How long did you think it would take us to fully recover from 2012?

NorthSideBlue

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My head told me ten years , so season 2022 for the league . However my heart said it could well be sooner . We basically did win a cup last year , it was taken away from us by Collum . Pressure now starting to build as we are approaching the point where we are absolutely choking for that feeling again of being winners .
 

DC Anchor

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In 2012 I thought minimum 5 years to get back to where we belong.
But that was if we got it right. I did not expect or understand the level of asset stripping that the Sp ivs would engage in, that has obviously cost us time & money.
Neither did I expect us to get it wrong in managers, McCoist, Warburton, Pedro, the time & money wasted on that has also set us back.
I still think we are well behind them on the field, players & manager, behind them in off field structure & behind them in finance.
W/o a significant financial investment, better players & an experienced manager I see us behind them for a while longer.
Far too many of the challenges since 2012 has been self inflicted mistakes.
 

House

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What's your point?

If the spivs didnt burn through the money on wages it would have been on something else

They would have got their pals to give us some shitty service for an exorbitant costs. Their end game was to use all pur cash as quickly as possible and steal as much of it as possible.
My point is pretty self explanatory, there was no need to have the second highest wage bill in the country while playing postmen and taxi drivers in the 4th tier of Scottish Football.

A sensibly run club would have sailed through the 3rd and 2nd divisions spending a 10th of what we spent. Money that should have been held in reserve for when we got to the top flight.

Its all woulda coulda shoulda at this point however.
 

Bigbluebear

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My point is pretty self explanatory, there was no need to have the second highest wage bill in the country while playing postmen and taxi drivers in the 4th tier of Scottish Football.

A sensibly run club would have sailed through the 3rd and 2nd divisions spending a 10th of what we spent. Money that should have been held in reserve for when we got to the top flight.

Its all woulda coulda shoulda at this point however.
You still don't get it
 

crmpicco

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I remember them them signing “here we go 10 in a row” when they were 3-0 down to Juventus, I think it was, when we were in the 3rd division and thinking to myself “no way will they win 10 in a row”. I assumed we’d be able to stop them. Naivety, I suppose.
 

crmpicco

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My head told me ten years , so season 2022 for the league . However my heart said it could well be sooner . We basically did win a cup last year , it was taken away from us by Collum . Pressure now starting to build as we are approaching the point where we are absolutely choking for that feeling again of being winners .
The LCF was a sickening blow.
 

1690

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The attitude of some on here got me worried that we might never recover - not that we really will have until 55, but winning that's now inevitable.
 

erskine bear

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I didn’t have any specific time line, I was more concerned about having a team to support tbh. This is why I don’t get on the team and managers back too much. I expect we will win a title by 2022 and I am content with that, the Pedro fiasco set us back a bit when you look and Gerrard is steadily improving us year on year.
 

erskine bear

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The only fear I felt was that we would lose a generation of ‘young bears’ coming through the ranks. During the spiv years with the boycotts I’d stand by the rails opposite the Main stand on match day and have a coffee just to watch the ‘old&bold’ walk by, not many youngsters. SG has lifted quite literally the entire club by the scruff of the neck from mediocrity and back to the what we are accustomed to. We still aren’t there but by Christ I think the current setup throughout the entire club is potentially better than anything over the past 20years. We keep going and we will get there. I feel the current COVID situation is another opportunity to bring the youth players through, we missed the opportunity in Div-3. Never forget what we have been through, it has made us stronger-we were a baw hair away from total wipeout in 2012 so in answer to the question I felt it would take a generation to recover but now I’m extremely optimistic and the old vintage engine is kicking back into gear :)
My youngest brother is finally getting into football and I was worried he wasn’t, my middle brother completely neglected football. My youngest (9 years old) is now a huge Gerrard fan boy and has been begging for me to take him to a game.
 

erskine bear

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You should look back and see the amount of young players that we tried to play through the lower divisions - very few were good enough.
I’ve argued with folk on here before about this, many young players played Little , Crawford Perry , Hutton, Murdoch, Gallagher, Hemmings, Walsh, McLeod, Mitchell, Aird, McKay and I could go on and on. Just none were good enough and I include McKay in that. If I’m correct the youth team round about that team routinely got thumped by Celtic in record defeat margins.
 

Dulce et Decorum Est

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My youngest brother is finally getting into football and I was worried he wasn’t, my middle brother completely neglected football. My youngest (9 years old) is now a huge Gerrard fan boy and has been begging for me to take him to a game.
I would say get the lad to a game but that’s not happening anytime soon. Get him watching the old matches and invest in the new Castore top for him! I was 9 years old for my first match in 92’ against Airdrie in a early season cup match, I’ve been hooked since :) It’s great to see the youngsters at Ibrox-they will be the lifeblood of the Club in years to come.
 

adamski

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How the %^*& can people still think this was a serious possibility for us?

We "wasted" nothing

McCoist fought tooth and nail just to keep us alive and then we were raped and plundered by crooks for years.

Only since Dave King got control have we been in a situation to try and be a proper football club, but it was basically starting from scratch.
People just willingly ignore we were financially raped twice
 

erskine bear

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I would say get the lad to a game but that’s not happening anytime soon. Get him watching the old matches and invest in the new Castore top for him! I was 9 years old for my first match in 92’ against Airdrie in a early season cup match, I’ve been hooked since :) It’s great to see the youngsters at Ibrox-they will be the lifeblood of the Club in years to come.
Yeah mate it’s a bit of a relief :) we watched the 4 games on BT last night and he enjoyed it, I usually buy him jack 8 on his jersey but wants Hagi this season.
 

Coisty09

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I really did think it would be 10 years and my view has not changed.
Although I hope we can do it next season I think we are probably still a little way short.
The upside of the current crisis is that I genuinely think that will be an opportunity to get out of Scotland within the next 12 months.
I can see the SPFL in its current format going to the wall.
 
10 years was my initial expectation but we were then further handicapped by the Spivs, Ashley etc and that set us back possibly 3 years. The appointment of Pedro was another setback, a whole season was a write off after 2 weeks...

Still, we are here regardless, and things can change fast in football.
 

UpperCanadianLoyal

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Little, McKay, MacLeod, Perry, Crawford, Aird, Heggarty, Hutton were all regular starters under McCoist and all products of our youth system.

Hemmings, Mitchell, Gasparotto, Cole all got a shot as well.

Plenty young players played so you are talking rubbish.

All our top youth players left.

Facts are only MacLeod shone really and he was sold at the first opportunity.

Blaming McCoist is a nonsense.
You are blinded by his goals. McCoist was terrible.
 

VelvetOrange

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I thought we would not win any majors for 5-6 years . We robbed ourselves of the chance to burst that in 2016 with the Cup v Hibs.
As for the League I never thought we would win it under Warbs (after 5-1) or Pedro(ever). I HOPED we would we win it after Dec29 this season.
Celtic still have a much stronger squad than ourselves so we might need to accept coming close next season would still be progress
I think Gerrard is the man but need to be patient.
I'm not in the slighest phased by Celtic's totting up titles. It means nothing in the context of real football history.
 

gartsherrie

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I didn’t have any specific time line, I was more concerned about having a team to support tbh. This is why I don’t get on the team and managers back too much. I expect we will win a title by 2022 and I am content with that, the Pedro fiasco set us back a bit when you look and Gerrard is steadily improving us year on year.
Totally agree - our club was on life support with less than 10% chance of survival. We should never forget how close we came to oblivion.
 

erskine bear

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Totally agree - our club was on life support with less than 10% chance of survival. We should never forget how close we came to oblivion.
I was 11 when we last one a title so obviously didn’t get to savour it as much or appreciate it as much, it just means next time we do it it’ll be all the sweeter for me personally. It’s a part of our history , a dark part but it’s there none the less.
 

Blaze Of Glory

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I remember thinking that we'd come back and be stronger than them in our first season back. My thinking was that we'd instill an Ajax style mentality in the lower leagues, play to full houses whilst paying sensible wages and creating a war chest for our first season back in the SPL to supplement a team full of home grown talent.
 

Carltonblue

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Where we are now should have maybe been 3 years ago.
Sounds about right. What I hadn’t counted on was the inability of successive managers to sign sufficient players with the mentality to be a Rangers player. Loanees and lower league English journeymen don’t seem to be the answer. The Academy is our main hope I suppose and it will need to start bearing fruit soon.
 

BlueSevenTwo

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I remember thinking that we'd come back and be stronger than them in our first season back. My thinking was that we'd instill an Ajax style mentality in the lower leagues, play to full houses whilst paying sensible wages and creating a war chest for our first season back in the SPL to supplement a team full of home grown talent.
That could/should have been the plan , home grown players or picking off the best we played against and taking them up the divisions.
 

Orange Man

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Sounds about right. What I hadn’t counted on was the inability of successive managers to sign sufficient players with the mentality to be a Rangers player. Loanees and lower league English journeymen don’t seem to be the answer. The Academy is our main hope I suppose and it will need to start bearing fruit soon.
Yes, its been there for 20 years or so.
No wonder Billy Gilmour went south.
There have been at 6 players per season that should have never been near Rangers.
Eg, barker, grezda,lafferty recently.
I think 15-18 quality players and youngsters.
 

Angrybluebear

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Little, McKay, MacLeod, Perry, Crawford, Aird, Heggarty, Hutton were all regular starters under McCoist and all products of our youth system.

Hemmings, Mitchell, Gasparotto, Cole all got a shot as well.

Plenty young players played so you are talking rubbish.

All our top youth players left.

Facts are only MacLeod shone really and he was sold at the first opportunity.

Blaming McCoist is a nonsense.
Little, McKay, Aird, Hemings, Mitchell, Gasparotto were not products of our youth system.

Heggarty played 2 games for us, Cole 3 I think.

I also think Perry and Hutton had played for the first team before McCoist took over.

That leaves Robbie Crawford and Lewis MacLeod.

So in a nutshell no offence but you are the one talking rubbish.

Clearly you can’t seperate McCoist the player from McCoist the worst manager in our history.
 

Bigbluebear

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Little, McKay, Aird, Hemings, Mitchell, Gasparotto were not products of our youth system.

Heggarty played 2 games for us, Cole 3 I think.

I also think Perry and Hutton had played for the first team before McCoist took over.

That leaves Robbie Crawford and Lewis MacLeod.

So in a nutshell no offence but you are the one talking rubbish.

Clearly you can’t seperate McCoist the player from McCoist the worst manager in our history.
Heggarty played 29 games that season.

You are arguing over semantics... that list of players were all out our youth teams so your assertion that we did not use any young players is absolute bullshit.

I'm doing nothing of the sort regarding McCoist the player and McCoist the manager.

You are rewriting history to suit an agenda against him
 

weetam3106

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I thought 8 years. I didn’t think we’d stumble on the way back up at all, I also didn’t reckon on them stealing a covid cup or did I think at 80mins HIvs were going to win a Scottish cup after we led the match.
 

BlueSevenTwo

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Little, McKay, Aird, Hemings, Mitchell, Gasparotto were not products of our youth system.

Heggarty played 2 games for us, Cole 3 I think.

I also think Perry and Hutton had played for the first team before McCoist took over.

That leaves Robbie Crawford and Lewis MacLeod.

So in a nutshell no offence but you are the one talking rubbish.

Clearly you can’t seperate McCoist the player from McCoist the worst manager in our history.
McCoist the player certainly needs separated from McCoist the manager.
 

Angrybluebear

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Heggarty played 29 games that season.

You are arguing over semantics... that list of players were all out our youth teams so your assertion that we did not use any young players is absolute bullshit.

I'm doing nothing of the sort regarding McCoist the player and McCoist the manager.

You are rewriting history to suit an agenda against him
What history am I rewriting, the facts are there in black and white.

In four seasons what youngster did McCoist develop ? What players did he leave to build on ?

You are missing the point completely. We had an opportunity to build something from scratch a squad from youth.

I was neighbours with St Mirren’s vice chairman at the time we were sent to the lowest tier of Scottish football, he was adamant our under 19 team would win the third and second division quite comfortably.

We will never know if Andy Robertson would have been a Neil McCann or Liam Burt but we never even tried.

He would rather sign a painter on £10k a week

Heggarty never came through out youth system either, so although we played the odd youngster we were picking up anything that was available there was no plan.

This is why we are where we are.
 

Bigbluebear

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What history am I rewriting, the facts are there in black and white.

In four seasons what youngster did McCoist develop ? What players did he leave to build on ?

You are missing the point completely. We had an opportunity to build something from scratch a squad from youth.

I was neighbours with St Mirren’s vice chairman at the time we were sent to the lowest tier of Scottish football, he was adamant our under 19 team would win the third and second division quite comfortably.

We will never know if Andy Robertson would have been a Neil McCann or Liam Burt but we never even tried.

He would rather sign a painter on £10k a week

Heggarty never came through out youth system either, so although we played the odd youngster we were picking up anything that was available there was no plan.

This is why we are where we are.
No it's not. Get your heard out your arse.

We got robbed, raped and pillaged by a bunch of crooks which caused us to be where we are. Not because Ally McCoist signed ian black and Kevin Kyle
 

Angrybluebear

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No it's not. Get your heard out your arse.

We got robbed, raped and pillaged by a bunch of crooks which caused us to be where we are. Not because Ally McCoist signed ian black and Kevin Kyle
McCoist took over a team that had just won a league and cup double, was in the group stages of Champions League the season before drawing with the runners up.

He took that group of players and got us pumped out of Europe twice in the one season not even winning a game. Incidentally both Malmo and Maribor ended up bottom of their Europa League groups with one point.

This was well before any of what you refer to.

As I said we were already on the slippery slope under McCoist.

Defend him all you like but I am out, the guy was out his depth
 
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