During John Greigs reign Cooper wasnt always a first pick in the Rangers side, never mind Scotland.Seems hard to believe that someone of his caliber only got 20 odd caps for Scotland. I know back then we had a decent team and a much better quality of player to choose from than we do now.
Was this a case of managers as we have seen with Brown and Roxburgh who continued to pick their favourites and ignore Rangers players?
Plus did Davie ever play in a WC?
John Greig testimonial v Scotland, BR controlled the midfield that day.Bobby Russell never got any which considering his talent and class is hard to work out.
He would probably have won more caps had the Rangers team between 1979 - 85 been more successful. We struggled during those years and don't forget that at various points our own manager (John Greig) would not give Davie an automatic starting berth.
Pretty much. A lot of the stuff with JG was said to be personal. When at the bankies a young Coop pretty much ripped JG a new one and he didn't like it.
During John Greigs reign Cooper wasnt always a first pick in the Rangers side, never mind Scotland.
Incredible.Amazing to think about the genuine talent Scotland had at that time.
Double postIncredible.
My first Scotland game the team had 8 European medals, along with Davie Cooper and Mo Johnston.
You couldn’t even imagine it now, but we had some of the best players in the world at the time.Incredible.
My first Scotland game the team had 8 European medals, along with Davie Cooper and Mo Johnston.
I don't think Russell was anywhere near the wing, wizard i will agree with.We were pish.
Had Davie Cooper and Bobby Russell - exceptional wing wizards who deserved so much more, and a whole load of others. Wallace left Greig with an amazing team and why we didn't win the treble in 1979-80 is ridiculous, but the famous JG was never a manager.
In the early to mid-80's all we did was sign players who had played well against us in a game.
I don't want to say it too loud in case they hear me but John Greig and Ally McCoist as managers remind me of Neil Lennon today.
I think my dad and I went to every domestic game that Bobby ever played, home and away. He was the best crosser of the ball and corner taker I ever knew. He was a winger and I watched almost every game he ever played - No.7 or 11.I don't think Russell was anywhere near the wing, wizard i will agree with.
Rangers didn’t build their philosophy around him either.Cooper was a player every nation apart from New Zealand, because football is an alien concept, would have built their entire football philosophy around. Instead we see an shitcan academy from Largs inspired a league full of players that can’t spell football never mind play the game.
Provan played on the right, Cooper mainly on the left.
John Robertson was the main Scotland number 11, and I think Peter Weir of Aberdeen might have played a few times.
They did, until Roxburgh took overThey didn't keep him out and other than Durie hardly got more than 10 each. How can that be Scotland preferring workhouses to someone like McCoist.?
Then 86 to 89?He made a couple of substitute appearances at Mexico 86. His form 1980-1983 was patchy at times only when WAllace returned did he show the real form he was capable of and showed 77-79
A Struth-esque comment.Cooper played for the club he loved.
The rest was irrelevant.
From the arrival of Souness until his leg break in 93, the only striker to come close to McCoist was Johnston.They didn't keep him out and other than Durie hardly got more than 10 each. How can that be Scotland preferring workhouses to someone like McCoist.?
What does this even mean?Cooper was a player every nation apart from New Zealand, because football is an alien concept, would have built their entire football philosophy around. Instead we see an shitcan academy from Largs inspired a league full of players that can’t spell football never mind play the game.
We will have to agree to disagree on that, Russell was never a winger, he was one of the classiest midfielders we have had in all my time of follow following.I think my dad and I went to every domestic game that Bobby ever played, home and away. He was the best crosser of the ball and corner taker I ever knew. He was a winger and I watched almost every game he ever played - No.7 or 11.
10 caps Provan got between 79 and 82. For me Cooper was one of the most talented genuises i ever saw but also one of the laziest players i ever saw.EB
Provan had quite a few caps , plus being nowhere near as good as davie.
What does this even mean?
The Team JG inherited had a number of guys who were in their 30’s, he didn’t replace himself as a leader and the money had dried up as we redeveloped Ibrox, the result was we ended up fighting for 3rd place for 5 or 6 seasons with the odd Cup as a bonus.We were pish.
Had Davie Cooper and Bobby Russell - exceptional wing wizards who deserved so much more, and a whole load of others. Wallace left Greig with an amazing team and why we didn't win the treble in 1979-80 is ridiculous, but the famous JG was never a manager.
In the early to mid-80's all we did was sign players who had played well against us in a game.
I don't want to say it too loud in case they hear me but John Greig and Ally McCoist as managers remind me of Neil Lennon today.
Behave yourselfCooper was a player every nation apart from New Zealand, because football is an alien concept, would have built their entire football philosophy around. Instead we see an shitcan academy from Largs inspired a league full of players that can’t spell football never mind play the game.
John greig had his favourites at the club no doubt about that, davie cooper was NOT a favourite of greig.If you are old enough to remember how much the David Holmes/Graeme Souness revolution meant to the club, then you will understand why Coop was not a Scotland stalwart.
The situation with John Greig as manager was not acceptable, We had journeymen players for many years and at that time it was almost as though some fans were so switched off that they realised that continued failure was not so bad, as it meant that there would have to be a revolution.
Obviously, the revolution arrived and we really did not look back until the end of the first decade of the new millennium.
We are now at the beginning of a new revolution. This time, however, it is far more based upon business reasoning rather than having an over enthusiastic sugar daddy at the helm.
Having contrived a strategy to remove us from the top league for years, the Tims have totally blown the opportunity to sink us.
As I see it, we are witnessing the restoration of the natural order.
The sad thing is, all of the players mentioned couldn’t lace Coop’s boots.Provan played on the right, Cooper mainly on the left.
John Robertson was the main Scotland number 11, and I think Peter Weir of Aberdeen might have played a few times.
You’re seriously underestimating how good a player John Robertson was, he was central to Forest’s great success in the late 70’s.The sad thing is, all of the players mentioned couldn’t lace Coop’s boots.
For me, I reckon a sizeable amount of blame for Davie’s foibles in the 78-83 period could be laid at the door of the Greatest Ranger because he had a personal beef with him.
Not at all. John Robertson was a smashing footballer. But in terms of raw talent, not on the same level as Cooper.You’re seriously underestimating how good a player John Robertson was, he was central to Forest’s great success in the late 70’s.
I think your mistaken with the season here we won nothing 79/80 and but for that horrendous night at the piggery we would have had a treble 78/79We were pish.
Had Davie Cooper and Bobby Russell - exceptional wing wizards who deserved so much more, and a whole load of others. Wallace left Greig with an amazing team and why we didn't win the treble in 1979-80 is ridiculous, but the famous JG was never a manager.
In the early to mid-80's all we did was sign players who had played well against us in a game.
I don't want to say it too loud in case they hear me but John Greig and Ally McCoist as managers remind me of Neil Lennon today.
Absolutely, they have been to a World Cup more recently than us. He must be AustralianAnd why pick on new zealand?
McGovern captained Nottingham Forest to 2 european cup wins , never even got a single cap.You couldn’t even imagine it now, but we had some of the best players in the world at the time.
Liverpool won the 78’ European Cup, Star player? Kenny Dalglish.
Nottingham Forest won the 79’ and 80’ European Cup, star player? John Robertson.
Liverpool won the 81’ European Cup, best defender of that tournament? Alan Hansen.
Aston Villa won the 82’ European Cup, their centre back pairing? A couple of relatively unknown Scottish lads called Evans and McNaught.
Aberdeen won the Cup Winners Cup in 83’ with a team full of Scots.
Liverpool won the European Cup again in 84’, their captain and inspiration? Graeme Souness.
It really isn’t a stretch to say that from 1978 to 1984 we genuinely had the talent to win a major international competition.
John greig had his favourites at the club no doubt about that, davie cooper was NOT a favourite of greig.
The sad thing is, all of the players mentioned couldn’t lace Coop’s boots.
For me, I reckon a sizeable amount of blame for Davie’s foibles in the 78-83 period could be laid at the door of the Greatest Ranger because he had a personal beef with him.
He scored the goal that got us to a play-off v Australia.Scotland had a good team late 70's through to late 80's.
Davie suffered from inconsistency.
He was in the Mexico 86 squad after scoring the goal that got Scotland there.