TwoBadMice
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We need a team winning trophies on the pitch before we consider expanding capacity imo
Check out the Stewart Robertson interview, tour wish seems to be his commandUltimately, it comes down to cost vs revenue generated. We should be looking to maximize value out of every square inch of existing space we have before building new. I’m sure I read on here about there being a lot of vacant office space which could be renovated into something
Adding a tangible number of seats really doesn’t sound like it’s an option so it might take some out the box thinking.
We know the structural problems of filling in the corners where the screen are with seats, but what about putting in hospitality boxes over multiple levels like the Parken in Copenhagen or putting our own twist on Sampdoria’s stadium?
We do need to look at making Ibrox more of a destination pre and post match and outside of a match day. Squaring off the corner at the Govan/Copland stands and building out where the megastore currently sits could be an option to house more bars/cafes/restaurants/kids zones over multiple floors, a la what we plan to do at Edmonton House. It could give fans options, cater to greater numbers and go a small way towards dragging us towards 21st century sports and entertainment venues.
Excuse my photoshopping "skills" and the old pic but something close to 1 big single tiered stand would be nice.
It absolutely would it just depends on what payback period and return metrics you would be looking for on your initial investment.it wouldnt.
Is open area parking a stipulation of planning consent for a stadium?Where's the required parking for the new spectators going to be?
The stands were build with the provisions to put another tier above what’s already there in the stands behind the goals so no need to knock anything down
Bar72 style additions at front of Copland and Broomloan cannot be done unfortunately or would have been long ago. You are correct re outlay / income, so spending millions on the stadium is not an option when we are getting the basics done and our 50k capacity is not as far off the mark as some people think. Finding space for bars etc and getting a bigger share of matchday spend is the only viable prospect just now.
And we have to invest what we can in the squad now and win this league first. This coming season is massive.
we cannot add Bar72 seats to the Copland and broomloan because there is no sufficient space between the upper and lower stands to accommodate this .
the govan is tight for space .
The Copland and broomloan are the stands with lots of space behind them which would be suitable for an upgrade and capacity increase .
We may have got another 10k fans in tops, with new stands etc.It absolutely would it just depends on what payback period and return metrics you would be looking for on your initial investment.
Rebuild with suitable seats, debt repayment over long period would see suitable returns if larger attendance could be guaranteed.
Oil is on the way out.Seen this online. Now where can we find an oil rich businessman with a few million to spare?
Lowering the pitch, may give us another 2,ooo seats, but the capacity is fine as far as I am concerned, any money spent on the stadium should be on the aesthetic beauty of it and maintaining it as one of the great sporting arenas into the next century.
Have you had a look at these corners closely. No real gain and with the position of the stands.Not difficult to fill in the corners at each end of the Main stand.
So is Diesel, especially in the Artic thanks to the RussiansOil is on the way out.
That would need to done both ends because I don't know if my OCD couldn't handle the non symmetrical look of the stadiumSeen this online. Now where can we find an oil rich businessman with a few million to spare?
We have 17,000 in the queue for season tickets . We need to expand.
Cheers mate! This has sent me down a YouTube wormhole.Back in a previous life I was at uni studying Civil Engineering. I chose the work being done to fill the corners as a project.
The club were brilliant and very open and honest.
When the stadium was rebuilt, it was found to be very difficult ground, with the water table being so high and the type of ground it is built on. The lateral load is much larger that it was previously - meaning that the foundation needed to be deeper and with greater reinforcement than anywhere else in the stadium. The decision was made (to keep costs down) that the foundation should be built to the spec for the stands that were to be built - meaning that not much more load could be added.
It means the only option if more load was to be added would be to remove that load from the structure. That would be done with a cantilever system (as was done for the club deck), which effectively suspends the load of the stand along the length of the cantilever structure. However, there would be no way to anchor this as we did with the main stand for the reasons I outlined above.
It would mean that the anchors would have to be done (probably) by using the ground behind the stadium. It would need to be at an angle that sufficiently holds the weight of the structure, meaning it could possibly be some distance back - possibly where the business behind the Govan are.
If you look at something like the Reebok Stadium or the Jeonju World Cup Stadium - they are good examples - but the one for the Govan would be set further away from the stadium to provide the stability required.
The foundations for the Copland and Broomloan are much more stable, but again it is uncertain how much more load could be carried.
It is interesting to note (although horrible to look at) that their cantilever system is built in a way which should have provided the required stability. However, the stand that runs along the wall of the cemetery suffered from exactly the same problem as the Govan. Their solution, big bloody pillars. There is a reason its a laughing stock in stadium building world. A cantilever roof that doesn't work.
To be honest im not too bothered about raising capacity. Look at the piggery, depending on our form we would have parts of the stadium unfilled. Id continue with what the current idea seems to be regarding upgrading facilities in and around the stadium
A Cantilever wormhole?Cheers mate! This has sent me down a YouTube wormhole.
People want the match day experienceOr 17,000 people we could be selling RTV season tickets to.
Indeed, but we’re not going to add that number of seats overnight so how do you combat that today?People want the match day experience
Never will that happen in the next 10 years minimumI would try to get other things right before a super stadium ie direct train link to stadium,car parking,facilities for the support pre game etc.
Their main stand is a joke as well, a “cantilever roof” that is supported by beams swung down when there isn’t a match on.Back in a previous life I was at uni studying Civil Engineering. I chose the work being done to fill the corners as a project.
The club were brilliant and very open and honest.
When the stadium was rebuilt, it was found to be very difficult ground, with the water table being so high and the type of ground it is built on. The lateral load is much larger that it was previously - meaning that the foundation needed to be deeper and with greater reinforcement than anywhere else in the stadium. The decision was made (to keep costs down) that the foundation should be built to the spec for the stands that were to be built - meaning that not much more load could be added.
It means the only option if more load was to be added would be to remove that load from the structure. That would be done with a cantilever system (as was done for the club deck), which effectively suspends the load of the stand along the length of the cantilever structure. However, there would be no way to anchor this as we did with the main stand for the reasons I outlined above.
It would mean that the anchors would have to be done (probably) by using the ground behind the stadium. It would need to be at an angle that sufficiently holds the weight of the structure, meaning it could possibly be some distance back - possibly where the business behind the Govan are.
If you look at something like the Reebok Stadium or the Jeonju World Cup Stadium - they are good examples - but the one for the Govan would be set further away from the stadium to provide the stability required.
The foundations for the Copland and Broomloan are much more stable, but again it is uncertain how much more load could be carried.
It is interesting to note (although horrible to look at) that their cantilever system is built in a way which should have provided the required stability. However, the stand that runs along the wall of the cemetery suffered from exactly the same problem as the Govan. Their solution, big bloody pillars. There is a reason its a laughing stock in stadium building world. A cantilever roof that doesn't work.
That's a different issue caused by the age of the building and the difficulty of fixing what is a listed building.Their main stand is a joke as well, a “cantilever roof” that is supported by beams swung down when there isn’t a match on.
Their main stand is a listed building?That's a different issue caused by the age of the building and the difficulty of fixing what is a listed building.
It should never have been given a safety certificate
There is no chance Rangers will ever walk away from Ibrox and the famous main stand.It's going to have to be done at some point. Even the Main Stand won't last forever.
At some point, well beyond our lifetimes and probably our grandchildren's lifetimes we will have to build a new stadium.
It is unthinkable to us not to have Ibrox, but if its successor is designed with the same grandeur and tradition, why not?
Hard to believe eh?Their main stand is a listed building?
10000 more spaces for their big flags, we do plenty for the local communityThe thing is them have 60,000 thats 10,000 more Thats 10,000 more people involved in their club which spread to families and friends and the undecided . Thats 10,000 more speaking about going to the match, Thats 10,000 more that will bring family in the future to their games. Do people not see it people have had their seats at Ibrox in certain areas for years are stuck in a routine leave early we are denying future generations of going to the match We are denying tickets to local communities to build our support within the area of Ibrox. This isn't just about vanity or even season ticket holders ,this is about the future of Rangers .We should be building our support instead of sitting on out laurels and pretending everything is alright.Everything is not alright we need to continue to build our support within Glasgow by doing what every other club in the land does.Free tickets for local communities invite them into the club instead of alienating them by not giving the local communities the chance to complain but to invite them in . We are denying the floating fan the guy or lass in the street which might want a chance to go and watch Rangers We need 10,000 more people speaking about going to see The Rangers In these testing times we need to grow Rangers because we have stagnated and were starting to regress like the rest of Scotland is doing.
I don't think so, Might have read it wrong, their main stand is listing, possiblyTheir main stand is a listed building?
Fergus has no say in it being listedHard to believe eh?
Fergus did it in the 90s to make sure it couldn't be sold off cheap if the worst happened.
Also some weird tax breaks......
i think this would be the way to go,im not sure about the take up of office space behind the stands ,it may be ,we have spare capacity on most floors of office space,and if we could re arrange all the existing offices together ,then perhaps we could be left with the best part of one level of available space,with a bit of re configuration this could be a bar/cafe areaWhat I would like is club to look at any empty offices in the stadium....and tart them up. TV, mini bar, newspapers, coffee, biscuits. Open from noon. A sort of pre-match meet up / hospitality. So for example 8-10 could meet, watch the 12.30 game live, few beers, chat....then go to their own seats.
Whereabouts are the spare offices?i think this would be the way to go,im not sure about the take up of office space behind the stands ,it may be ,we have spare capacity on most floors of office space,and if we could re arrange all the existing offices together ,then perhaps we could be left with the best part of one level of available space,with a bit of re configuration this could be a bar/cafe area