and keeping the players 100% focused is the best way going forward.. by all accounts the players were out on the piss in Dubai more than once on their days off.
We came back from Dubai on the Monday and prepared for every game after the break after that at the training ground.

The players had 10-11 days off prior to the Dubai trip majority of them went to Dubai beforehand. We were only there for 6 days training and trained twice a day so do you think Gerrard would have allowed more time off to let them go on the piss while they were there?
 

Renfrew@UKGB&NI

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If he wins both cups and closes the gap on Celtic that might be enough to grant him another tilt at the title, but if he wins both cups and we’re still miles behind Celtic then I can understand why many would still see that as the end of the line.

Like it of not there will be enormous pressure on him and the players right from the word go next season and part of the reason for that it because we completely imploded after the new year and he appeared lost for answers as to why that was.

There’s no escaping just how shocking our collapse was and unfortunately it’s the last memories we have of the season.

He and his staff are going to have to work flat out over the summer to erase them.
Was absolutely sick of reading how 55 was going to destroy them. Not only is 10 going to destroy many on our side, it looks like it's already started.

I dont think people have really acknowledged, just how close we came to being non existent. In 2 seasons the man has helped put us on the football map again, regained our pride in europe, matched celtic in face to face encounters. The difference is, they have a much more powerful squad than us, because they can afford it. This explains why we're losing more against teams below us, not that we've spent more than them.

I wish football wasnt so dependant on money as it is these days, but unfortunately it is and as it stands, we're cant lay a glove on them in that dept. It may need them to run out of steam for us to catch them, much the same as happened to us when we were chasing 10.

I'll tell you this much, if Rangers are going to keep chopping and changing every 2 seasons, then there will be more to worry about than 10iar.
 

stevo1984

Active Member
It was over for him last season. He has performed excellent in Europe which has kept him in a job. His domestic form after Christmas is sackable. He rightly deserves another crack at because of Europe I think
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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It was over for him last season. He has performed excellent in Europe which has kept him in a job. His domestic form after Christmas is sackable. He rightly deserves another crack at because of Europe I think
You get a few hundred grand for winning the league cup. You get circa 20m for our European Run.

Which is more important in terms of rebuilding the club and closing the gap with Celtic on and off the park?
 

TinyRick

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My fear exactly from reading through this thread. It might be a good thing playing in an empty stadium for the sake of the season. It just seems like a few people are one bad pass away from spreading a poisinous attitude throughtout the support.
Fixed that for you mate.
 

cleetus

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A training camp in warm weather has nothing to do with it

Our squad is weak mentally end of story

I hate mentioning them but they went to Dubai also did they not?? Didnt seem to do them any harm...
 

PMB1872

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We haven't went to Dubai twice though.

We were in Tenerife in January 2019.

It's nothing to do with training camps. It's mentality. We crumbled twice.
Ah I forgot that’s where we were. I accept the argument that it’s mentality in the main. If that’s the case we need to recruit better. We need to be signing proven winners, from whichever country.
 

bkerr72

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A training camp in warm weather has nothing to do with it

Our squad is weak mentally end of story

I hate mentioning them but they went to Dubai also did they not?? Didnt seem to do them any harm...
Yes at the same facility as we were based. They've been going to Dubai for the last few years.
 

SOB-WATP

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We came back from Dubai on the Monday and prepared for every game after the break after that at the training ground.

The players had 10-11 days off prior to the Dubai trip majority of them went to Dubai beforehand. We were only there for 6 days training and trained twice a day so do you think Gerrard would have allowed more time off to let them go on the piss while they were there?
Fair enough the players behaved for the week with Gerrard but the point is they went off on holiday midway through the season prior to the training camp starting.

If we had experiencied winners throughout the squad that we could trust to keep their focus and know they'll turn up second half of the season then yes no problem but this squad are so mentally weak that in my opinion we would best served staying at home and not giving them that option to lose focus.

Btw I dont think our collapse is all down to Dubai or Tenerife but i also dont believe it's much of a benefit to us either.
 

ibroxcats

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Can I ask a serious question to those throwing a hissy fit at bears who aren’t satisfied with with the current domestic performance and believe replacement coaching staff should be sought if we crumble and fall again next season?

First off, more or less everyone who has stated that they’re not happy with the current level of domestic performance has clearly acknowledged (in several threads going back months no less!) that Gerrard has made great progress in terms of cleaning the rubble he inherited and progressing us well beyond the lowly and depressing levels of the previous 3 coaches. I myself have also said that the win at the piggery and the Europeans results were proud moments and moments we hadn’t had in a long long time and that Gerrard deserved immense credit for these.

So why, when we state domestic performance isn’t good enough and there’s been little to no domestic progress from last season, do you need to peddle this complete lie that myself and likeminded individuals are calling/or have called Gerrard a diddy whose made no progress? Is it not possible to have the discussion without making shite up?
"Can I ask" in the first paragraph, followed by "So why, when we" in the third paragraph gives you away as an agenda-driven group of like-minded people who pretty clearly want Gerrard gone. Why not just say it straight out?
 

Loyal Latina

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Of course. But like I said, another 10 or 13 point gap and crumbling at January isn’t negotiable for me personally, if that happens again then it should be curtains for the gaffer. If he wins a cup and loses the league by a couple of points, then depending on how things have played out, it could be extremely harsh to sack him. But say we had a healthy lead and blew it at the end spilling points everywhere, again that changes the circumstances, maybe crumbling again will feel less than acceptable depending on a number of different variables.

But say he does narrowly miss out and a more experienced manager who’s won leagues becomes available, we should absolutely approach him, because remember it’s ultimately about Rangers and silverware, not Gerrard or having big names at the helm.
Completely agree with that, and would go as far as to say that if he had a 10 point lead and then lost the league by 1 or 2 points because of post winter form he should go.
Because points totals would again show a lack of progress.
But finishing on a good bit over 90 points and finishing second would be league progress, winning a cup along with that would for me, mean he should be given a forth year.

I don't think it is a historically acceptable scenario for Rangers on any average level over our history, but we are still in unprecedented times and as much as it may look to the outside that we are back, we are a good bit away from our potential, both on and off the park through no fault of anyone currently at the club.
 

Danger Zone

Just the tip...
"Can I ask" in the first paragraph, followed by "So why, when we" in the third paragraph gives you away as an agenda-driven group of like-minded people who pretty clearly want Gerrard gone. Why not just say it straight out?
To be honest having read a few of your posts you shouldn’t even be crossing streets on your own.
 

Danger Zone

Just the tip...
That's the way. Don't answer the question, attack the questioner.
That’s more or less all you’ve done in this entire thread. Any time I answered your previous questions you’d brazenly ignore the answer and go in a different, completely nonsensical tangent.

For you to (presumably) read all of the posts in this discussion and then offer up nothing better than “oh you said ‘we’, that means you’re just an agenda driven group who want the manager gone” doesn’t reflect well on you. I mean any one of my ‘agenda driven group’ could easily flip that and say you’re clearly an agenda driven group of happy clappers who think the manager is bigger than the club, but what’s the point?

And answer what question? Why not just say I want the manager gone? Because it’s a bare faced lie as explained in great detail in the preceding pages. But you’ve got to love when someone conjures up an unfounded accusation then goes into victim mode when they’re met with opposition, christ it’s right out of the tarriar book of debating. So you’re either taking the piss, or you’re missing something up top. Either way, don’t bother responding or crying wolf again because I’ll be glossing right over your posts from here on in. Cheers!
 

ibroxcats

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That’s more or less all you’ve done in this entire thread. Any time I answered your previous questions you’d brazenly ignore the answer and go in a different, completely nonsensical tangent.

For you to (presumably) read all of the posts in this discussion and then offer up nothing better than “oh you said ‘we’, that means you’re just an agenda driven group who want the manager gone” doesn’t reflect well on you. I mean any one of my ‘agenda driven group’ could easily flip that and say you’re clearly an agenda driven group of happy clappers who think the manager is bigger than the club, but what’s the point?

And answer what question? Why not just say I want the manager gone? Because it’s a bare faced lie as explained in great detail in the preceding pages. But you’ve got to love when someone conjures up an unfounded accusation then goes into victim mode when they’re met with opposition, christ it’s right out of the tarriar book of debating. So you’re either taking the piss, or you’re missing something up top. Either way, don’t bother responding or crying wolf again because I’ll be glossing right over your posts from here on in. Cheers!
Thanks for the advice on how I should proceed in dealing with a bully in denial mode. No doubt your pals will back you up. And throwing the victim shite in won't fly. Jog on.
 

Barrymoped

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I’m glad I’ve not read the entirety of this thread!

However in my humble opinion, and I’m a big fan of the gaffer, this next season is make or break, we absolutely have to win the league, letting them get 10IAR, having been here by then for 3 seasons would be extremely difficult to defend.

However I do believe we can do it. The gaffer isn’t stupid and will know the reasons why our arses collapsed after New Year. I just hope with the current crisis we are able to get the players in that we need to ensure it doesn’t happen again.
 

HandsomeHead

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Was absolutely sick of reading how 55 was going to destroy them. Not only is 10 going to destroy many on our side, it looks like it's already started.

I dont think people have really acknowledged, just how close we came to being non existent. In 2 seasons the man has helped put us on the football map again, regained our pride in europe, matched celtic in face to face encounters. The difference is, they have a much more powerful squad than us, because they can afford it. This explains why we're losing more against teams below us, not that we've spent more than them.

I wish football wasnt so dependant on money as it is these days, but unfortunately it is and as it stands, we're cant lay a glove on them in that dept. It may need them to run out of steam for us to catch them, much the same as happened to us when we were chasing 10.

I'll tell you this much, if Rangers are going to keep chopping and changing every 2 seasons, then there will be more to worry about than 10iar.
There’s a certain nobility in the idea of holding onto Gerrard for another three or four years regardless of what next season brings and I’d probably applaud the board if they had the balls to confront the support and tell them that was their intention, but it won’t happen because football doesn’t really work like that, certainly not at a club like ours who are embroiled in an eternal two horse race with our most bitter rivals for silverware every season.

These are the harsh realities of managing a club like Rangers and both the board and Steven Gerrard know it.

We’ve made significant strides in each of his seasons to date, but we’re still some distance away from where we need to be.

Personally I can’t get away from just how badly it unravelled after Xmas.

Until then you’d struggle to find anyone who didn’t feel we had moved up a level from the previous season’s efforts, but after that we collapsed at such a rate of knots it felt like we were going backwards to the point where, remembering consecutive defeats to Hearts and Hamilton, we’d regressed to Pedro and Murty levels of performance.

Reaching a cup final and the knockout stages of Europe could be viewed as progress (the latter in particular was a great achievement), but they’re offset by a league display that saw us actually further adrift of the Beasts when the last ball was kicked than we finished the previous campaign.

In this respect I think we need to acknowledge that overall our progress from the preceding season was actually pretty modest and it really needs to improve considerably next term otherwise I think there’s an inevitability to his leaving.
 

Blastie Bear

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Great progress under the manager but he needs a trophy this season, and we must come back from the winter break and not fall to fck.
 

ibroxcats

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There’s a certain nobility in the idea of holding onto Gerrard for another three or four years regardless of what next season brings and I’d probably applaud the board if they had the balls to confront the support and tell them that was their intention, but it won’t happen because football doesn’t really work like that, certainly not at a club like ours who are embroiled in an eternal two horse race with our most bitter rivals for silverware every season.

These are the harsh realities of managing a club like Rangers and both the board and Steven Gerrard know it.

We’ve made significant strides in each of his seasons to date, but we’re still some distance away from where we need to be.

Personally I can’t get away from just how badly it unravelled after Xmas.

Until then you’d struggle to find anyone who didn’t feel we had moved up a level from the previous season’s efforts, but after that we collapsed at such a rate of knots it felt like we were going backwards to the point where, remembering consecutive defeats to Hearts and Hamilton, we’d regressed to Pedro and Murty levels of performance.

Reaching a cup final and the knockout stages of Europe could be viewed as progress (the latter in particular was a great achievement), but they’re offset by a league display that saw us actually further adrift of the Beasts when the last ball was kicked than we finished the previous campaign.

In this respect I think we need to acknowledge that overall our progress from the preceding season was actually pretty modest and it really needs to improve considerably next term otherwise I think there’s an inevitability to his leaving.
And the incoming manager who's available, keen, affordable, with a resume of sustained success at huge clubs over a long career of proven, multiple trophy-winning performance and ready to step in is?
 

Edbur

Active Member
We haven't went to Dubai twice though.

We were in Tenerife in January 2019.

It's nothing to do with training camps. It's mentality. We crumbled twice.
Spot on mate, we crumbled again at the business end of the season, when the pressure mounts, when the prizes are won and lost.
Unfortunately the quality and mentality of our squad are in the loser category, the stark evidence of that were clearly stated in our captain’s infamous programme comments.
 

HandsomeHead

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And the incoming manager who's available, keen, affordable, with a resume of sustained success at huge clubs over a long career of proven, multiple trophy-winning performance and ready to step in is?
I’m happy to forward this to Stewart Robertson if you like?

It is what he’s paid for.
 
You hit the nail on the head here. He fits the profile hugely but the measuring stick is domestic success and that’s something he’s been unable to do. There’s a chance he could nab a trophy next season but we need to find that winning mentality.
Too many Bears seduced by his image and reputation as a player to actually question his performance so far, which don’t make for good reading against previous incumbents.

His real badge of honour is the European campaign-which has been sensational-but the lack of bottle over a consistent period to take the Scottish title back has been alarming.
 

prenzlauerbear

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Too many Bears seduced by his image and reputation as a player to actually question his performance so far, which don’t make for good reading against previous incumbents.

His real badge of honour is the European campaign-which has been sensational-but the lack of bottle over a consistent period to take the Scottish title back has been alarming.
I mean, you are writing this post in a 23-page thread where people are questioning his performance so far...
 

Brant Hurley

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Loyalty matters, but SG seems over reliant on system (though he does change) & certain players. A few of the loan players lacked consistency/commitment. Barker made no sense either. Refs are still an issue too.
Hate seeing them win anything, but we're improving, viz Europe. That closes the ££gap. I'll support our manager for another full season. Swapping mid-term rarely works. And I do value loyalty. WATP.
 
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