Is this the day that isolation of “the 5” ends?

ronadamus_prime

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After the carry on this weekend with the SFA having to apologise to two SPFL clubs for allowing two refereeing officials to breach their own Covid protocols. I'm interested to see how they play this. Two wrongs don't make a right, but they clearly have zero moral high ground when it comes to Covid rules and regulations. I'd expect it'll be a similar length ban as the Bolingoli and Aberdeen 8 instances last year. I certainly don't see it being as heavy handed or as excessive as the Jones and Edmundson instance.

Still a lot of unanswered questions surrounding the Dubai debacle as well.
 

Jamie-b1954

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It'll be interesting to see how this plays out. After the debacle with the officials, any protocols that were in place have been breached by the ruling body. In my opinion we shouldn't play them, they have broken our own rules
 

bkkbear

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Double jeapordy? Already dealt with by police (and the club) so do the sfa rules allow further action? Especially given the delay and the games they already had to miss.
 

Ambiorix

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Poor Timmy.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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What's this mate?
Not getting the attention it deserves

 

Kirbys House

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The linesman in the Hibs game broke isolation rules, shouldn’t have been at the game because he was supposed to be in his house :))
Not getting the attention it deserves

Haha what a mess up (dunno how I missed it tbh!)
 

Jase

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If they have to, the SFA will suspend the linesman for 10 weeks just so they can hammer our lads.

Have to say, I’ve no sympathy with the eejits.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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If they have to, the SFA will suspend the linesman for 10 weeks just so they can hammer our lads.

Have to say, I’ve no sympathy with the eejits.

They cant m8, The Ref and linesman raised concerns with the SFA. The SFA told them to go ahead and they were cleared under UEFA protocols. As highlighted here



However they were looking at the wrong protocols would you believe. Honestly not making it up.
 

bilkobear

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The club have to be serious about punishment in this matter.
These idiots could have collapsed our season.
As days go by, this incident doesn't become less grievous and other players have to know that there can be no repeat.

However, the SFA are hamstrung by their attitude to the Dubai debacle.
The picture of Lennon and the Filth captain lying next to each other at a poolside quaffing beer makes giving Rangers players a seven-game ban very difficult when such bans were not given across the city.

It would be tantamount to saying that getting together for a beer is okay as long as you leave the country, even if you do bring covid back in, but getting together and socialising in Scotland will see the full weight of the SFA disciplinary system brought upon your heads.

Of course, the SFA are hypocritical bstrds in the habit of treating clubs other than The Filth differently and this is no level playing field, but it will be an interesting watch to see where they dare go with this nonetheless.
 

dh1963

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The club have to be serious about punishment in this matter.
These idiots could have collapsed our season.
As days go by, this incident doesn't become less grievous and other players have to know that there can be no repeat.

However, the SFA are hamstrung by their attitude to the Dubai debacle.
The picture of Lennon and the Filth captain lying next to each other at a poolside quaffing beer makes giving Rangers players a seven-game ban very difficult when such bans were not given across the city.

It would be tantamount to saying that getting together for a beer is okay as long as you leave the country, even if you do bring covid back in, but getting together and socialising in Scotland will see the full weight of the SFA disciplinary system brought upon your heads.

Of course, the SFA are hypocritical bstrds in the habit of treating clubs other than The Filth differently and this is no level playing field, but it will be an interesting watch to see where they dare go with this nonetheless.
The players drinking in the bar was worse.
Indoors where transmission is much easier, and you can see members of the public close by.

You are obviously right but the authorities in recent years have shown repeatedly there is one harsher rule for Rangers than anyone else.
 

Macdonsj

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The players drinking in the bar was worse.
Indoors where transmission is much easier, and you can see members of the public close by.

You are obviously right but the authorities in recent years have shown repeatedly there is one harsher rule for Rangers than anyone else.

RefGate -> Dubai -> Bolingoli -> Aberdeen 8 -> Edmundson/Jones -> these 5 idiots
in order of seriousness

so far in order of punishment

Jones/Edmundson -> Bolingoli -> Aberdeen8
 
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bilkobear

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The players drinking in the bar was worse.
Indoors where transmission is much easier, and you can see members of the public close by.

You are obviously right but the authorities in recent years have shown repeatedly there is one harsher rule for Rangers than anyone else.
I think our club are watching and waiting for the bstrds to act and then we will hopefully call them out for their hypocrisy.
The SFA really have fckd themselves in this matter.
 

last minute signing

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Given where we are in the domestic season, it’d be OK to see the players hammered by the SFA. We can then say we agree with the punishment while then further calling out inconsistencies with other breaches, which have been publicly admitted by Celtic and the SFA. Why are only Rangers being punished etc.

Will be interesting to see if Patterson / Bassey / Zungu makes the bench on Thursday.
 

mark hateley

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So if the 5 were together in a private house, it isnt any worse than being at training unless there was external people there too.

Still they were idiots.

Patterson would be feeling it the worst. But I'm glad he will.
 

tcbuzz

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Gerard stated we were talking to the SFA about what was happening with the players - that was almost a week ago. Normally we don't discuss punishments with the SFA - we just receive them and appeal them.

I think, and its only my opinion, is that we have told the SFA that our lawyers are watching and until they punish Celtc for Dubai, we will not accept any punishment for our players. This weekends Madden debacle has strengthened our case.

We will punish them internally, make them miss 3 games, and bring them back in to the squad.
 

kensington blue nose

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Does anyone actually know what this so called "party" consisted of?
Am I right in saying that 10 penalty notices were handed out by the police? If so, and there were 5 Rangers players there, it would seem to me to be 5 players and their other halves?? = 10 people. So, was it just our players and birds gathering, or was it a big rager of a party?
Seems to me to be the first option and this is being blown way out of proportion when you consider Dubai etc...
 

CraigM14

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The SFA allowing those officials to do the game on Sat has put them in a really difficult position. As stated earlier in the thread, we as a club have done everything by the book, so I’d expect this to be the end of the matter with internal fines and suspensions
 

Macdonsj

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Does anyone actually know what this so called "party" consisted of?
Am I right in saying that 10 penalty notices were handed out by the police? If so, and there were 5 Rangers players there, it would seem to me to be 5 players and their other halves?? = 10 people. So, was it just our players and birds gathering, or was it a big rager of a party?
Seems to me to be the first option and this is being blown way out of proportion when you consider Dubai etc...

thats what it sounds like
5 dafties with other halves meeting for a dinner and a game of FIFA

should've gone to a winter training camp in a Covid hotspot, drank like %^*&, mixed with non-elite sports people, go home on a charter flight & simply test negative and play
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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The SFA allowing those officials to do the game on Sat has put them in a really difficult position. As stated earlier in the thread, we as a club have done everything by the book, so I’d expect this to be the end of the matter with internal fines and suspensions

They brought the game into disrepute, A new referee had to be called. The linesman at the Hamilton game should have been isolating. Imagine if any now tests positive.
 

Bulldog_72

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Moral high ground will be taken now.You know it I know it.Already had that ginger clown from the greens hot out with the”shouldn’t be allowed to play again this season”pish.Fu*k em!Club have fined them police have fined them and sfa with deal with them.Fu*k the rest of them.
Is that Ross Greer the MSP or Neil Lennon?
 

Don Vito

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Rangers fans will expect the club to punish the players in accordance with the higher standards we expect from them. If that is to our detriment on the pitch regards cover at full back, then so be it.
Let others act cynically, THEM over Dubai, Sheep bleating about their players being hard done by for example. It might be galling for the fans that others don’t act ethically, but surely we’re better than that as an institution, we hold ourselves to a higher standard
However, anyone expecting the club to be acknowledged for doing so better not hold their breath, the media will just return to another negative issue to kick us with.
 

Valley Bluenose

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what your views on referee coronagate? always interested in your thoughts.
I've not looked into it too much mate (though I did see your thread early doors). So excuse me if I've missed some obvious stuff. First thing that came into my head was that when the Linesman was told on Wednesday that he'd tested positive would his first reaction not be to phone the other two and tell them that? Now if a mate of mine, whom I'd been in close contact with, phoned me and said that then I'd know I had to isolate. I wouldn't be waiting for Track and Trace or anybody else to tell me, I'd be straight into isolation. So there's questions there for Madden and the second Assistant in my view.

As for the 'differing protocols' nonsense from the SFA I don't buy it. Common sense tells you that if you've been in close contact with someone who tested positive you need to isolate. Doesn't matter if you subsequently test negative, doesn't matter if T&T are involved, doesn't matter if you are Elite Sport or not - you isolate. See Tierney and Armstrong for examples, or the Scottish u21 squad.

So, major f*ck-ups all around. I'd ban/suspend the officials. What to do with those responsible at the SFA though? The same I guess. Suspended for incompetence whilst an investigation goes on into whether they are fit to remain in position.
 

Porto Loyal

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. I'd expect it'll be a similar length ban as the Bolingoli and Aberdeen 8 instances last year. I certainly don't see it being as heavy handed or as excessive as the Jones and Edmundson instance.
I'm expecting at least as heavy as Jones etc if not more, as we were in a much higher level of legal lockdown than then
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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I've not looked into it too much mate (though I did see your thread early doors). So excuse me if I've missed some obvious stuff. First thing that came into my head was that when the Linesman was told on Wednesday that he'd tested positive would his first reaction not be to phone the other two and tell them that? Now if a mate of mine, whom I'd been in close contact with, phoned me and said that then I'd know I had to isolate. I wouldn't be waiting for Track and Trace or anybody else to tell me, I'd be straight into isolation. So there's questions there for Madden and the second Assistant in my view.

As for the 'differing protocols' nonsense from the SFA I don't buy it. Common sense tells you that if you've been in close contact with someone who tested positive you need to isolate. Doesn't matter if you subsequently test negative, doesn't matter if T&T are involved, doesn't matter if you are Elite Sport or not - you isolate. See Tierney and Armstrong for examples, or the Scottish u21 squad.

So, major f*ck-ups all around. I'd ban/suspend the officials. What to do with those responsible at the SFA though? The same I guess. Suspended for incompetence whilst an investigation goes on into whether they are fit to remain in position.

Thats it m8, but the refs did follow protocol as advisied by the governing bodies (Their employers). They informed one another and were told by the SFA that UEFA guidelines allowed them to participate as they had retuned negatives tests.

As you say why not use common sense. However again the SFA said that UEFA protocols gave them the all clear. Wrong protocols they were following jeez.

The bit I say smacks of depression and lies, is the timeframe.

From the first linesman returning a positive, the second linesman running the line there after and then Madden on Sunday.

The Scottish FA PR man Daryl Broadfoot on BBC sport sound tried to justify and in all honesty it either makes the Scottish FA liars or incompetent. That thread I started has all the details.
 

Valley Bluenose

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Thats it m8, but the refs did follow protocol as advisied by the governing bodies (Their employers). They informed one another and were told by the SFA that UEFA guidelines allowed them to participate as they had retuned negatives tests.

As you say why not use common sense. However again the SFA said that UEFA protocols gave them the all clear. Wrong protocols they were following jeez.

The bit I say smacks of depression and lies, is the timeframe.

From the first linesman returning a positive, the second linesman running the line there after and then Madden on Sunday.

The Scottish FA PR man Daryl Broadfoot on BBC sport sound tried to justify and in all honesty it either makes the Scottish FA liars or incompetent. That thread I started has all the details.
Broadfoot is a complete and utter bellend. Made my blood boil every time I've heard him on SportSound. I know he was once employed by them but is he still with the SFA? Must admit I thought he had been moved on.
 

BlueKeld

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Likely it has been mentioned, but by the rules of consistency the SFA can not punish them, if they didn’t punish the scum for their Dubai capers.

It really is that simple.
 

Billiericky

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One thing I found interesting last night was Broadfoot stating that referees and linesmen are not employed by the SFA, they are self employed (then he muttered 'kind of').

Sounds like a bit of a tax dodge, the SFA seeking to avoid NIC and tax?

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Valley Bluenose

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See post 28.
Were the other 5 just other halves?
If so, surely it is not in line with the other breaches of protocols?
Personally I'm not going to get overly involved in what others did. Five of our players, despite seeing what happened to Jones/Edmundson, and having had the law laid down to them frequently and forcefully by the Club, chose to think they were above it all and ignore everything they were told. That's all that matters to me. There's lots of different views on the necessity for the various restrictions imposed by the Government on here but, fact is, these guys went against our club - never mind anything set down by Government.

I've seen other posts go on about 'bubbles' etc. Their Elite Sport bubble only applies when at Auchenhowie or when playing matches. They aren't even allowed to car share with each other on the way to training, never mind meet up in each others homes. To then have a 'gathering' of at least 5 separate households, maybe 10 different households, is just madness. No excuses.
 
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