Levels above? Behave.
Yeah but Klopp’s had to make do with shopping at Aldi, spending a mere £75m on his centre half (whom they outbid City for somewhat ironically), and £60m on their keeper (that’s about the same as De Bruyne), and about the same for Kieta and Lucas Diaz. Also his spending doesn’t even count because they sold Coutinho (whom he didn’t sign) for £150m, and also he took over a team that were nearly relegated, because Liverpool didn’t almost win the league under Brendan Rodgers less than a year and a half prior
You telling me Liverpool weren’t contenders when they were a Gerrard slip away from winning the league title under the mighty Brendan Rodgers not much more than a year prior to Klopp’s arrival? You can’t knock his European achievements, but everyone knows there’s an element of luck in cup football, which means one side might need to beat a 7th placed la liga side to advance to a final while the other might need to overcome the Spanish champions and the best centre forward in the world.
Klopp has a net spend of 150 million, they hadn’t won title in decades, City had won title twice in previous years before Pep arrived.
LOL. I feel like you’ve done a good job of disproving that here. The net spend thing is bollocks too, that’s largely down to flogging players he never even brought to club, and it’s particularly attributable to an astronomical fee received for Coutinho. So forget that straw man bollocks and instead just look at the mega bucks he’s actually spent on the squad, which includes outbidding City for his star defender.
Let it go Pep, you know fine it's not just based on league performance
Alex Ferguson might argue that point.
Net spend is bollocksLOL. I feel like you’ve done a good job of disproving that here. The net spend thing is bollocks too, that’s largely down to flogging players he never even brought to club, and it’s particularly attributable to an astronomical fee received for Coutinho. So forget that straw man bollocks and instead just look at the mega bucks he’s actually spent on the squad, which includes outbidding City for his star defender.
And sorry, but to go back to the point you’ve carefully side stepped. Liverpool were a baw hair from winning the league under Brendan Rodgers shortly before Klopp arrived, are you saying they weren’t contenders? City had just finished 4th when Guardiola rolled up. And regarding Europe, you probably think Roberto Di Matteo was a better manager for Chelsea than Mourinho was. Also have to say I wasn’t aware Klopp’s solitary CL winners medal was regarded as a far better success than Guardiola’s two CL winners medals. Must be that heightened perception and knowledge you’ve got
It’s the Premier League manager of the year it should be based on the league. For what it’s worth I would’ve given it to Potter or to Thomas Frank, two managers who’ve overachieved and some a great job at their clubs. Not really sure why Klopp gets it for finishing second in the league.
Again, it's an award for the manager in the PL deemed as being the best for the season, not just for league performance, 1 point from winning the league, winner of 2 cup competitions and CL finalists and you don't see why he's been given it ?
“The most outstanding manager in each given Premier League season”Again, it's an award for the manager in the PL deemed as being the best for the season, not just for league performance, 1 point from winning the league, winner of 2 cup competitions and CL finalists and you don't see why he's been given it ?
Maybe you could create your own award and base it purely on league performance ? I'm sure Pep or whoever else would be honoured to receive it
Net spend is bollocks
Seriously, the net spend doesn’t matter?
Pep has spent hundreds of millions more than Klopp, that’s a cold hard fact.
It also matters little that Liverpool were a baw hair from winning the title, they never won it until Klopp arrived, again that’s a fact
They are about to play in their 3rd Champions League final on Saturday, that’s what Pep was brought in for, previous managers won them the title, he was brought in deliver Champions League success.
Assuming you're just trolling now, are you refusing to accept that what Liverpool have achieved this season is outstanding ?
Christ, so how he’s had far more success because he’s fallen short and been runner up more times? That supersedes winning it? That’s the sort of logic that goes down a storm in the east end. Wooooooo, vice champions!! They’re about to play in their 3rd CL final, the same number of finals Guardiola’s been in…..Net spend is bollocks
Seriously, the net spend doesn’t matter?
Pep has spent hundreds of millions more than Klopp, that’s a cold hard fact.
It also matters little that Liverpool were a baw hair from winning the title, they never won it until Klopp arrived, again that’s a fact
They are about to play in their 3rd Champions League final on Saturday, that’s what Pep was brought in for, previous managers won them the title, he was brought in deliver Champions League success.
You’re actually off your headChrist, so how he’s had far more success because he’s fallen short and been runner up more times? That supersedes winning it? That’s the sort of logic that goes down a storm in the east end. Wooooooo, vice champions!! They’re about to play in their 3rd CL final, the same number of finals Guardiola’s been in…..
Yes net spend is straw man bollocks, that’s why it’s practically only ever spoken about by scousers with their tim-like mentality and penchant for mental gymnastics. You’re crediting Klopp for getting big fees for Rodgers’ players. But that’s really down to the higher ups at the club successfully mugging off Barca on account of them having just received a fortune for the Neymar deal. They even got a big fees for Benteke and Solanke ffs. All the while Klopp’s set new world records for fees spent on a centre half and goalkeeper.
I’m not sure you’re old enough to remember 9 in a row. But in your eyes, I’m guessing Walter’s achievements were diluted on the basis of having spent more money than the rest of the sides in the league?
Lastly, the bolded part. Yes it does matter, because you said they were “miles off” winning the league when they were a baw hair away from doing just that little over a year before Klopp arrived. So that’s a complete load of bollocks isn’t it? Thanks for playing, better luck next time
You’re actually off your head
I notice you are concentrating mostly on Klopp and the money and how it doesn’t matter and all that bollocks.
How about addressing the elephant in the room, Pep being brought in to win the Champions League and looking on again as Klopp and Liverpool leave him wondering again what if..
So Arsene Wenger must be a level above then. Pep has never managed a team to go unbeaten in the league all season.
Then why are you not addressing my points? If I’m cuckoo then this should be a piece of piss for you. “Liverpool were miles off it”, after coming within an inch of winning the league shortly prior to Klopp’s arrival. Klopp has been more successful in the CL than Guardiola because he’s won less winners medals and gained more runners up medals, I mean ffs that’s nuttier than a squirrel jobby.You’re actually off your head
I notice you are concentrating mostly on Klopp and the money and how it doesn’t matter and all that bollocks.
How about addressing the elephant in the room, Pep being brought in to win the Champions League and looking on again as Klopp and Liverpool leave him wondering again what if..
Even then it wouldn’t have to go to the league winning manager. There’s managers who punch well above their weight every season who often merit these awards. But when you have a side like that Liverpool one and you come second it just seems a bit hilarious and kind of SPL-ish to award that manager the manager of the year award, which is the biggest insult I can pay really.
My point is that Ferguson was the best manager during the time of the EPL, imo, then the fact that 100 points seems to have some bearing was thrown in to the mix. I was just throwing in my own ridiculous measure. The amount of points is matterless and dependent on the standards of the other teams, which, again my opinion, has been poor for about 10 years apart from the few top teams.
He was winning it with about 20 minutes to go on the last day of the season, it’s not like they were 15 points behind. Then take his management over the season in all competitions into account and it seems logical to me.
They’ve done well yes but the season could quite easily end up with only a league cup and a FA cup. They’re absolutely a top side but I’m not sure what’s so great about their Premier League achievements this season. Never really a fan of manager of the year going to a big clubs manager when guys like Potter and Frank have done excellent jobs at smaller teams and overachieved.
You keep mentioning Liverpool being within an inch of winning the league, like this is some sort of achievement? Focus on this sole campaign but fail to mention the other seasons finishing miles off the pace, 4th, 6th, 8th place finishes, do these not count?Then why are you not addressing my points? If I’m cuckoo then this should be a piece of piss for you. “Liverpool were miles off it”, after coming within an inch of winning the league shortly prior to Klopp’s arrival. Klopp has been more successful in the CL than Guardiola because he’s won less winners medals and gained more runners up medals, I mean ffs that’s nuttier than a squirrel jobby.
And I’m off my head, you make Paul Merson and Dean Windass look like Gary Neville and Gabriel Marcotti
P.S - Guardiola ought to have done better in the CL, especially in that final against Chelsea. But there’s a reason only one side and one manager has ever retained the trophy in its history. If he’s failed in his remit you’ve also got to wonder why he’s not been sacked.
He didn’t win it though, he lost ffs
Come on this is mental. I remember everyone ridiculing the notion of Callum Davidson winning our equivalent last season on account of winning two cups with an unfancied side. Well that may be all Klopp has to show for this season with a fancied side.
No I keep mentioning it because you made up a load of fairy bollocks about them being “miles off it” until Klopp came in, even now you flat out refuse to admit that what you posted was nonsense. If I was you I’d get my CV sent off to the Daily Rebel, you’d be shoe in for a position in their sports department with your determination to stick to fantasy and avoid reality
You ignored the part where I said it’s not like he lost it by 15 points. His management in other competitions can easily be seen to make up for 20 minutes. I don’t see how 1/5th of one match makes that big a difference to management over a season. It’s not like he swapped his goalie for a striker and played the ball boys for the 20 minutes that decided the title. It’s the smallest possible margin and management over the season comes into play.He didn’t win it though, he lost ffs
I’m beginning to think I’m debating with a simpleton who is sitting jacking off to Pep photos and having perma rage at a suggestion another manager is clearly better.No I keep mentioning it because you made up a load of fairy bollocks about them being “miles off it” until Klopp came in, even now you flat out refuse to admit that what you posted was nonsense. If I was you I’d get my CV sent off to the Daily Rebel, you’d be shoe in for a position in their sports department with your determination to stick to fantasy and avoid reality
And by the way, there’s a lad above who seems to think coming close to winning the title is in fact an achievement and makes Klopp a logical choice for the that award. It’s a mad house in here.
He lost! You either win or you lose, there’s no special award or plaque that says “almost won”. We lost on penalties last Wednesday, that’s closer than Klopp came to winning the Premier League, but I’d be surprised if any of us felt like hyping up or celebrating the fact that we nearly won, because ultimately we lost.
I’m just discussing football by looking at the results and what has played out across the season. Petty insults and personal abuse are much more in line with someone in a rage.
So, you’re on the fence?
We’re not talking about the premier league trophy, we’re talking about the league managers award which is based on management over the season and probably taking other competitions into account. Are you saying that 1/5th of the game changed how he managed the season? Did he do something that suddenly made him a worse manager in the season?
If you’re having to ask that after my previous two posts then you’re not reading what I’m writing and we’re done here!
It’s helping make a simple point re your “he never won it” point. Not winning it never changed his management over the season because he never won it by such a small margin. A far bigger margin in his favour is the overall management in competitions over the season.
I mean I understand the point you’re trying to make. I just think that ending the season with domestic cups is only a serious achievement if you’re not a world class side expected to win the league. Ultimately he’s lost the one the fans really wanted, so it can’t real he deemed to have been exceptionally well managed when they lost out on the big one.
No, I think what we’re saying is winning two domestic cups doesn’t supersede winning the league when your team is one of the hot favourites to win the league.
It’s not based on which one fans wanted most, it’s based on how he’s managed his club, squad and team over the season.
Come on man, please don’t.
You can’t possibly say something cost Klopp points and nothing cost Pep when it’s as close as it was.
The bolded part, I mean Jesus Christ. I’ve had some absurd debates but this is up there. Pep dropped points that proved costly, even though he won the league, but I can’t say that they prove costly to Klopp, even though he ultimately came up short. Absolutely bizarre train of thought. But you’re entitled to your opinion, but it feels like you’re being purposefully obtuse and missing each and every point just to be stubborn. I hope that’s what it is anyway! I mean the irony of suggesting I’m invested in PG when you’re putting up such a bizarre and irrational argument in favour of Klopp is not lost on me. Cheers though!
He inherited a side on which £1bn plus had already been spent and continued to vastly outspend Liverpool. 4th was a false position, given their owner’s resources.
Fair enough, if you think finishing 9th or 13th is better than winning 2 cups, getting to the CL final and coming within a point of winning the league when predicted to finish a distant 3rd then there's not much more to say.
