He's on course to have won nine out of the last twelve league titles he's competed for, yet we have folk saying that he has underwhelmed.
Madness.
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3 months in the job. Absolutely not.Took over in January and was 9th place, leaking goals, weak in attack and looking terrible.
Now firmly in the top 4, in the final of the FA Cup, final of the CL, and 11 clean sheets in 15 EPL games - another record.
Playing constant passing from the back, strong going forward, always playing quality football.
First manager to get to the CL final twice in succession with different teams too.
Right now I would assume?Thought that. Cheers.
Right now I would assume?
I've hardly watched MOTD this season, but in the few times I have this year he seems to have transformed Chelsea. Whether Lampard wasn't experienced enough or just doesn't have it as a manager time will tell.
But you can't argue with his record.
He seems in such a short time to have transformed Mason Mount from being a great kid with potential to a young player on the cusp of genuine world class.
That touch the other week (can't remember who against?) when he trapped the ball out of nowhere and the slide rule pass to allow Havertz? into score was genuinely the real deal.
I don't think he'll find City so easy easy to play against in the CL final as he did in the FA cup semi, when they deservedly won and Sterling should have been shot post match. Or possibly pre.
As I said I haven't seen much of MOTD all seasson, so I'll take your word on Kante bud.Mount has always been tidy tbf. Tuchel has just made him look even better. He's the link player England have been lacking for years.
If you're highlighting a player under Tuchel at Chelsea, then it has to be Kante. He's been messed about by clueless managers for years, but he has found him a role and is now playing to his full potential.
I can't think of many better footballers than Kante since January. He's been utterly world-class.
As I said I haven't seen much of MOTD all seasson, so I'll take your word on Kante bud.
As you say MM has always looked the part, but seems to have moved up several gears from what I've seen.
There's a decent case for it. I rate Pep highly but could he come in halfway through a season and turn a club around the way Tuchel has?
Based on no evidence?He’s never been sacked like Tuchel has so until that happens we’ll never know. But I’d assume so.
Simeone is the best bar noneHe’s a very good manager but Pep Guardiola says hello.
Pep is a top manager but, and I think this is especially true at Bayern, he can’t be considered a success. He took over an all conquering team and didn’t really improve them. In fact they went backwards in Europe. I think teams bring him in to make them dominant in Europe. He sold off guys like TK and made Bayern well Bayern. They were already the strongest team in Germany. The fact that they’re now closing in on 9IAR shows that.Record points total with City among other records broken. He was also the first manager to do 3 in a row in Germany since the 80’s. Implemented a style of football at each of his clubs that people once speculated would never work outside of Barca and away from their la masia graduates.
I get that he’s spent money, but so do all the top clubs, they all spend fortunes. And Guardiola’s record signing at City is Dias at £64m. He never goes out and looks to buy the Messi’s, Ronaldo’s and Neymar’s but rather buys the Jesus’s, Sane’s and Fernandinho’s; players absolutely no one would have marked as the best in their positions when they were bought. He takes players and brings them up a level which is the mark of a brilliant manager.
What if Chelsea beat them?Yep
1st champ league final in a decade and having only spent 1Billion
Everyone else in the Premiership is spending ridiculous amounts of money as well. Their net spend this year was 80 million odd - 5th highest in the league. Wages and cumulative spend i get, but look at United as an example of spending money not ensuring success. I really don’t like City, but they 3 league titles in 5 years and a possible CL is a legacy.Like I’ve said, the money they’ve spent...it’s obscene. And questionable.
Nobody else should have been able to touch city in his tenure. They’ve had these strange “off” seasons that you’re happy to ignore.
And consistent failings in Europe of course. Which I believe will continue. I expect we’ll be seeing Tuchel lifting the European cup at the end of this month. It possibly won’t be pretty, much like when he outthought Pep in the FA cup just recently. But I expect it to be effective nonetheless.
Happily we have a dress rehearsal Tommorow and I think Chelsea will come out on top there also. It will be a real marker for next season I expect Chelsea to lay down
Pep is still the 'king' amongst football managers.Took over in January and was 9th place, leaking goals, weak in attack and looking terrible.
Now firmly in the top 4, in the final of the FA Cup, final of the CL, and 11 clean sheets in 15 EPL games - another record.
Playing constant passing from the back, strong going forward, always playing quality football.
First manager to get to the CL final twice in succession with different teams too.
Agreed this time last season Klopp was getting talked about as best in the world.Pep is held to a ridiculous standard that no other manager in world football is.
He's still the best in the world for my money although Tuchel has done an excellent job since his arrival.
Pep is a top manager but, and I think this is especially true at Bayern, he can’t be considered a success. He took over an all conquering team and didn’t really improve them. In fact they went backwards in Europe. I think teams bring him in to make them dominant in Europe. He sold off guys like TK and made Bayern well Bayern. They were already the strongest team in Germany. The fact that they’re now closing in on 9IAR shows that.
His record at City is okay. Again he was brought in to win the CL and I suspect he will do that this year (although I want Chelsea to win it). He has done some great football along the way but in my opinion the record breaking side should be going for 4 in a row. I’m sure there is a crazy stat about them spending £400m on defence alone under his watch. Making teams very strong domestically seems to be his speciality. Arguably a better achievement at City compared to Bayern or Barca.
However, Barca were different and there is no doubt he was truly special there. People will debate how good he was in regards to the players already there etc but he was innovative and won the CL and made them the team to beat. It took a JM Madrid to stop their domestic dominance. I consider that a good achievement based purely on how good Barca were. Barca remained strong after he left too.
You can’t dispute his record and it’s clear he is in one of the best. Watching him on All or Nothing shows that. He was at teams that were expected to win or be near the top at least. Klopp’s transformation of Liverpool (despite being poor this season) has been noteworthy, Tuchel has been solid at Chelsea. He’s not won as much as Pep, and most of it was won at PSG. I commented about Pep at Bayern and the same criticism of Tuchel can be made here. TT is a long way from being the best. He needs to win a CL and an EPL before he can be considered a success at Chelsea. I hope he gets the CL this year (because I like Chelsea). Will he win the league? I think it has to be considered. He has a great team and he seems to be getting the best out of them.
TL, DR Tuchel is nowhere near it. Pep is the best in the EPL at the moment.
That goes with the ridiculous amount of money he has at his disposal.Pep is held to a ridiculous standard that no other manager in world football is.
He's still the best in the world for my money although Tuchel has done an excellent job since his arrival.
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Agreed this time last season Klopp was getting talked about as best in the world.
That goes with the ridiculous amount of money he has at his disposal.
No, that would be Steven Gerrard.No, that would be Pep Guardiola.
Ridiculous amounts compared to other big clubs in Europe ?
It's not Pep spending £85m on Harry Maguire or £72m on Nicolas Pepe in the EPL. Or £100m+ on a 33 year Cristiano Ronaldo.
Man City do spend ridiculous amounts of money I don’t think that is up for debate so he should be under more pressure than most Club’s.Ridiculous amounts compared to other big clubs in Europe ?
It's not Pep spending £85m on Harry Maguire or £72m on Nicolas Pepe in the EPL. Or £100m+ on a 33 year Cristiano Ronaldo.
He was the first bundesliga manager in several decades to win 3 titles in row. He made them the dominant domestic side they are. Should have done better in the CL to be fair, but then there’s a reason no one had ever retained that trophy until recently, and even Real Madrid needed huge strokes of luck to do it (like coming up against a Bayern side who were missing their two best players in Robben and Ribery). If situations were reversed and Bayern have Robben and Ribery and Madrid were missing Ronaldo and Modric (or Ramos) I get the feeling the outcome would have been quite different.
I don’t get the idea that he should be winning 4 or 5 titles in a row with City either, even Chelsea couldn’t do that when they were comfortably outspending everyone. And last season Guardiola lost the league to a manager who spent more on one solitary defender than Pep has ever spent on any player.
It’s like I said, he doesn’t go out and spend £150-200m on the players deemed to be the top 3 in the world in their position, but that’s the implication that seems to be made by folk who over simply football and take the view that the side who’s spent the most should be finishing above the rest (at times I wished football did work that way, that means we wouldn’t have finished behind Aberdeen twice in recent years, and we wouldn’t have had a second season in the championship either). As @SDF said, Guardiola seems to be held to an unrealistic standard that no other coach is.
Pep's Bayern team is weirdly underrated. He took German football to another level.