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Not a criticism of the FAB individuals, but responses from the Club were predictably bland. TBH, am not sure that any sort of "FAB" group would be able to get anything other than bland responses.

Were FAB members nominated/voted upon/invited? As I say not a dig, I just can't remember.
 
How cynical can people be.

It's obvious everything was going to plan at the time they were asked about the rumours then by sheer coincidence 3 days later the same issues arose as was rumoured.

These things like the fan advisory board and increasing communication/transparency with fans is a complete waste of time as you know they will just lie to your face if it suits them.
It's obvious?

The rumours were put them and they denied it. The rumours were correct.

What is it you take from that?

Edit. . Apogiese never took you sarcasm on board
 
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In the unlikely event that we found a bank willing to lend us the same amounts what interest rate do you think they might have charged? We still struggle to find a reputable lender willing to risk that sort of cash at any rate, never mind at 8%.

What you say is correct though, unless their shares bomb they will make money. If they don't make the loan though then the money simply isn't there.

My point is that a business like ours which 46000 season tickets, huge fan base, guaranteed European income and big merchandising opportunities shouldn’t be relying on loans to survive. The fact we are suggests that they aren’t capable.

What I reject is that the board are made out to be some kind of saviours but that is because the starting point was so low. The club are regressing badly in every area under their leadership

Also guys like Dave king who bought their shares for 17/18p but now want 40p+ .
 
It's becoming increasingly clear, if it wasn't already, that our board, although well meaning, lack the expertise and experience needed to run a football club of our stature.

But, there's nobody else, that we know about anyway, waiting in the wings to take over.

We're basically left hoping Clement IS Harry Potter.
 
My point is that a business like ours which 46000 season tickets, huge fan base, guaranteed European income and big merchandising opportunities shouldn’t be relying on loans to survive. The fact we are suggests that they aren’t capable.

What I reject is that the board are made out to be some kind of saviours but that is because the starting point was so low. The club are regressing badly in every area under their leadership
We will struggle until we are fully clear of all and any loans or legal shit we have to pay. Remember, we are still paying off the Fat C*nt millions by instalment after losing that case and we still face another claim (£9m was it?) from the Elite liquidators.

The 'blame' for those lies with the Board, of course, but today's Board is notably changed from the Board that led us into those failed escapades.

King might want 40p but nobody is biting so its clear he's overvalued them. 30p might be nearer the mark. Less if he wants to sell them as a block.
 
I'm guessing the club get to sign off the minutes before they are released? Club eh...can you add "at this minute" to the item re the stadium development, cheers.
 
It's unhelpful to start talking about spivs and whyte etc.

John Bennett has put a lot of money up and his motivations and intentions are beyond question.

It is becoming clear that he is not capable of running the club and the discussion should be focused on his competence for office, or apparent lack of it, alone.
He wouldnt have had to as much in along with Park etc if the club was being run correctly and wasting 10s of millions on managers, court cases and very poor recruitment.
 
All these directors past and present over the past 25 years are blazer chasers.
There on ego trips.

For example - Alastair Johnson.

Signed off accounts under Murray and sat back.

Flys in from the USA, what has he done for Rangers?, sponsorship from America ? nope.
Investors from America - nope.

How much has he put into Rangers, not a lot i pressume.

Theres businessmen who have paid for hospitality / tickets etc that have put a lot more in.

Graeme Park, living off the fathers name.
 
It's becoming increasingly clear, if it wasn't already, that our board, although well meaning, lack the expertise and experience needed to run a football club of our stature.

But, there's nobody else, that we know about anyway, waiting in the wings to take over.

We're basically left hoping Clement IS Harry Potter.
This is what feeling I'm getting and the folk running it all aren't bringing it all together.
 
The club seem hell bent on extinguishing any remaining good will and optimism. Absolutely bizarre business approach. With our first game in what, three weeks or so? It's going to take one hell of a turn around to stop folk going nuts at the first dropped points.
 
Not a criticism of the FAB individuals, but responses from the Club were predictably bland. TBH, am not sure that any sort of "FAB" group would be able to get anything other than bland responses.

Were FAB members nominated/voted upon/invited? As I say not a dig, I just can't remember.
Here's a scenario
If they challenged the club how long till their off the FAB ?
 
All these directors past and present over the past 25 years are blazer chasers.
There on ego trips.

For example - Alastair Johnson.

Signed off accounts under Murray and sat back.

Flys in from the USA, what has he done for Rangers?, sponsorship from America ? nope.
Investors from America - nope.

How much has he put into Rangers, not a lot i pressume.
I have actually forgotten alot about previous members of the board

But to my mind he was popular? Certainly with the American Rangers
 
Aye all those rumours that were going around for weeks prior to the meeting were just made up.

Some of our fans are buttoned up the back

Sorry, I hadn’t realised there were rumours.

I’ve been steering clear of this subject for obvious reasons.
 
John Bennett's lack of attendance and the club stating they are on top of the upgrades three days before telling us that Ibrox won't be ready for the start of the season is almost unbelievable.
It's actually embarrassing they've put that out today.
 
I’d have liked them to ask Robertson and koppen about missing out on targets we were clearly down the line with and if bisgrove leaving has had an impact on negotiations.
 
All these directors past and present over the past 25 years are blazer chasers.
There on ego trips.

For example - Alastair Johnson.

Signed off accounts under Murray and sat back.

Flys in from the USA, what has he done for Rangers?, sponsorship from America ? nope.
Investors from America - nope.

How much has he put into Rangers, not a lot i pressume.

Theres businessmen who have paid for hospitality / tickets etc that have put a lot more in.

Graeme Park, living off the fathers name.
Spot on. Alistair Johnson and Paul Murray at the time didn't challenge Murray when he was selling the club down the river.
 
Remember when Warburton used to say we will learn from it and fix it in training

This is the boards version of that and making fools out of the fans
 
We as fans should be in a position where we can hold the board to account, but it doesn’t feel like there are any viable options to do so. The FAB comes across as a box-ticking exercise.

Club1872 should’ve been our platform, but the less said about that the better.
 
We as fans should be in a position where we can hold the board to account, but it doesn’t feel like there are any viable options to do so. The FAB comes across as a box-ticking exercise.

Club1872 should’ve been our platform, but the less said about that the better.
The only other alternative is the AGM but that is stage managed and some fans use up valuable time to ask daft questions about Hampden tickets.
 
The only other alternative is the AGM but that is stage managed and some fans use up valuable time to ask daft questions about Hampden tickets.
I’ve stopped paying attention to the AGM. The board have had an easy ride post-55.

There are too many happy clappers in our support unfortunately.
 
No one needs to give him money.
Did someone give King or Park money?
He will retain his shareholding but must step down as chairman after this debacle reducing the club to ridicule
Out of curiosity was has Bennett done in his one year as Chairman to reduce the club to ridicule? This isn’t me defending him or the board but I’m curious of people’s thoughts on what he has done.

Take the issue with the stadium, if rumours are to be believed someone lost their job due to it. That looks like action being taken by the board over it. The chairman wouldn’t be handling the stadium expansion personally, if anyone on the board did it would have been the CEO. When did the board know the work wouldn’t be compete on time and what actions they took as a response is the questions we need to know to understand if they acted correctly. I understand the anger over it from most of the support. I can’t say I’m happy about it myself. I do understand there being delays in the steel, but the reasons around it as well as what contingency was in place by the project manager I’d be keen to know before fully blaming the board.

The same board backed the manager last summer that they didn’t appoint (I’m sure Beale was brought in with Park as chairman?), and would have been criticised and called an embarrassment if they didn’t back him. Now they have they are also being criticised for doing so. I ask what people think he has done specifically as I find some criticism of the board goes over the top, is aimed at the wrong people within the club, or the board get blamed for decision made by their predecessors. Saw it often with the legal issues that ran into Parks chairmanship even though they were caused by King.

Since the club was taken over, King had us in countless legal battles that we could have done without and ran into Parks time at the club. Bennett I believe has just worked his years notice period to focus full time on being chairman at the club, so there is slim to no chance he steps down now.

I think the appointments of Clement and Koppen have been (on paper) the type of appointments the footballing side have been crying out for. I think if we can bring in a CEO who has actual experience running the day to day of a football club will make a massive difference.
 
Honestly so fucking done with this nonsense and the non footballing side of the club. Staggering from one %^*& up to the next with no sign of change. Anger is just turning to apathy now which I appreciate is probably worse.

Only bit I was really remotely interested in was what Nils Koppen had to say regarding recruitment.
 
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