Illegal stream organisation jailed for total of 17 years

Tommy WATP

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I used to pay £65 a month for Sky and around £10 for Setanta when it was around. My satellite dish in Croatia allowed me the luxury to pick up a fair selection of channels from the UK. When Sky moved to a new satellite the footprint would have required a 4 metre dish not the 1 metre dish I used.

Dumped the lot a few years back and went cable here. I now pay equivalent total of £15 a month (2 providers) for around 16 sports channels who show all Euro leagues bar Bundesliga. Get more live EPL games than you get in the UK, La Liga, Serie A, Dutch, Greek, Belgian, almost all leagues. Any SPFL game on Sky or BT is also shown live. Almost all Euro qualifiers are on live this weekend (even San Marino ffs!). Got the 6 Nations, F1, Moto GP, NHL, NBA, Tennis galore, etc. Granted commentary is in Croatian but I can live with that. I also pay an added €2 a month for Eurosports.
That is ridiculous value for money when you compare it to a UK subscription to get the same amount of content
 

bobally

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That is ridiculous value for money when you compare it to a UK subscription to get the same amount of content
My total internet package that includes unlimited wifi, landline phone and the tv is around £45 a month (gives me around 100 other channels as well as sports package). The 'box' I have is free and installed/replaced for free if need be. My landline gives me 500 free minutes calls anywhere in Europe and 50 minutes free to North America. Suits us perfectly and very happy with it.
Mind you the missus complains about the cost of the sports package as she says I am always down the local cafe bar watching it on their tv :)
 

Craig

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The court heard how broadcasters such as Sky TV lost more than £10 million pounds in revenue as a result of the scam.
Absolute bollox. That figure is based on all pubs using dodgy boxes having legitimate Sky in place.

The fact is that most would never have subscribed - so Sky didn't actually lose anything.

Shocking sentences and I'd be surprised if they didn't appeal.
 

Craig

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Why should they not Pay?
What I meant was that if they didn't have a dodgy box then it doesn't necessarily mean they would legally subscribe.

The main issue is because of Skys way of pricing is based mainly on the rateable value of the pub - which in no way determines if a pub can afford the costs involved. There needs to be a way of making the pricing structure fairer.

I'm not saying using illegal is right but I can understand why people choose to use them.
 

Ubik

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Hardly anyone streams or downloads music illegally, in fact the emergence of streaming services has almost obliterated illegal music downloads.

When was the last time anyone actually seen an mp3? Compare that to a decade ago and I had gigabytes worth of music. It’s a pain in the arse these days
there's nothing in this post thats accurate.
 

Kirbys House

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Hardly anyone streams or downloads music illegally, in fact the emergence of streaming services has almost obliterated illegal music downloads.

When was the last time anyone actually seen an mp3? Compare that to a decade ago and I had gigabytes worth of music. It’s a pain in the arse these days
Limewire 2002, ended up with Pam Am's sex tape; good times.
 
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Kirbys House

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Done what? Watched pirate streams? Never mate. The wife (no pics) is a lawyer and is para about dodgy stuff. If you get convicted, there is a fair chance you can get struck off and lose your career.

The only time I have seen them is in a pub and even at that I didn’t go for that reason.
Fair play then mate, I assumed 90% that knew how to access them did. I understand why you wouldn't.
 

Superrangers

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Fair play then mate, I assumed 90% that knew how to access them did. I understand why you wouldn't.
I am also a bit old fashioned when it comes to stuff. I feel the same about illegal streams as I do about the whole sense of entitlement, stuff like fans thinking they can just park at the supermarket, without shopping there and just go to the game, etc.

The old fashioned hard work ethic has gone and we now have far too many who just think the world owes them and they deserve everything laid on a plate and for free.
 

Superrangers

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I've grown up with Napster then Limewire then torrents so probably see it differently.

Wouldn't say I lack work ethic though just cos I know how to get a few streams online.
Re the work ethic thing is more a societal thing, people working hard to afford what they could years ago, compared to people now just trying to take what they can (not being specific to you bud).
 

BobbyShearer

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I am also a bit old fashioned when it comes to stuff. I feel the same about illegal streams as I do about the whole sense of entitlement, stuff like fans thinking they can just park at the supermarket, without shopping there and just go to the game, etc.

The old fashioned hard work ethic has gone and we now have far too many who just think the world owes them and they deserve everything laid on a plate and for free.
It’s an interesting argument about entitlement.
It’s also a pretty good moral discussion on the whole.

My one and only standpoint is that if a Rangers fan wants to watch the team play but can’t afford to because sky has decided to contribute towards paying jobbing EPL midfielders 80k a week and BT have gone balls out in a CL blind tender process?

I can’t bring myself to condemn him finding other means to do so.

And we can’t say “ah well in that case but others can and choose not to” because the problem is not “society” the problem is the pricing and insane levels of cash being thrown around TV and football boardrooms across Europe.
 

Superrangers

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It’s an interesting argument about entitlement.
It’s also a pretty good moral discussion on the whole.

My one and only standpoint is that if a Rangers fan wants to watch the team play but can’t afford to because sky has decided to contribute towards paying jobbing EPL midfielders 80k a week and BT have gone balls out in a CL blind tender process?

I can’t bring myself to condemn him finding other means to do so.

And we can’t say “ah well in that case but others can and choose not to” because the problem is not “society” the problem is the pricing and insane levels of cash being thrown around TV and football boardrooms across Europe.
It is an interesting topic.

I do think the whole issue of broadcast rights needs looked at. Realistically, in this day and age, fans should be able to buy games or packages for sides, say for example a Rangers league package giving all league or domestic games for a certain amount. Even if the cost was £300-400 a year, most people would be able to afford it, especially if payments were weekly/monthly.
 

Kirbys House

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Re the work ethic thing is more a societal thing, people working hard to afford what they could years ago, compared to people now just trying to take what they can (not being specific to you bud).
I don't disagree (although my auld da is asking me to 'sort one of they fire sticks' for his watching & he's worked all his days so...)
 

_DON_

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In terms of football, if the product is good and people can see where the money is going they will pay of the premium service. However, with SKY and BT, SKY in particular, you can see your money flowing south of the border to fund a league of millionaires, whilst our own league and club starves itself to death.
 

Superrangers

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I don't disagree (although my auld da is asking me to 'sort one of they fire sticks' for his watching & he's worked all his days so...)
Haha, something mildly amusing about that, despite the bigger argument.

I am 43 and am probably of the last generation before the real computer generations (although we had a rubber-keyed Spectrum from 1982 or so.

The sad thing is my old man worked all his days and being a sparky, ended up having to work away from home in his 50’s, for a couple of years as there just weren’t the jobs in Fife at the time. Consequently he had a mobile phone in the early days of mobile phones but would never have been on the internet. I find that sad in a way.
 

dazzapat

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As I’ve said above, and the poster in Croatia has confirmed, we are being ripped off here.

People on the continent pay between €15 and €30 a month to watch pretty much every game, we get shafted for £60 a month with no 3pm’s.....
 

das

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I used to pay £65 a month for Sky and around £10 for Setanta when it was around. My satellite dish in Croatia allowed me the luxury to pick up a fair selection of channels from the UK. When Sky moved to a new satellite the footprint would have required a 4 metre dish not the 1 metre dish I used.

Dumped the lot a few years back and went cable here. I now pay equivalent total of £15 a month (2 providers) for around 16 sports channels who show all Euro leagues bar Bundesliga. Get more live EPL games than you get in the UK, La Liga, Serie A, Dutch, Greek, Belgian, almost all leagues. Any SPFL game on Sky or BT is also shown live. Almost all Euro qualifiers are on live this weekend (even San Marino ffs!). Got the 6 Nations, F1, Moto GP, NHL, NBA, Tennis galore, etc. Granted commentary is in Croatian but I can live with that. I also pay an added €2 a month for Eurosports.
The commentary is no good anyway as you can't hear it for you yelling at the TV usually :)):))
 

Crown_Defender

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Illegal steaming would always go on but nowhere near to the same scale if the TV companies and leagues weren’t so greedy imo.

I know it all comes down to consumer choice but the Premier Sports/BT subscriptions are just a complete nonsense.
 

Sir Sasa Papac

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there's nothing in this post thats accurate.
Spotify 191million active users
Apple Music 56million active users
YouTube
Amazon Music
Deezer

But aye you’re right pal everyone’s still on a PC using a VPN downloading Metallica off Napster. Me and my pals are always sharing torrent files these days. Love that Bebo tae
 

Souness86

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Spotify 191million active users
Apple Music 56million active users
YouTube
Amazon Music
Deezer

But aye you’re right pal everyone’s still on a PC using a VPN downloading Metallica off Napster. Me and my pals are always sharing torrent files these days. Love that Bebo tae
Can you send me their new track through MSN messenger mate?
 

iaatpies

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As I’ve said above, and the poster in Croatia has confirmed, we are being ripped off here.

People on the continent pay between €15 and €30 a month to watch pretty much every game, we get shafted for £60 a month with no 3pm’s.....
All about market demand.

There's a demand for UK football from UK fans. Firms can therefore charge a premium. You wouldn't be paying Sky Sports and BT sports prices if they didnt show UK football. It's why foreign TV rights don't bring in the same money as UK ones. They might bring in a decent amount but it's nowhere near domestic TV rights because the market in those countries is nowhere near as strong. We wouldn't pay the same for Bundesliga coverage as the Germans would - the market here for televised German football simply isnt as strong.

Long term the future of subscription sports channels is in doubt. You see that with the rise of Netflix. People will pay for content but they expect it to be on demand and to be more personal to them. Apple are setting up their own streaming service. Amazon already has Prime. It's entirely foreseeable that the future of sports coverage is streaming. Big American sports already sell their online offering to the world. I can order NFL or NHL's web streaming services. Thats the way football is heading and the global market will pick and choose from fewer providers who can negotiate rights on a global scale.
 
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