Did Glenn Kamara plead guilty to the charge of assaulting Kudela in the tunnel?
Well let’s look at the situation. A nice quiet unassuming and respectful black person reacts to a white person who approached him, covered his mouth, leant into him and said something to him. The reaction from the black person and a black colleague nearby indicates something ‘wrong’ has been said.Why are you angry with him? He is right. Proof and evidence are not the same thing at all. Zungu saying he heard the same thing is evidence. TV picking it up is proof. UEFA have decided that there is enough evidence to assume guilt, without guilt actually being proven. It is, all things considered, the correct decision from them in this instance.
Well let’s look at the situation. A nice quiet unassuming and respectful black person reacts to a white person who approached him, covered his mouth, leant into him and said something to him. The reaction from the black person and a black colleague nearby indicates something ‘wrong’ has been said.
Balance of probabilities is sufficient to establish guilt civilly. The moral compass of the white player and his club defending him is fucked, pretty much in the same way that any person who tries to make ‘excuses’ using theories and pedantic bullshit re evidence and proof.
Go and put your puerile proof/evidence nonsense to Goldson et al and at the same time apply for a job with the BBC.
As I said to another poster, let’s dispense with the puerile proof/ evidence nonsense. I’m astounded that Rangers fans are coming out with this. Balance of probability is all that is needed to determine guilt civilly. I will save timedetailing the events as they are so one sided in favour of Glen.Kudela obviously said something racist but there isn't any concrete proof to people that didn't hear it due to him covering his mouth, there is no need to insult him for saying they could resort to this technicality because they obviously could.
It's why there are now calls to fine players for covering their mouths.
Comments like that should see him banned from such programmes.
5.10 in.
Fair play to Martin and McManus for saying Kamara should've gotten fúck all except a UEFA fair play award for battering him.
Kudela can serve his ban for International games but Kamara's ban is only club games!!Disappointed yet again with Uefa. Somewhat of a disgrace to give Kudela the minimum 10 game ban when it has been highlighted so much in the media and social media. It sends out the wrong signals. Given how he did it and given how Slavia tried to protect him and their club by denying the entire episode Uefa should have aimed to make an example of him and Slavia. They failed. In doing so, it makes a mockery of their various offensives against racism. This was the one they could have made an example of for Europe. A year ban all competitions and Slavia thrown out of the EL.
And what about Glen Kamara? A 3 match ban. Ridiculous doesn't even begin to get near the reality of it nor the message Uefa have sent out - be racially insulted and expect the player to walk away. Sad. If we succeed to gain entry to the Champions League group phase next season we are bound to get Slavia. Absolute certainty.
The ludicrous punishment for Kudela shows his action was justified for me. UEFA have done feck all. Let’s face it if you or any of your family were called the equivalent in the street you’d clock the offender. But in the street the offender would probably get a criminal record and possible jail time.Ban should be harsher for Kudela but he’s got the maximum amount under the current rules so have to agree there.
Disgusting what happened to Kamara but as a professional footballer you can’t just go about sticking one on someones jaw no matter what they said. I assume they’ve taken the mitigating circumstances into the 3 game ban.
The Roofe one is a joke, it was dangerous play but never intentional.
They should be hammered for their response. They accused Kamara of lying and emboldened hundreds of racists within their support to subject him to more abuse. Its pretty despicable.Why have Slavia all of a sudden issued an apology to Kamara after all the statements they have been releasing?
Not the case unless the Czechs call him up for a tournament he has no chance of playing inChap on Twitter saying Kudela could play against us in a potential champions league qualifier but,Kamara couldn’t !
I had a look back in the thread and I think a lot of outlets have got mixed up, I’m not sure either way at this stage.Where are you getting it from that he got the maximum? Sarwar seems to this he got the minimum?
Utter utter vermin who should have the book thrown at them.Slavia are still at it!
Slavia Prague president Jaroslav Tvrdik has defended racist Ondrej Kudela by sharing a disturbing article which makes reference to lynching.
Kudela was hit with a ten game ban by UEFA yesterday after being found guilty of calling Rangers ’ Glen Kamara a “f****** monkey”.
Kamara was handed with a three game ban for apparently assaulting Kudela in the Ibrox tunnel following the flashpoint.
But Slavia chief Tvrdik reposted an online article that claimed the Czech defender had been “lynched” following the Europa League incident.
Despite an official statement from the club apologising to Kamara for any “distress” caused, it appears the President is continuing to back his player despite the punishment.
He reposted an article from Czech outlet Seznam Zpravy on his personal Twitter feed.
Authored by Jiri Hozek, who is the publication’s deputy editor in chief, the call to ban Kudela was branded an “extremely stupid” one by the “UEFA mafia” and that the Slavia man had been victim of a “modern lynching” online.
Lynchings were commonly carried out in the American south in the past and are a dark example of the racial violence that was committed against people of colour.
In addition to bans handed out to Kudela and Kamara, Kemar Roofe was banned for four games
after his dangerous challenge on Slavia ‘keeper Ondrej Kolar.
The Czech side are in Europa League action tonight when they host Arsenal in the second leg of their quarter-final tie with the score poised at 1-1 from the first leg.
They will probably reduce his ban fucking scumSlavia are still at it!
Slavia Prague president Jaroslav Tvrdik has defended racist Ondrej Kudela by sharing a disturbing article which makes reference to lynching.
Kudela was hit with a ten game ban by UEFA yesterday after being found guilty of calling Rangers ’ Glen Kamara a “f****** monkey”.
Kamara was handed with a three game ban for apparently assaulting Kudela in the Ibrox tunnel following the flashpoint.
But Slavia chief Tvrdik reposted an online article that claimed the Czech defender had been “lynched” following the Europa League incident.
Despite an official statement from the club apologising to Kamara for any “distress” caused, it appears the President is continuing to back his player despite the punishment.
He reposted an article from Czech outlet Seznam Zpravy on his personal Twitter feed.
Authored by Jiri Hozek, who is the publication’s deputy editor in chief, the call to ban Kudela was branded an “extremely stupid” one by the “UEFA mafia” and that the Slavia man had been victim of a “modern lynching” online.
Lynchings were commonly carried out in the American south in the past and are a dark example of the racial violence that was committed against people of colour.
In addition to bans handed out to Kudela and Kamara, Kemar Roofe was banned for four games
after his dangerous challenge on Slavia ‘keeper Ondrej Kolar.
The Czech side are in Europa League action tonight when they host Arsenal in the second leg of their quarter-final tie with the score poised at 1-1 from the first leg.
Thanks BroNot the case unless the Czechs call him up for a tournament he has no chance of playing in
What about Kamara and Finland where he is certain to playThanks Bro
I’d love to think that was correct. In fact, common sense dictates that to be correct. However, I can find nothing in either FIFA or UEFA Rules to confirm it and everything I read suggests that Kudela will serve his ban over the Euros. The Czechs won’t include him in their squad though.Not the case unless the Czechs call him up for a tournament he has no chance of playing in
The police don't need to charge him and given the apparent corroborated evidence, don't need to interview him either. They can just report the circumstances to the PF as normal and explain that he hasn't been formally cautioned & charged.Yup they could have went down to Wales to charge him. Couldn't be arsed. Too many house parties to harass.
I struggle to see how he could serve his ban without being included in the Czech squad for the Euro's .... But then again, it's UEFA we're talking about, so who knows.I’d love to think that was correct. In fact, common sense dictates that to be correct. However, I can find nothing in either FIFA or UEFA Rules to confirm it and everything I read suggests that Kudela will serve his ban over the Euros. The Czechs won’t include him in their squad though.
Can‘t think of the last international player we had who was suspended or recall whether he still was included in an international squad or not, but I fear Kudela will be back playing in CL before Kamara is.
I agree with everything you say. That’s exactly how it should be. Still not convinced though.I struggle to see how he could serve his ban without being included in the Czech squad for the Euro's .... But then again, it's UEFA we're talking about, so who knows.
For Czech games in the Euro's to be included as part of his suspension, I would imagine that he would have to be included in the 24 man squad, but take no part in the games. Effectively leaving the Czech's a man short for the Euro's.
Whether or not the National team would do this to benefit Slavia, I don't know.
I understand that, but surely it can't be open to abuse.I agree with everything you say. That’s exactly how it should be. Still not convinced though.
If, for example, Ryan Jack was suspended for a Scotland game I’m sure he’d be left out the squad. Would that count as serving his ban? I suspect it would but can’t find anything to support that. These days international squads are usually for two or three games so the player would be included in the squad because he’d only miss the first game and be eligible for the others. That’s obviously not the case with Kudela but it’s difficult to find a precedent. Bear in mind it’s the player UEFA are looking to punish rather than the Czech National team.
Obviously not, in relation to Bassey. Bassey is eligible to play for England, Italy or Nigeria just as a side note.I understand that, but surely it can't be open to abuse.
eg. If Calvin Bassey was given a 10 game ban, could he count England's games in the Euro's?
F*cks sake, so Kamara facing potential action as well.
I think in normal situations where a player has an international ban they are still included in the overall squad. For normal international games (qualifiers etc) there are no real limits on the amount of players called up - and squads can be changed between matches even in the same international period - so a ban like this only really becomes significant when its a major tournament with squad limits.I agree with everything you say. That’s exactly how it should be. Still not convinced though.
If, for example, Ryan Jack was suspended for a Scotland game I’m sure he’d be left out the squad. Would that count as serving his ban? I suspect it would but can’t find anything to support that. These days international squads are usually for two or three games so the player would be included in the squad because he’d only miss the first game and be eligible for the others. That’s obviously not the case with Kudela but it’s difficult to find a precedent. Bear in mind it’s the player UEFA are looking to punish rather than the Czech National team.
They would go a man lightIf Czechia include Kudela in their squad, despite him not being available, that would be a new level of disgrace. Surely, surely not.
Yep, but it would prevent him ever playing in the UK again, unless he is happy to be arrested and potentially held in a prison until his trial (or if he pleads guilty, the duration of his sentence). This in itself is far more punishment than UEFA have given.The police don't need to charge him and given the apparent corroborated evidence, don't need to interview him either. They can just report the circumstances to the PF as normal and explain that he hasn't been formally cautioned & charged.
The PF would then advise him of a Trial date and if he failed to appear, then a Warrant would be issued for his arrest. Unfortunately, it is unlikely it would progress any further unless he entered the UK at some point.
Seems he was pushing for maximum and thought he’d received maximum. I’m still not sure what the exact wording is but yes he seems to have misread something. I’m not sure it makes a huge difference to anything though. The punishments are what they are. It won’t make any difference to an appeal. It’s really just people getting their nickers in a twist.Am I the only one who thinks GK's lawyer has made a mess of this.
His initial tweet after the UEFA announcement was about how Kudela had received the "maximum" 10 game suspension and stated that that was exactly what they were pushing for.
He went on to say that they wanted to ban Kamara for 5 games but he got it reduced to 3.
He later changed his tweet to say "minimum", omitted all reference to that being what they were pushing for and was now condemning the extent of the suspension - which was in total contradiction to his initial tweet.
Sounds to me that he misread the UEFA rules, thought that 10 games was the maximum punishment and, as such, actually asked for that to be the suspension given to Kudela.
My understanding is that any appeal can only be to have the verdict overturned and for Kudela to be found not guilty of racism.Seems he was pushing for maximum and thought he’d received maximum. I’m still not sure what the exact wording is but yes he seems to have misread something. I’m not sure it makes a huge difference to anything though. The punishments are what they are. It won’t make any difference to an appeal. It’s really just people getting their nickers in a twist.