Kris Boyd column

Some of what he says is right but he's rewriting history with Gio he spent about £11-12m and the league was over after another embarrassing doing at the Piggery. Maybe that extra £3-4m would have improved his away record as well.
 
What is it with managers who do not know what is on their own doorstep? Why do they look abroad and pay high fees for mediocrity? The best quotes I have heard about this were from Sam Allardyce and Alan Sugar. Allardyce said if he pronounced his name Allardeechee he would have had his pick of any top job in England. Sugar said that if a player’s surname end in ‘O’ the selling club think that means they can put an extra zero on the end of the asking price.
 
His fundamental point is pretty spot on, albeit some of the other stuff maybe rides a fine line.

As a club, winning the title has to be absolute front and centre and far too many folk simply don't get how to win in Scotland. It's not about "under-estimating" it because it's a technically poor league as shown whenever our clubs go up against higher level opposition in Europe and fail time after time.

However, understanding the characteristics that do define it in its own bubble and make it competitive/difficult to win are vital.

We desperately need to get a solid footing at home and take ownership of the top-flight for a period. European success is a nicety and as much as qualifying to get there is another crucial part for us, if it means getting in and dropping out after group stages of the CL, we at least get that revenue and then get to focus on the title and going back in again the next year.

There's a major missing component at Rangers just now and it feels as simplistic as saying "man the fck up" at times. A total lack of fight and desire and absolute emotional and physical investment in being the biggest boy in class. Crude as it is, we really need some of that right now.
 
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He is correct on a few things but Gio was given roughly the same amount to spend as Beale was and none of those players are very good either.

Also this absolute pish that Van Veen, Nisbet etc should have been signed because Dessers is shite is just ridiculous. We would never have accepted these guys as starters from a rebuild that was to get us back to winning trophies.

That goes for the people saying McInnes wouldn't be worse than Beale. Maybe he wouldn't be but he wouldn't be good enough and that's quite clear by his career so far.
 
gm_06 said:
The Scottish players thing isn't just a Beale issue, just read comments on here about us being linked to Scottish players and they are always written off.
We are a Scottish club and should always be looking to sign the best homegrown talent, the list of players we have missed out on recently is shocking!
Even Advocaat signed Scottish and had no issues with it (apart from Colin Hendry, but that's another story)
I wonder what the outcry would be if we were linked with Boyd from Kilmarnock in the present day.
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Advocaat did not sign Hendry. That was David Murray‘s ego who insisted on it and making him captain.
 
Traveller said:
Agree with most of it but there's still two big opinion points in there that has me baffled.

Kevin Muscat will be a good fit for the job.
Gio should have had more money.

Neither of them two things are true IMO. He's way off there.

Spot-on with the rest and the overall gist of the article, though.

Beale's arrogance in the end was a sight to beyond and I'm glad he picked up on (and called out) a couple of big contradictions and bull shit from Beale - one minute he's saying he's been well backed (backed more than any recent Rangers manager) then when the pressure is on starts watering down the fee's saying "it's not as much as you all think"

Final straw was him having the audacity to blame the fans at the weekend, when it's him that's wasted 14-million on players, shipped out superior players to the one's he's brought in and from day one of pre-season to the Aberdeen defeat a few days ago, have them set up and playing like a team of strangers who don't know anything about each other.
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WRT GvB

I think Wilson had a far bigger input on transfers compared to what he had with Gerrard. How many of GvB's signings could anyone say was actually a GvB signing?
Even his #2 Dave Vos wasn't a GvB appointment.

I am not saying it would have worked - but, I wouldn't have been against taking GvB aside and saying "What do YOU want to do to put things right?" before they pulled the trigger.
 
captcaveman said:
BRASSED OFF

Michael Beale’s brass neck landed him the Rangers job – the same bare-faced arrogance cost him it, says Kris Boyd​


HIS brass neck got him the Rangers job.

The same bare-faced arrogance cost him it.

Michael Beale paid the price for believing he was too smart and too clever for Scottish football.

He showed that streak before he swaggered back inside Ibrox when he undermined Giovanni van Bronckhorst nearly a year ago.

Then, crucially, it was the same when it came to his recruitment as he signed one luxury player after another, thinking they just had to turn up to win.

That’s just not how it works in our league.

Every team that’s ever been successful has had a core of players able and willing to dig deep.

Yet Beale wasted millions on guys who have looked out their depth and lost from the moment they arrived.

I’m sorry, but nobody can tell me Cyriel Dessers was value for money at £1million let alone £4million. Danilo at £6m was utter madness with Sam Lammers at £2.5m no better.

Beale tried desperately to water down those transfer fees after the defeat to Celtic.

Just as Ross Wilson did when I had a go at the silly money he paid for Ridvan Yilmaz, like paying £3.5m, and not £5m, was some kind of bargain.

That deal just underlines the transfer market problems which blighted Ibrox in recent years.

But for Beale the writing was on the wall as soon as results started to go wrong while he tried to talk down the money he’d been given to spend.

What a nerve he had. Because he was given more financial support than any new manager could have ever expected.

If van Bronckhorst had been given that money, Rangers wouldn’t be in the state they are now.

This mess isn’t on the current Rangers board.

Chairman John Bennett went all-in on Beale during the summer and backed him to the hilt.

Giving Beale the combination to the vault has left it completely empty for the next guy coming in.

But when it came to his sacking on Sunday night, he had no-one to blame but himself.

This is someone who was supposed to be the ‘brains of the operation’ from Steven Gerrard’s time as manager.

But if the last ten months have proved anything, it’s that Gerrard deserved more credit for the job he did in winning the league title.

Don’t get me wrong, Beale is no doubt a decent coach.

But there is a world of difference when it comes to management at the highest level.

Top managers certainly don’t tell players they can leave the club one week and then put them in the team the next - as he did with Scott Wright.

That only proved he’s not cut out for management.

And for me it boils down to the arrogance he had when it came to his recruitment.

People go on about building a squad good enough to compete in Europe.

But that’s secondary to putting a team on the park good enough to win the Premiership.

The likes of Lawrence Shankland, Kevin Nisbet or Kevin van Veen would have been far, far better strikers than the ones brought in.

Ryan Porteous was another player I said Rangers should have signed.

Players who know what Scottish football is about and would have hit the ground running at the start of the season.

Rangers have always been good at that down the years, signing the best players from other Scottish clubs.

But Beale’s attitude was that he knew better. And he didn’t.

The way he disrespected van Bronckhorst still leaves a sour taste, too.

That was another episode he tried to dismiss out of hand on the day he was first paraded as manager.

But I didn’t buy it.

Pre-booked trip or not, when a fellow manager is under pressure it should have been cancelled.

Instead he sat in the director’s box, posed for pictures with players and then went to Rangers pubs to mingle with fans.

His signings may make him look daft now but he knew exactly what was doing back then.

I also didn’t like how Beale spoke after defeats, referring to stats.

There now must be a completely fresh look at things.

There are a number of names in the frame to succeed Beale with my old team-mate Steven Davis put in temporary charge.

I can’t sit here right now and say for certain Davo is going to be a successful manager. No-one can.

But he knows enough about the club and the Scottish game that I do believe he should be part of whatever comes next in some capacity.

That’s not me saying Rangers need a ‘Rangers man’ striding up the marble staircase in a blazer and brown brogues. I’ve never bought into that.

But it’s about having someone in the building who gets it and understands what’s required.

That was lost when kitman Jimmy Bell so sadly passed away.

Jim McAllister took over - turning his back on a testimonial to join his boyhood heroes - and yet he was shown the door on Beale’s watch, and now finds himself back with Gerrard in Saudi Arabia.

It’s that kind of thing that should never be allowed to happen at a club like Rangers.

Having an identity and people inside the club who care is crucial.

Celtic have that with John Kennedy, a respected figure who has been a constant throughout various changes.

Whatever happens now, the Rangers board cannot afford to get it wrong and hiring the right character is vital.

Kevin Muscat strikes me as someone who could fit the bill.

He’s been linked with the job before and ticks a lot of boxes.

He’s out of contract at Yokohama when the Japanese J-League finishes in a few weeks so compensation wouldn’t be an issue.

Bodo Glimt’s Kjetil Knutsen and AZ Alkmaar’s Pascal Jansen are two other names mentioned, along with Derek McInnes.

But whoever it is, they have to come into the club with a humility for Scottish football that Beale just didn’t have.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk

Beale's brass neck landed him the Rangers job - the same bare-faced arrogance cost him it

HIS brass neck got him the Rangers job. The same bare-faced arrogance cost him it. Michael Beale paid the price for believing he was too smart and too clever for Scottish football. He showed that s…
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Kris Boyd talking about standards at Rangers. Now there's a laugh. Doesn't have a clue whether the new signings are good value or not, although we should have recruited more Scottish players. And of course, rewriting history with the ridiculous suggestion that Gio's time might have been different had we given him more money.
 
We could have continued the Dutch project and claimed Peter Bosz for pennies, but we went for Beale. Irks me like nothing else.
 
He makes a lot of good points. If we had bought the Scottish players we may have had a decent spine in the team and would probably been better off financially.

I reckon the fan base would now have been shouting that we don't have a team able to achieve anything in Europe.

In short there is no way of knowing how that would have turned out. We just need to find a way forward from the mess we are in right now.
 
A bit hit and miss that article for me. He says if Gio was afforded as much money as Beale then we wouldn’t be in this situation, then talks about how we wasted millions on yilmaz, who was signed under Gio. Gio also spent around the same as Beale.

Then goes on to talk about signing Nisbet and Porteous, give me a break. Neither are anywhere near good enough. Maybe Shankland would’ve been but would we have been happy paying the millions hearts would’ve wanted for him? Talking about Jim McAllister being pushed out, that’s clearly to do with Bisgrove.

He makes a few good points but he makes a few nonsense ones as well.
 
basilboli said:
He’s not wrong in Beales dismissal of Scottish players like Shankland ,Nisbet and others.
Criminal waste of money that will not be recouped.
What a mess we are in.
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Not one of then are good enough for rangers there jobbers... but our recruitment eas a shambles because of beales arrogance and the boards failure to appoint a good sporting director..there's a difference.. for example nikokola kristovic who was banging goals in for dunjaska streda in Slovakia now at Leece was a much better option than dessers now scored 3 in 6 for lecce in serial A.. he's better than Nisbet and shankland.. porteous is a donkey... but out negligence in not signing a good cb lys at the door of beale too
 
It's all a bit scattergun. I'm fairly convinced he's got a login on here and cherry picks the opinions that resonate with him the most.

Bit harsh on Danilo. When he's started he looks the part, it's just a pity Michael Beale saw fit to bench a guy who was scoring goals for fun for Feyenoord in pre season. Bringing up the fee for him is stupid. He cost about the same as Furuhashi cost them and he didn't exactly come out the traps flying either.

The Scottish core stuff, there's a grain a truth to it, however there's not exactly been a glut of top class players littering Scottish football recently. A far cry from the days when the likes of Aberdeen, Hibs and Hearts were producing a litany of stars capable of playing for either of the Old Firm. The only recent Scottish player I feel aggrieved that we didn't sign was Lewis Ferguson, the longer he spends in Italy the more and more it feels like a massive missed opportunity tbh. Other than that, there's not been many players I've been upset we've passed on.
 
Nothing in there that hasn`t been said on here. Boyd has a habbit of doing these state the obvious articles.
 
It was a good article but he is way off with Danilo. Apart from the sitters at the start, for me anyway, looked good when played. Was watching him at the game v County and his movement was excellent. If the team can improve/gel a bit more I have no doubts Danilo will score a lot of goals for us.
 
Derek76 said:
of course you knew , the amount of people that knew on here after last season is so very high.

Although you can never find quotes that said he wasn't the man last year
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I never wanted Beale at all and was constantly shouted down on the GVB threads at the time when Beale's name was mentioned as, I just didnt think he had the experience, didnt like how he behaved towards Gio and I am honest enough to admit, it still didn't sit well with me how Gerrard and Beale left.,.
 
captcaveman said:
I never wanted Beale at all and was constantly shouted down on the GVB threads at the time when Beale's name was mentioned as, I just didnt think he had the experience, didnt like how he behaved towards Gio and I am honest enough to admit, it didn't sit well with me how Gerrard and Beale left.,.
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I also had my doubts. I thought Gio's time was up but was hoping for a far more experienced manager. I was prepared to give Beale the benefit of the doubt and did so until the Scottish Cup semi-final last year. Real doubts about his ability to win the big games. Also was at Pittodrie end of last season to watch a terrible performance that day. He gets the summer and again I think ok, let's see what he comes up with but the warning signs were there from the friendlies and we never got going.
 
captcaveman said:
I never wanted Beale at all and was constantly shouted down on the GVB threads at the time when Beale's name was mentioned as, I just didnt think he had the experience, didnt like how he behaved towards Gio and I am honest enough to admit, it still didn't sit well with me how Gerrard and Beale left.,.
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The whole brains behind the operation stuff was highly disrespectful towards Gerrard and probably would never have been said had it not been for the way Gerrard left tbh.
 
Derek76 said:
of course you knew , the amount of people that knew on here after last season is so very high.

Although you can never find quotes that said he wasn't the man last year
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You were one of the very last to see what has been staring you in the face for a long time. You were still defending Beale until the Aberdeen game.

Plenty didn’t want him to begin with, in fact if you look at the polls 70% of the forum wanted someone other than Beale.
 
the Ibrox board bought Beales propaganda and power points hook line and sinker, failing to safeguard the clubs interest with counterweights to his obvious absolute control on recruitment. They failed in basic governance and now there’s an almighty mess left behind.
 
Micah Bell said:
It was right for Gio to go. Like you said he was far too conservative against the rest of the sides in the league. He was a real mixed bag, he made a lot of big calls in the Europa League that produced brilliant results, he was prepared to change things early in games too which is something neither Gerrard or Beale would do.

But then Gio also faltered, was on the end of some truly dreadful OF defeats and clearly lost the dressing room. So yeah, he had to go, it’s just a shame we couldn’t have gotten a lot of these players (who’ve seen off countless managers
now) to follow him out the door.
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Never a truer world said mate some of our players have seen off to many managers our senior players if you can call them that and whoever gets the job look at how long these undroppable players have been with us and failed no matter their position within the team and get rid of them at the first chance he gets or these so called seniors will see him off the premises as well.
 
We need a manager who lays out his tactics, then makes sure they are adhered to. Nobody will convince me that the slow build up, constant horseshoe passing is planned. We need someone who'll take players off if they are not doing what they are told. Jack is the worst at this. Play 3 at the back and push our full backs 30 yards up the pitch. Tav (who I'd drop) is no lo ger capable of 70 yard runs forward.
I'm not bigging up fat Ange, but I saw a clip where he was going mental because the ball was being passed backwards. He was screaming "forward, forward, get it forward" . We need a manager showing a bit of passion. Gerrard had it, Beale was always calm.
 
ForGodForCountryForever said:
www.thescottishsun.co.uk

Beale's brass neck landed him the Rangers job - the same bare-faced arrogance cost him it

HIS brass neck got him the Rangers job. The same bare-faced arrogance cost him it. Michael Beale paid the price for believing he was too smart and too clever for Scottish football. He showed that s…
www.thescottishsun.co.uk www.thescottishsun.co.uk

He's often comedy bluster but this is the most coherent thing he's written - bang on about Beale, the Players, the Club and also Gerrard/Gio.

I don't know where that's come but full marks to Boyd - that's the best piece I've read in ages.
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In that article boyd talks about the exact same thing I started a thread about few days ago about feeling for Gio as he hadn’t been backed properly
 
If the board did read that story they would just get pissed off, defend themselves and still do %^*& all to improve and do better for Rangers.
 
Decent enough article but harsh ok Danilo he will score plenty of goals for us .

As for the vault being empty how would he know?

Any half decent manager is going to demand a half decent kitty so the board are going to have to find money to fund the.
 
HarryBosch said:
What I'll take from that is firstly that Muscats contract expires soon, therefore no compensation required.
And secondly, had Rangers signed Shankland or Van Veen, this place would have gone apoplectic.
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Nah i dont think so, about 20 posters would have went nuts with any signings from Scottish football but that is not the full support it is just a section that are utterly clueless and judge everyone on where they play, same with the stuff about coming from serie A and how its so far ahead of our league, bollocks.

Loads would have been happy with Shankland a Rangers fan and a very good footballer, gets into the right positions exactly what we are lacking. Van Veen would not have been exciting at all but then again a small fee not huge wages, if he gets a couple of goals the supporters view can quickly change.
 
gm_06 said:
The Scottish players thing isn't just a Beale issue, just read comments on here about us being linked to Scottish players and they are always written off.
We are a Scottish club and should always be looking to sign the best homegrown talent, the list of players we have missed out on recently is shocking!
Even Advocaat signed Scottish and had no issues with it (apart from Colin Hendry, but that's another story)
I wonder what the outcry would be if we were linked with Boyd from Kilmarnock in the present day.
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Agree. I would rather spend less than half the money on players from our league than waste millions on foreign duds that just don’t get what it means to play for Rangers.
Ffs even Kevin Kyle showed more enthusiasm than Dessers has shown.
We’ve missed out on a good few players that would have done a far better job than the dross that we’ve brought in.
 
Derek76 said:
Need to remember that Boys will never slag off a Scottish player, same as wee Barry.

Also need to remember that Boyd will be backing up his pal, that's right Chris Sutton.

Boyd behaviour under PLG was nothing short of disgraceful
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Unfortunately, it doesn’t make him wrong.
The only issue I think I have with Boyd’s piece is his view on Danilo.
Dessers has been abysmal and Lammers has bits of good but mostly bad and I wouldn’t expect either to be here next season.
Cifuentes comes under that banner too but, I still think Danilo can make it.
Or is unproven at worst.
 
Good article from Boyd. Agreed with 99% of that.
Not entirely convinced by Muscat, I know nothing about him as a manager. But apart from that not a word I would question.

Beale’s own arrogance was ultimately the driving force in his downfall.
 
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Disraeli said:
Good article from Boyd. Agreed with 99% of that.
Not entirely convinced by Muscat, I know nothing about him as a manager. But apart from that not a would question.

Beale’s own arrogance was ultimately the driving force in his downfall.
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Unbelievable misplaced arrogance. He never did anything to back his words up.
 
bkerr72 said:
Some of what he says is right but he's rewriting history with Gio he spent about £11-12m and the league was over after another embarrassing doing at the Piggery. Maybe that extra £3-4m would have improved his away record as
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Gio did not spend money. Recruitment was done by Wilson.

It was all done through a programme called TransferRoom which is like an online marketplace for football clubs and agents.

You can hang Gio for tactics, attitude, style of play, or man management if that is your perception, but recruitment was simply not his.

This has been repeatedly explained, and now an ex footballer is saying it and people still refuse to accept it.
 
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