Joint response group update - Celtic v St Mirren and Aberdeen both off

bigy said:

Coronavirus Joint Response Group Update – 11 August | Scottish FA | News

www.scottishfa.co.uk www.scottishfa.co.uk

Ronseal - Aberdeen v Hamilton also off.

Only Celtic could get praised by the SFA for playing an ineligible player!!

Rod Petrie, Chair of the JRG: “The Joint Response Group has acted swiftly and decisively in addressing the latest concerns raised by the minister on behalf of Scottish Government. While the decision to postpone these games is deeply regrettable nevertheless in the circumstances it is unavoidable and uncontestable.

“The JRG members were astounded to learn of the recklessness demonstrated by Boli Bolingoli-Mbombo in his breach of government public health guidance and football protocols. We echo the sentiments of Celtic FC in their condemnatory statement and commend the club’s swiftness in opening a disciplinary investigation.
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Where is the investigation into Celtic Rod? You know, like the invesigation into Aberdeen or the "probe" into Rangers the other week after our Motherwell game was delayed. Two faced runt.
 
academical said:
From an Accies POV, why is our fixture getting postponed? That doesn’t suit us.

Surely the rules state that if a team is unable to fulfil a fixture, then they forfeit the match? Aberdeen 0-3 Accies.

Is the Scottish Government telling them not to play, and that’s their get-out? Still don’t see why Accies should be penalised.
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It’s up to the accies board to push this and ask the questions.
 
academical said:
We need a clear statement from the SPFL about how matters like this will be consistently handled across the season.

If there’s a change to the rule that a team unable to fulfil a fixture forfeits it, then on what basis? By what process was that approved? If teams have to quarantine, surely teams they inadvertently expose (Kilmarnock) have to quarantine too? What’s Kilmarnock’s compensation?

In the absence of a clear statement, they may as well abandon the season now. These won’t be the last incidents.
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Playing devil's advocate - would you be happy if Ross County and St Mirren were awarded 3-0 wins against Aberdeen and Celtic? Do you think that would put Hamilton at a disadvantage in the relegation fight?

I appreciate it's not Hamilton's fault - but the benefit to them would be huge. As it would St Mirren with a 3-0 win v Celtic.
 
Is Celtic v Aberdeen postponed because of what Boli done? or would it have been postponed anyway for what Aberdeen done?

Aberdeen would have still been in the 14 day isolation. If it would have been postponed anyway if Boli never happened then surely Celtic would need to islolate for 14 days from when Boli got home?.
 
Can't agree with those calling for a forfeit. Didn't think it was right for the sheep and don't think it's right for the bheggars.

Don't get me wrong I am fully aware of the actions of the various players that led to games being postponed but severe punishment of this nature sets a dangerous precedent.

There will, in all probability, be future cases which may not be quite as black and white as these two issues. There will undoubtedly be grey areas and potentially you have clubs calling for other clubs and individual players to be punished in the same way. Potentially punishing people for getting sick which doesn't sit right.

More important, however, was the statement from nasty Nic about this being a yellow card and next time it will be red. This has the potential to end the season and, with the obvious financial implications, seriously damage most clubs, including our own, and, potentially, finish a few.

That may appeal to some but not me. We need a suitable punishment for those clubs in breach and it made clear that further issues will, undoubtedly, lead to an indefinite suspension of all games.

What is a suitable punishment? Heavy fine (both club and players), games cancelled for a period (I would have went for 2 weeks instead of 1) and the cancelled games scheduled for the weekend of last seasons Scottish Cup SF's and Final with the cup being withheld as a result. It's the only way to avoid a fixture backlog.
 
LOL! Seems that 'random' fixtures computer has come back to bite them on the arse. We would have been due to play them this weekend Matchday 4 just like the previous two seasons.
 
academical said:
From an Accies POV, why is our fixture getting postponed? That doesn’t suit us.

Surely the rules state that if a team is unable to fulfil a fixture, then they forfeit the match? Aberdeen 0-3 Accies.

Is the Scottish Government telling them not to play, and that’s their get-out? Still don’t see why Accies should be penalised.
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It's up to your club to do something about it then.
 
Apologies if it's been covered but if Celtic aren't allowed to play as they must self isolate then surely they can't be allowed to train together either? This will mean no training or prep work before their Euro tie.
 
derek145 said:
Apologies if it's been covered but if Celtic aren't allowed to play as they must self isolate then surely they can't be allowed to train together either? This will mean no training or prep work before their Euro tie.
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I think they are classed as being in same bubble so can train.
 
jaws73 said:
We echo the sentiments of Celtic FC in their condemnatory statement and commend the club’s swiftness in opening a disciplinary investigation.

Shouldn't it be the SFA's job to open a disciplinary investigation FFS? What actually is the point of the football authorities up here?
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Once again it sticks out like a sore thumb that despite a second player flouting Government instructions on Covid no action will be taken on these scummy b’stards instead they are actually thanked by the Governing body.
Scottish football really is reality that plays out like a work of fiction.
 
Sporting integrity and all that,points deduction for both guilty clubs, more games that'll have to be rescheduled after it getting reported that there won't be many free dates to play these games in the future due to s cup games last and this season,league cup league games European games and internationals. So the spfl could have saved themselves a headache and given the innocent teams the points,sorted. We know for a fact that would happen if it was any of our players. Is there anyway we could try and force this ?
 
Rangers - you know what you need to do. Get the points on the board and place them under pressure. They will crumble from their own fan pressure.
 
Scotland is the complete laughing stock of football in europe.
The German, Spanish, Italian and English premiership and championship leagues have all played to a conclusion recently without as far as I'm aware no games postponed and in all probability in each country more covid about. Scotland has hardly got the toes wet and games are getting postponed already. Last season's scottish cup is meant to be played to a close in December at this rate it will be next season cause the mentally challengeds and slant eyed Pete will make it so.
 
academical said:
We need a clear statement from the SPFL about how matters like this will be consistently handled across the season.

If there’s a change to the rule that a team unable to fulfil a fixture forfeits it, then on what basis? By what process was that approved? If teams have to quarantine, surely teams they inadvertently expose (Kilmarnock) have to quarantine too? What’s Kilmarnock’s compensation?

In the absence of a clear statement, they may as well abandon the season now. These won’t be the last incidents.
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Dont hold your breath on that mate
 
bigy said:

Coronavirus Joint Response Group Update – 11 August | Scottish FA | News

www.scottishfa.co.uk www.scottishfa.co.uk

Ronseal - Aberdeen v Hamilton also off.

Only Celtic could get praised by the SFA for playing an ineligible player!!

Rod Petrie, Chair of the JRG: “The Joint Response Group has acted swiftly and decisively in addressing the latest concerns raised by the minister on behalf of Scottish Government. While the decision to postpone these games is deeply regrettable nevertheless in the circumstances it is unavoidable and uncontestable.

“The JRG members were astounded to learn of the recklessness demonstrated by Boli Bolingoli-Mbombo in his breach of government public health guidance and football protocols. We echo the sentiments of Celtic FC in their condemnatory statement and commend the club’s swiftness in opening a disciplinary investigation.
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When does the SPFL disciplinary investigation into the mentally challengeds fielding an ineligible player open?
 
Let them play their u18’s who haven’t been around the first team squad. It’s extremely poor that the teams playing Aberdeen and Celtic are being punished. At the very least I’d expect their fixtures to be played at the earliest possible date so 24 and 27 August in between the Dundee Utd and Motherwell games.
 
Gers4life said:
Livi and Killie will be two games the tims will have one eye on thinking we may drop points. It’ll send a huge message out if we end up 11 points clear before they next play.
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My only worry in the next 3 games is the level of bad ref decision going against us or yellow/red cards, I imagine this will be cranked up a notch or 2 to stop us going 11 clear , mark my words Alfie will see red in at least one of the games & Jack will get his mandatory yellows & watch clancy make an appearance.
 
We've clearly got a rule breach by Boli whom due to quarantine rules should not have played on Sunday. Are we expected to believe that Celtic had no idea their player had flown abroad to an at risk country that requires a 14 day quarantine on return? I find that extremely difficult to believe especially when they are about to commence their European CL qualification section not to mention they have a number of foreign players themselves, including the above player, who will be being monitored for that very reason. My main question would have to be when did Celtic know that the player should be in quarantine as they are responsible/liable for their players for ALL competitions they take part in.

The Scottish FA competition rules state:

14.8 If a Starting Player listed on the Official Team Line is not able to start the Match due to
unexpected physical incapacity or other extreme circumstances (which are explained to and
accepted by the referee), he may only be replaced by one of the Nominated Substitutes. The
Nominated Substitute who becomes a Starting Player may then only be replaced by an eligible
Player not originally listed on the Official Team Line as signed, so that the quota of Nominated
Substitutes is not reduced.

14.9 If a Nominated Substitute listed on the Official Team Line is, at the start of the Match not able
to be named as a Nominated Substitute due to an unexpected physical incapacity or other
extreme circumstances (which are explained to and accepted by the referee), he may only be
replaced by an eligible Player not originally listed on the Official Team Line as signed.

14.10 If a goalkeeper listed on the Official Team Line is unable to be fielded due to unexpected
physical incapacity or other extreme circumstances (which are explained to and accepted by
the referee), then he may be replaced, but only by an eligible player who must be designated
as goalkeeper in accordance with Competition Rule 13.3.

14.11 If, for any reason, changes require to be made to the Official Team Line pursuant to
Competition Rules 14.8, 14.9 and/or 14.10 (and said changes are accepted by the referee) then
the Club must notify its opponent immediately thereafter.

14.12 If, for any reason, changes require to be made to the Official Team Line pursuant to
Paragraphs 14.8, 14.9 and/or 14.10, the Club concerned must in addition to the requirements
set out above, provide the Scottish FA, upon request, with necessary medical certificates and/
or a full written explanation of the circumstances that caused any changes.

14.13 The Scottish FA shall keep a register of the names of all of the Players who take part in the
Competition. The register shall be open for inspection by all Clubs.
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academical said:
From an Accies POV, why is our fixture getting postponed? That doesn’t suit us.

Surely the rules state that if a team is unable to fulfil a fixture, then they forfeit the match? Aberdeen 0-3 Accies.

Is the Scottish Government telling them not to play, and that’s their get-out? Still don’t see why Accies should be penalised.
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It is ridiculous that Hamilton, St Mirren, and whoever else is scheduled to play the covid 19 infected teams, are to simply recieve the same treatment and punishment.
Why should they be forced into a backlog of fixtures, and punished the exact same as the the self inflicted ones.
Anywhere else in the world would see a 0-3 forfeit served on the offending teams.
 
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Keyser_Soze said:
Now lets target a forfeit
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Surely this should be automatic? Team fields ineligible player, team gets docked points. Straightforward I would have thought? Then the player/players get sanctioned by the CO

That’s what would happen if Rangers were involved
 
I just hope the club realise they need to be all over this with every angle, and some other clubs, by making it clear we won't accept doctors being shuffled all over the place to help fix this. Can you imagine if they still play last year's Scottish Cup, the scum progress in the Europa league and need an extension near the end of the season!! We need to preempt everything and pressure the authorities.
 
If this line holds, and sets a precedent, what a mess!

A club breaches protection rules (Aberdeen, Celtic) means their game gets postponed, punishing equally their opponents who have committed no breach (Accies, St Mirren), but any team they play against meanwhile, and potentially infect (Kilmarnock) has no postponement, potentially spreading infection wider. No forfeits, no points penalties, no meaningful sanctions, and no real protection against spread of infection.

It makes no sense. And it has no Sporting Integrity.
 
iaatpies said:
Pish.

They shouldn't be postponing games. Award a 3-0 walkover to the opposition if a team cannot fulfil a fixture due to Covid infections amongst their players that can be traced to a non-essential activity. That will soon encourage teams to be tough with their players.
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So what happens when two of those teams play each other, you can’t give both of them 3-0 defeats?
 
Given ScotGov Scottish Statutory Instruments 2020 No. 169, The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (International Travel) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 , then failure to comply is considered an summary offence.

Essentially what it says is that if you are an elite sportsperson travelling to/back from a specific event/competition then provided certain conditions are observed, 'the bubble', then there is an exemption i.e its not necessary to either quarantine on return or leave personal details with the operator as they are handled by the organisation you are representing.

In Bolingolis case he was holidaying outside the common travel area and would not be exempt from either. Therefore would need to leave details contact number etc etc etc with the flight operator to be in compliance with the above legislation. The notion that Celtic had no idea this was the required paperwork is ridiculous as its crucial information specifically because they are set to play in ECL in a matter of days and could majorly affect their team selection.

Besides that, and this is more trivial, Celtic are more or less asking us to believe that he spoke to none of his team mates or first team staff about his trip. One of the first things spoken about in any work place after holidaying is 'how did your trip/holiday go?' etc etc etc its risible.

I posted the SFA rules concerning submission of starting players and substitutes above because those are the specific rules with regards to changing those named on the list. Given the current circumstances Celtic could have easily changed their team sheet to have him removed which would have complied with both current Scottish Law and common sense.

However IMO its completely irresponsible on Celtics part because regardless of whether the player tests positive or not the law is clear and must be followed. The player should have been nowhere near his team mates or the training ground. What we are left with is a situation where everyone on the Celtic bus to Rugby Park those the player had been in contact with prior to Sunday and also the Kilmarnock players and staff he was in contact with, ALL are now, or should be, subject to 7 days isolation based on advice given by Gov medical staff, while the player himself would need to isolate for the full 14 days.

Regardless of how the media is reporting this it cannot be ignored as its a matter of public safety!
 
We all know there could be an outbreak at a Club with protocols being followed. In such instances a fixture postponement is the only option.

When a Club cannot fulfil its fixtures due to the recklessness of their employees they should be made to pay the price.

We have to ensure we are squeaky clean in that regard, and take maximum points to take full advantage of this.
 
academical said:
From an Accies POV, why is our fixture getting postponed? That doesn’t suit us.

Surely the rules state that if a team is unable to fulfil a fixture, then they forfeit the match? Aberdeen 0-3 Accies.

Is the Scottish Government telling them not to play, and that’s their get-out? Still don’t see why Accies should be penalised.
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I wholeheartedly agree. Your board need to take it up with the SPFL/SFA, I’m sure you’d get a lot of support from other clubs like Killie. As we’ve seen Doncaster is only pro-active when it suits him
 
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