27 is not oldWhy? The other one (who I knew someone would have to mention on this thread) is about 6 or 7 years younger and had been very consistent when he was sold, albeit the buying club did get ripped off.
27 is not old
BB is very being very consistent at present
BB proving his worth on set pieces
BB crossing of a higher standard
BB doing it in Europa league
BB is a current 1st choice international
will I need any more evidence to persuade you?
Why would they for a 27 year old?It’s going to get you 4 or 5 seasons less than if you sign a 22 year old. What is it about that, which you don’t understand? Do you go out and expect to pay the same price for a younger car as you would an older car?
Barisic is one of my favourite players right now, but he’s not even had one season of consistently high performances for us. “He’s consistent and present and good at set pieces” isn’t grounds for looking for an astronomical fee, though for mid season I’d like to think the club would reject anything like £10m.
Tierney was younger though that's why I think we will have difficulty matching that price. Plus arsenal got ripped off and Celtic made out like banditsGet him to sign the new deal with us and then he’s worth £30m+
Look at what Arsenal paid for a crock
Why would they for a 27 year old?
That’s the basis of your argument is it not?
Steve Davis is 34 so on that basis I stick by my valuation of BB.
Spot onI don’t know if you’re all there mate. What’s Davis’s valuation and when has there ever been talk of selling him? But for the record, at 34 we wouldn’t command much of a fee for him at all.
You’re missing the point so not sure if you’re all there.I don’t know if you’re all there mate. What’s Davis’s valuation and when has there ever been talk of selling him? But for the record, at 34 we wouldn’t command much of a fee for him at all.
Spot on
As good as Davis is for us we'd get %^*& all of we sold him.
Might get between 100-500k depending on who comes and if they're desperate to get an experienced person in for a season or 2 but even that's probably quite high, generally speaking his value is worth 0
The thing is, Tierney is younger so there's a resale value when he does meet the potential. That's easier to get the board to allow the sale to go through and they won't mind spending a bit extra because they know they'll make money back compares to paying for barisic where there's practically no real resale value.He’s better than Tierney, plays for a much stronger national team and is in the transition of playing for a stronger club team too. He’s older and doesn’t have CL experience but has the same number of international appearances. He’ll soon likely have the edge on competitive international tournament appearances as well.
Who would you take if you were a club manager ? You could argue Tierney has more potential and more years ahead of him but most managers need instant gratification. They likely won’t be at the same club three years down the road.
It’s Borna for me. He’s worth every bit of what was paid for Tierney.
You’re missing the point so not sure if you’re all there.
You are undervaluing BB as he is 27.
My point is that 27 for a top pro today isn’t that old.
BB could easily play to the same age as Davis so a good 6/7 years left in him.
So based on today’s market I stick by my valuation.
Do you get it now?
Time For you to have a lie down mate.Christ give me a break, you have to be taking the piss mate!
Yip, it’s a big factor for sure.The thing is, Tierney is younger so there's a resale value when he does meet the potential. That's easier to get the board to allow the sale to go through and they won't mind spending a bit extra because they know they'll make money back compares to paying for barisic where there's practically no real resale value.
It's like Kent with us - he's young and he will go for a lot of money in a few years, hence we can afford to splash out £7m for him. But if he was 27 or 28, and as good as he was last season, it's unlikely we spend anywhere near that amount on him.
Aye at 21 no 30Why not? The cripple from Celtic went for £25 million or so they tell us!
Hopefully by then we‘ll have folk like Aribo, Katic, Kent all worth silly money plus whoever we bring in in the meantime. The filth seem to always manage it by using that model!Tell you what I’m fecking dreading next season. No Borna no Alfie no kamara god knows who else. Meant to be building a team although I also in fairness recognise our model
It’s going to get you 4 or 5 seasons less than if you sign a 22 year old. What is it about that, which you don’t understand? Do you go out and expect to pay the same price for a younger car as you would an older car.
But we'll lose a song.What I would say is that with each passing day, the interest from Roma seems increasingly genuine and not some made up media pish. They really want our Borna.
I think the "not for sale at any price" rhetoric is admirable but unrealistic. If Roma do slap a 20 mil + bid on the table (which I'd hope would be our very minimum asking price in this window) then our board would have a hell of a call to make. A bid which more than doubles our biggest ever outgoing transfer fee, represents ten times what we paid for him and single handedly secures the operating budget for the next year at least? It would be mighty tempting from a business perspective, no doubt about it. And as good as BB is, left back is not traditionally seen as a position which makes or breaks your title challenge (although I absolutely appreciate what he brings to the team overall).
Theres also a lot that can happen between now and the summer. He doesn't sign an extension; loss of form / poor Euros; a bad injury (god forbid). Any or all of them could mean that we won't see that level of bid come in again, all of which the board will likely need to take into consideration and weigh up against the value in retaining him for our big title push.
I love the guy and hope Borna goes nowhere. I'm sure both the gaffer and BB himself feel the same. But as it stands, there is still a possibility that he goes in the next few weeks imo, depending on how serious Roma are in their pursuit.
You’d pay more for a second hand Lambo than you would a brand new Skoda.
More relevantly you’d probably also pay more for a 32 year old Lionel Messi than you would a 22 year old Ousmane Dembele.
Does the player even want to move?
Wouldn’t be surprised if the agent is stirring it a bit to get him a pay riseOnly Borna and his representatives will really know, but it certainly doesn't look like it going by his on field displays and attitude.
I think this is highly likely. So far there’s been nothing official at all, no quotes, nothing. Which makes me think the agent puts in a call to a few journalists who run the story. Then the same agent sits down with Stewart Robertson, Ross Wilson etc to discuss Borna’s new deal on a significantly higher salary.Wouldn’t be surprised if the agent is stirring it a bit to get him a pay rise
Agreed. Just because Arsenal took leave of their senses and paid £25million for an injured full back doesn’t mean anyone else will be so stupid.Tierney was a massive error by Arsenal, I can’t see a mistake like that happening again any time soon, we need to keep Borna at least until the end of the season, then see what offers we get.
This nonsense about saying we can’t turn down profits on certain players exasperates me. As if the fact we paid relatively little for Kamara , Morelos or Barisic means we should accept less because the price (almost irrespective of what that price is ) represents almost pure profit. Surely it’s clear the price we paid matters not a jot when it comes to a player’s price and really it’s all about how much he is worth NOW. That price should take into account how much it would cost to replace him (with all the uncertainty that entails ) plus the level he is presently performing at now and of course how important he his to the team and what his loss would mean. Also extra profit should be built in for the risk we take in letting the player go.His previous price paid by us is irrelevant.