Josh or Barrie

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  1. RandyMac

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    Surely to goodness you’re no putting they comparisons on a par?
     
  2. Oduwa

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    Josh has desire to play for us,always choose the player who has desire for us.
     
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    That’s is exactly my thoughts
     
  4. MearnsUnionist

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    Josh has looked a different player since he's played through the middle in the last 2 games.

    I always liked Barrie but he's struggling to get a regular start at Forest coming off the bench for just 9 minutes again last week.

    Neither have been consistent enough for me.
     
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  5. Laudrup97

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    McKay had something but turned up very rarely. Windass is starting to come onto a game and has more goals than what Barry would have got last season I think. Windass shades it only because he is producing the goods lately.
     
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    Barrie looks much better from a distance.
     
  8. Fondablondes

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    One plays for Rangers, the other doesn't. I'm on the side of the Rangers player.
    From what I've seen and read, one players form is improving and the others form is fading.
     
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  9. Papa Sasac

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    McKay as gifted a young player as I’ve seen break through to our 1st team.

    Him over Windass 100/100 times.

    Gutted he left and sickened that we got next to nothing for him.
     
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  10. CaptainCourageous

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    One wants to stay, the other wanted away.

    I wonder what Windass stats this season are, compared to McKay in the whole of last season?
     
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  11. BlueStu72

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    If bet if you compared radars. JWs would piss all over BMcKs.
     
  12. rez1872

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    Josh is not a winger, can't compare the two for me.

    Right now Josh is showing more effort and willing than Barrie ever did, and I was a always a huge fan of Barrie.
     
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    Barrie you a mile, we will be gutted when Forrest cash in in him
     
  14. BlueHaze

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    A big Barrie fan but he obviously didn't want to play for us so we were never going to get anymore out of him,Josh knows he is at a huge club and is loving it and he wil improve he will be considered better than Barrie before the season is over,Hopefully.
     
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    Burke was not a bad player.

    Mistake selling mckay we should have worked on him to change his attitude.
     
  16. Shengus Malengus

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    Barrie McKay was a joy to watch when he was on form.

    He was very seldom on form.
     
  17. The Pink Panther

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    Seriously, aye?
     
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  19. Papasmurf

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    McKay was a lazy shite bag who couldn't handle playing for a big club.

    All the talent in the world but it won't come to much.

    I'd love him to have had the stones to go with the talent. He didn't and I'd rather a player that tries their best to improve and deliver which is what josh is doing and good luck to him.
     
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  20. Papasmurf

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    Radars????
     
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    Neither is McKay, to be honest.
    He’d be helluva good in the position Windass has just now.
     
  22. Glasgow Rangers (Sco)

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    JW makes lovely runs off the ball and it would appear that he is now starting to make the right decisions on the ball.

    The biggest difference between them both for me is that Windass is fearless. He's had a hard time from the fans here but has just kept plugging away
     
  23. Spit the dog

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    Unfortunately this.

    He should have stayed.
     
  24. daven37

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    What is a proper Rangers team?
     
  25. Yer da

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    You'd never see Barrie continuously closing down the oppositions defenders. Murty said that Windass' distance covered and top speeds were that of an English Premier League player.
     
  26. The Salty Dog

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    Honestly I would take Josh Windass. IMO he actually wants to be here,
     
  27. BobbyShearer55-65

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    McKay should never have been sold, let alone sold for peanuts.
     
  28. BRaven

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    Has he went off the boil? How's he been playing?

    I've spoken to a few Forrest fans who love him. Haven't heard a bad word about him yet and they can't believe that they got a player of his ability so cheap.
     
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    I don't think Windass has the intelligence to play a free role. He has to be up front with a clearly defined gameplan i.e. chase everything down and break quickly
     
  30. Captain Gough

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    I didn’t get the hype with McKay. Hope I’m proved wrong as I like seeing our ex players doing well.
     
  31. Mols9

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    Both good players and both got/get a hard time from our support.
     
  32. Fernandinho Beira-Mar

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    This place is as bad with taigs as the old fukkin board!!
     
  33. Cooperfan

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    This .
     
  34. MichaelMols4

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    I don’t get why people keep saying we made a mistake. He didn’t want to be here and got his way. Dealt with in the wrong way but he was never staying he made that clear
     
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    Barrie McKay gave me one of my happiest moments as a Rangers supporter when he skelped that howitzer past Gordon against the Earls in the Scottish cup a couple year ago.

    However, he left Rangers to join Nottingham Forest. Just take a second to digest that. He followed a shitebag manager out the door of an institution.

    Josh Windass maybe doesn't have McKays natural ability, but he does have heart. If Barrie McKay go to written of and slated and got anything like the stick that Josh Windass has had, I think it would have shattered him completely.

    Windass on the other hand seems to be turning a corner. Good on you, keep fighting.
     
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  36. Renoranger

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    Ever heard of Jim Forrest ?
     
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    Barry on his day was a player, not consistent enough thou
     
  38. Hobjo

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    If you’re talking about on the left wing then it’s Hobson’s choice: McKay has gifts but struggles to deploy them in a way that hurts teams consistently, Windass has different gifts but similar inconsistency.
    Both were not dependable in terms of commitment or “heart”

    But up front? Windass all day every day. Last two games have been revelatory for me.
     
  39. remembertheepoch

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    How exactly did we freeze him out?

    He was offered 3 contracts and refused to sign any even after 3 improvements
     
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    Windass is starting to affect matches regularly.

    McKay is a sand dancer. Heart of a mouse.
     
  41. Neilstonger

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    Both equally frustrating but I'd pick BM if potential was the sole criterion. I was gutted when we sold him.
     
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    Which one? Wilson, Keppel or Betty:):)
     
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    McKay didn't want to stay with Rangers. Simple as. Money was not enough to make him stay and there was certainly no love of the football club in the same way I see in someone like young McCrorie. Therefore Windass it is. He's here, he's playing and he's starting to prove a few of us (me included) wrong. This needs to continue.
     
  44. TimzRFudz

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    Different types of players, and under different circumstances I think we could have accommodated both.

    I think BM had more potential. Josh looks more prepared to be aggressive and direct and work a bit harder though. But I can't help but feel there was a window where we could really have developed Barrie into a top quality player. Yes, MW benched him at times, but he saw enough to take him down to Forrest and play him in the first team.

    I realise they didn't come through our youth set up, but I think its all part of the same disease at Rangers. What frustrates the hell out of me though has been our consistent failure as a club going back decades to really develop young players. Auchenhowie has been a spectacular failure - if you were judging its purpose based on outcomes then it would seem to be to bring through young guys to then leave for free or head off to other teams for a paltry sum. Whilst only a small percentage are ever going to be good enough for our first team, we're absolutely not hitting that target and never have done.
     
  45. Business_Bear

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    I've seen a good number of their games, he started like a house on fire but has petered out somewhat in the last few weeks imo, Forest as a team have gone off the boil as well. If you look at the stats of their recent games it makes quite familiar reading.

    It is fair to say that they did get him extremely cheap and you can guarantee we'll not have a sell on clause in there.
     
  46. Tito

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    Quite simply neither. I never rated Barrie and the less said about Windass the better
     
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    We need better
     
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    McKay when he bothered to play.
     
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    That pretty much sums it up.
     
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    Barrie McKay dinking balls behind defenders for Windass' recent resurgence with his runs through the middle would have been good to see.

    McKay is better than Nottingham Forest.
     
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