cambridgeblue
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We went on a pre-season warm weather camp and got a banging start to the season in August last year.
Geography isn't the problem.
Geography isn't the problem.
Completely agree with that, and would go as far as to say that if he had a 10 point lead and then lost the league by 1 or 2 points because of post winter form he should go.Of course. But like I said, another 10 or 13 point gap and crumbling at January isn’t negotiable for me personally, if that happens again then it should be curtains for the gaffer. If he wins a cup and loses the league by a couple of points, then depending on how things have played out, it could be extremely harsh to sack him. But say we had a healthy lead and blew it at the end spilling points everywhere, again that changes the circumstances, maybe crumbling again will feel less than acceptable depending on a number of different variables.
But say he does narrowly miss out and a more experienced manager who’s won leagues becomes available, we should absolutely approach him, because remember it’s ultimately about Rangers and silverware, not Gerrard or having big names at the helm.
"Can I ask" in the first paragraph, followed by "So why, when we" in the third paragraph gives you away as an agenda-driven group of like-minded people who pretty clearly want Gerrard gone. Why not just say it straight out?
That's the way. Don't answer the question, attack the questioner.To be honest having read a few of your posts you shouldn’t even be crossing streets on your own.
That's the way. Don't answer the question, attack the questioner.
Thanks for the advice on how I should proceed in dealing with a bully in denial mode. No doubt your pals will back you up. And throwing the victim shite in won't fly. Jog on.That’s more or less all you’ve done in this entire thread. Any time I answered your previous questions you’d brazenly ignore the answer and go in a different, completely nonsensical tangent.
For you to (presumably) read all of the posts in this discussion and then offer up nothing better than “oh you said ‘we’, that means you’re just an agenda driven group who want the manager gone” doesn’t reflect well on you. I mean any one of my ‘agenda driven group’ could easily flip that and say you’re clearly an agenda driven group of happy clappers who think the manager is bigger than the club, but what’s the point?
And answer what question? Why not just say I want the manager gone? Because it’s a bare faced lie as explained in great detail in the preceding pages. But you’ve got to love when someone conjures up an unfounded accusation then goes into victim mode when they’re met with opposition, christ it’s right out of the tarriar book of debating. So you’re either taking the piss, or you’re missing something up top. Either way, don’t bother responding or crying wolf again because I’ll be glossing right over your posts from here on in. Cheers!
Was absolutely sick of reading how 55 was going to destroy them. Not only is 10 going to destroy many on our side, it looks like it's already started.
I dont think people have really acknowledged, just how close we came to being non existent. In 2 seasons the man has helped put us on the football map again, regained our pride in europe, matched celtic in face to face encounters. The difference is, they have a much more powerful squad than us, because they can afford it. This explains why we're losing more against teams below us, not that we've spent more than them.
I wish football wasnt so dependant on money as it is these days, but unfortunately it is and as it stands, we're cant lay a glove on them in that dept. It may need them to run out of steam for us to catch them, much the same as happened to us when we were chasing 10.
I'll tell you this much, if Rangers are going to keep chopping and changing every 2 seasons, then there will be more to worry about than 10iar.
And the incoming manager who's available, keen, affordable, with a resume of sustained success at huge clubs over a long career of proven, multiple trophy-winning performance and ready to step in is?There’s a certain nobility in the idea of holding onto Gerrard for another three or four years regardless of what next season brings and I’d probably applaud the board if they had the balls to confront the support and tell them that was their intention, but it won’t happen because football doesn’t really work like that, certainly not at a club like ours who are embroiled in an eternal two horse race with our most bitter rivals for silverware every season.
These are the harsh realities of managing a club like Rangers and both the board and Steven Gerrard know it.
We’ve made significant strides in each of his seasons to date, but we’re still some distance away from where we need to be.
Personally I can’t get away from just how badly it unravelled after Xmas.
Until then you’d struggle to find anyone who didn’t feel we had moved up a level from the previous season’s efforts, but after that we collapsed at such a rate of knots it felt like we were going backwards to the point where, remembering consecutive defeats to Hearts and Hamilton, we’d regressed to Pedro and Murty levels of performance.
Reaching a cup final and the knockout stages of Europe could be viewed as progress (the latter in particular was a great achievement), but they’re offset by a league display that saw us actually further adrift of the Beasts when the last ball was kicked than we finished the previous campaign.
In this respect I think we need to acknowledge that overall our progress from the preceding season was actually pretty modest and it really needs to improve considerably next term otherwise I think there’s an inevitability to his leaving.
Spot on mate, we crumbled again at the business end of the season, when the pressure mounts, when the prizes are won and lost.We haven't went to Dubai twice though.
We were in Tenerife in January 2019.
It's nothing to do with training camps. It's mentality. We crumbled twice.
And the incoming manager who's available, keen, affordable, with a resume of sustained success at huge clubs over a long career of proven, multiple trophy-winning performance and ready to step in is?
If you have that level of access to senior management at the club, go nuts. If not, shrink back into your clique please.I’m happy to forward this to Stewart Robertson if you like?
It is what he’s paid for.
You hit the nail on the head here. He fits the profile hugely but the measuring stick is domestic success and that’s something he’s been unable to do. There’s a chance he could nab a trophy next season but we need to find that winning mentality.
Too many Bears seduced by his image and reputation as a player to actually question his performance so far, which don’t make for good reading against previous incumbents.
His real badge of honour is the European campaign-which has been sensational-but the lack of bottle over a consistent period to take the Scottish title back has been alarming.
You've played the man, not the ball. When a winger skinned me, that's what I did. Best get back to the debate.To be honest having read a few of your posts you shouldn’t even be crossing streets on your own.
IMHOIn your opinion.
You've played the man, not the ball. When a winger skinned me, that's what I did. Best get back to the debate.
As you say, this topic polarises views. >8wks without fitba' isn't helping our mood!I already answered all of his questions and articulated every point I made as clearly as I could have; in fact throughout the thread I’ve shared every viewpoint I have on the matter. Essentially he’s just in a cream puff because he’s decided it’s SG or no one and doesn’t want to accept anything else. To be honest I think he might be confusing real football for Aussie rules.
All I’ll say, is replace the name Gerrard with McInnes and see how everyone would reactI already answered all of his questions and articulated every point I made as clearly as I could have; in fact throughout the thread I’ve shared every viewpoint I have on the matter. Essentially he’s just in a cream puff because he’s decided it’s SG or no one and doesn’t want to accept anything else. To be honest I think he might be confusing real football for Aussie rules.
Well the facts to me are they have been handed this title when they shouldn't have been - what can we do about it, absolute wee-haw on a football forum. Businesses are going down the pan left right and centre just now, throughout the world. Scottish football isn't bringing in any money, we have a corrupt governing body for Scottish football. Their 9 or if they get 10 was not won on merit. Our 9 was. Still got next season to win the league. But for me, give us some decent runs in Europe, decent money, attract players like Hagi, then, dominance will happen in Scotland, and rightly so.Imagine being one of you cùnts... perpetually feeling inferior in every moment of your life...
And I'll no lose any sleep over it eithersounds like it was written by a tim
I think he is a great manager and will do brilliant for us. I'm star struck by how well we are doing in Europe, the European nights I have been fortunate to be at Ibrox for when home.Genuinely one of the worst posts I’ve ever seen on here. The desperation to put Gerrard on a pedestal is truly pathetic.
You’re defending Gerrard by saying it’s better to come second and do well in Europe - sorry, what the %^*& are you talking about?
Honestly beyond belief. A grown man star struck by Steven Gerrard, I’m actually laughing at this.
Was absolutely sick of reading how 55 was going to destroy them. Not only is 10 going to destroy many on our side, it looks like it's already started.
I dont think people have really acknowledged, just how close we came to being non existent. In 2 seasons the man has helped put us on the football map again, regained our pride in europe, matched celtic in face to face encounters. The difference is, they have a much more powerful squad than us, because they can afford it. This explains why we're losing more against teams below us, not that we've spent more than them.
I wish football wasnt so dependant on money as it is these days, but unfortunately it is and as it stands, we're cant lay a glove on them in that dept. It may need them to run out of steam for us to catch them, much the same as happened to us when we were chasing 10.
I'll tell you this much, if Rangers are going to keep chopping and changing every 2 seasons, then there will be more to worry about than 10iar.
All I’ll say, is replace the name Gerrard with McInnes and see how everyone would react
Not many Tims I know carry a Bible with them, brought up in a presbyterian church, supported Rangers all their life and all their family also. I've got my opinions and views and will respect other Rangers fans opinions and views, even if different to mine. But I don't respect being called a Tim or a cùnt. But I suppose, each and all to their own.You probably don’t loose sleep over
Yip , you’re a Tim , hopefully you know it tbf , can’t tell with you cùnts these days.. Good luck in your future life of denial and misery, maybe you will get to kiss the holy ones ring and it’ll all be better at some point...
a lot are getting itchy and worrying far too much about that lot.
need to remember where we have come from at such a low starting point.
we are only just getting the club back into shape with the right quality of player,the stadium getting the works ,our commercial arm getting clear of the fat man ,scouting being put in place,training ground is the biz and youth teams working well .
we are a club again and probably in better shape and better run than at any time under murray .
it s telling that TLB is having a pop at our manager .despite having a fee run at the CL money since 2012 they have failed to shake us off and nothing more he'd love than to see us change the whole thing again ,just when he knows we have mauled them on the pitch in our last 2 meetings .
keep the faith .
The thing is mate that the league and cup games are our bread and butter so to speak.we have done well I,d actually say exceeded expectations. But our domestic forum is good for the first half of the season,.but not good enough for the second half two seasons in a row.10iar is dead, they killed it themselves by demanding they were handed a league in the midst of a pandemic.
Our problem is when you look at the games that we have dropped points in, our old friends Clancy, McLean, Beaton x 2 & Collum have all been involved. We dropped pointed in 8 games this year, they dropped points in 4. They kept themselves a game in front as well by gerrymandering fixtures. We need to call out the cheating next season because it will be ramped up.
We are at a stage where we can't keep hitting the reset button every summer or we'll end up like Hibs in having a new manager every year. We don't have a mediocre sqaud or we wouldn't have got result against the European sides that we have over the last two years.
Rapid Vienna
Spartak Moscow
Porto
Feyenoord
Braga
Villareal
Legai Warsaw
All of those clubs are equal to or better than the filth. If we were as crap as people make us out out to be then we wouldn't have got results against these clubs over the last 2 seasons and because we drop points against SPFL dross then it's get rid of the lot. Even Barcelona & Real Madrid don't beat everybody in their league given their advantage and they don't meet in every Spanish Cup Final.
We want to beat the filth but when you're playing against a loaded die then there's not much you can do until you can get rid of the people who are doing the loading.
The thing is mate that the league and cup games are our bread and butter so to speak.we have done well I,d actually say exceeded expectations. But our domestic forum is good for the first half of the season,.but not good enough for the second half two seasons in a row.
The more people try and convince themselves we only drop points due to referees and every team rolls over for them the more I feel the whole 10 thing has absolutely deluded people to the point of insanity.
Interesting point mate .personally I,d put it down to a few things. One of the them being refs two poor tactics at times from our manager three especially in the second half of the season lack of motivation from the team.The problem we have Tuarabear is that the diddy clubs done care about playing them or whether they get beat or not.
Every game we have dropped points in this season, our old ref pals have been at the forefront of it.
We are at the point where us droping points is seen as a defeat because most other teams in the SFPL don't care if they lose to them or not. But their players want to run through walls to beat us.
Go back 20/30 years and Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs, Dundee Utd all gave it a good go to try and compete with the Old Firm.
In 2020 3 of those clubs voted to allow the SPFL to hand the filth the league. 3 of those clubs along with ourselves have found themselves out of the SPFL to be replaced with Hamilton, Ross County, St Mirren & ICT. Yet we are to give credece to this "9iar" bollocks
Sorry a fourth point would be our inability to kill the game off especially. in the second half of the season.The thing is mate that the league and cup games are our bread and butter so to speak.we have done well I,d actually say exceeded expectations. But our domestic forum is good for the first half of the season,.but not good enough for the second half two seasons in a row.
Good thing is I doubt there will be a winter break this year by the time football returns.As far as I’m concerned, if he doesn’t win something this season, it’s over for him.
If we collapse after the winter break again, assuming we’re doing well beforehand, it’s over for him.
He’ll have had at least 6 transfer windows, and 3 full seasons of winning nothing. That’s more than many get to prove themselves.
John Greig got 5 years,why shouldn’t SG.?John Greig done well in Europe, still lost his job because the bottom line is the league. If Our Gaffer wins nothing next year he should be gone.
The question still needs to be asked as to why for two seasons in a row we have collapsed at at a time when it looked as though we were in the driving seat on both occasions. We can even accurately pinpoint the very moments: Worral against Killie last season, and this season, Kamara at Hearts. It was the lack of guile and belief in those games that saw us crash to self-inflicted defeats. We couldn’t raise our game to make a come back. Why the mental breakdown? SG has to address this key issue. When we win next season on their turf, and I believe we can do it, we need to simply walk off into the dressing room as though it is just another day. Not make a big deal of it, then dig in and rack up the points that creates a winning streak that goes on right through the season. Build momentum. Only that way can SG see light at the end of tunnel and see us champions. He’s going to be under immense pressure next season. We have to stick with him until he gets it right.
You would back the refs.
So it was the refs fault we capitulated after the winter break for the second consecutive season?You would back the refs.
So it was the refs fault we capitulated after the winter break for the second consecutive season?