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Harrogate Bluenose

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you're missing the point here so let me break it down. WE SHOULD TAKE OUR OWN CHANCES! We take the key chances we had and were 5-2 up. Blaming refs is a crap excuse. The players know what theyre going to be up against. Blaming everybody else but the team will never resolve anything

we scored 2, we should not need to score 3 because of bent officials.
 

Fatbearblue

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you absolutely reek. Either that or you are deluded if you think the officials todays was not a reason for points dropped.

Just to bring some sense to this situation. If Kent scores when through one on one its 3-1 and we win, if Arfield scores when through one on one (twice) we win.

If Connor Goldson had not passed the ball directly to their player just before their second goal they dont score and it remains 2-1.

If any of the above three things happen/dont happen we win and the officials have no say, for you to claim "the only" reason we did not win today is solely down to the officiating is simply not true.
 
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Ibroxcw

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I’ve actually realised Robertson was the ref the night of the Killie game where he disallowed the Morelos goal for 2 hands on the back of the defender, how the %^*& does he explain the Doidge goal today???
Think that was Beaton mate
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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Just to bring some sense to this situation. If Kent scores when through one on one its 3-1 and we win, if Arfield scores when through one on one (twice) we win.

If Connor Goldson had not passed the ball directly to their player just before their second goal they dont score and it remains 2-1.

If any of the above three things happen/dont happen we win and the officials have no say, for you to claim "the only" reason we did not win today is solely down to the officiating is simply not true.

Wait a minute, so illegal goals count?

If officials do their job we win, end of.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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Youve ignored what i said havent you? what happens if we take our chances?

but you have ignored what I said, we were winning ie 3 points in the bag. If ref / linesmen do their job we dont need to score again!

obv is we score again, then we have more of an advantage. Has it come to this. We must be two goals ahead due to bent oficials?
 

Fatbearblue

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but you have ignored what I said, we were winning ie 3 points in the bag. If ref / linesmen do their job we dont need to score again!

I'm not ignoring it, I just chose to look at the viewpoint that if we take our chances we win. We are not going to agree either so once again we will leave it there.
 

GarrieRFC

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What a thread this is. We were cheated for the 2nd goal as he was clearly offside and the linesman is looking right along the line, can't miss that! As for the header I'm not seeing a thing wrong with it tbh. Looks like Helsnder, who I thought was good today, got caught under it whilst the boy had a bit of a run.

The tackle on Kent was a yellow at least but Hanlon's elbow was a straight red.

Officials to blame yes.. ourselves to blame, also yes
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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I'm not ignoring it, I just chose to look at the viewpoint that if we take our chances we win. We are not going to agree either so once again we will leave it there.

agreed. Laws of the game we get 3 points, but because we are playing to illegal rules we need to make sure in future we are at least 2 goals ahead. I get it.
 

Geno

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Youve ignored what i said havent you? what happens if we take our chances?

Us taking/not taking our chances is a separate issue.

If Connor Goldson had not passed the ball directly to their player just before their second goal they dont score and it remains 2-1.

Connor did make a poor clearance which led to them scoring.
However, their goal should have been ruled offside.

As @Harrogate Bluenose has stated, it was illegal.

What is so difficult to understand?
 

Fatbearblue

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Us taking/not taking our chances is a separate issue.

If Connor Goldson had not passed the ball directly to their player just before their second goal they dont score and it remains 2-1.

Connor did make a poor clearance which led to them scoring.
However, their goal should have been ruled offside.

As @Harrogate Bluenose has stated, it was illegal.

What is so difficult to understand?

I understand it perfectly, ive stated ive chosen to look at from a different point of view, whats so difficult to understand about that?
 

MightyGersLand!

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No, what I’m saying is it’s not the only reason we dropped points today.
That's not a viable excuse when Celtic get help to make sure they win 2-1 and 3-2 in the last 2 games, and refs help our opposition get a point.

When 2 teams are relatively tightly matches and so far ahead of the rest, it doesn't take a degree in advanced mathematics to work out that the point swing this causes is insurmountable.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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I understand it perfectly, ive stated ive chosen to look at from a different point of view, whats so difficult to understand about that?

I take it you agree if it was England and VAR was used we get 3 points. But due to corrupt officials. I wont say incompetent as it is a pattern and has history. We need to score more to stop them influencing results.

That my friend just shows you what we have come to expect playing football in this country. It really is a bogey.
 

MightyGersLand!

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I'm not ignoring it, I just chose to look at the viewpoint that if we take our chances we win. We are not going to agree either so once again we will leave it there.
Do you think that's a reasonable goal or expectation?
To score a goal a game more than Celtic.
To make up for refs doing us over?
You've less money. A smaller squad. And need 38 goals more to make up for being done up like a kipper every time its tight.

We'd be as well just admitting we've no chance of winning this league if we are not going to fight for something approaching a level playing field.
 

Fatbearblue

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I take it you agree if it was England and VAR was used we get 3 points. But due to corrupt officials. I wont say incompetent as it is a pattern and has history. We need to score more to stop them influencing results.

That my friend just shows you what we have come to expect playing football in this country. It really is a bogey.

Of course I agree but we dont have VAR. Tell you what, withdraw from the league, stop playing football, lets wind the club up and call it a day.
 

Geno

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I understand it perfectly, ive stated ive chosen to look at from a different point of view, whats so difficult to understand about that?

I can see your point of view but I humbly disagree.
Players are allowed to miss sitters (not illegal) but the team should still be protected by the laws of the game.

It is a basic premise that teams should not gain an advantage from illegal play, which was patently the situation today.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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Of course I agree but we dont have VAR. Tell you what, withdraw from the league, stop playing football, lets wind the club up and call it a day.

thats ridiculous, why not call out the cheats and the bigots.

Here is a question for you, after the horror show by clancy in our 2-1 win there. Why did he then get 2 more celtic games in the proceeding 6 that were played. Why have we had him twice in our 8 games to date? Is he being rewarded for being a corrupt lady's front bottom?

Or let me put it another way.

Why has Alan Muir not been given another game after having the cheek to award Killie a penalty against the SFA beloved celtic on the 2nd game of this season.

Refs are shitting it to do anything against celtic, from their peers, press and that club. On the otherhand.. we Just bend over.

But hey our fans think we should just score more and its our fault if we are only leading by a single goal.
 

Fatbearblue

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An erudite, reasoned response - not.

Regardless of my response we wont agree on these points but the FF of today means that people will keep hammering away with their point without being able to understand that people have wildly differing opinions on a lot of things, on FF these days that seems to be the norm, if you dont agree i'll just keep going until you do.
 

Fatbearblue

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thats ridiculous, why not call out the cheats and the bigots.

Here is a question for you, after the horror show by clancy in our 2-1 win there. Why did he then get 2 more celtic games in the proceeding 6 that were played. Why have we had him twice in our 8 games to date? Is he being rewarded for being a corrupt lady's front bottom?

Or let me put it another way.

Why has Alan Muir not been given another game after having the cheek to award Killie a penalty against the SFA beloved celtic on the 2nd game of this season.

Refs are shitting it to do anything against celtic, from their peers, press and that club. On the otherhand.. we Just bend over.

But hey our fans think we should just score more and its our fault if we are only leading by a single goal.

And you can type this 100 times over until your blue in the face but until the club act, nothing changes, and in the current world we live in i'll just try and enjoy the football if you dont mind. Now once again instead of trying to convince me of your point of view lets just agree to disagree.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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And you can type this 100 times over until your blue in the face but until the club act, nothing changes, and in the current world we live in i'll just try and enjoy the football if you dont mind. Now once again instead of trying to convince me of your point of view lets just agree to disagree.

ok fine but what do you disagree with?
 

Geno

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Regardless of my response we wont agree on these points but the FF of today means that people will keep hammering away with their point without being able to understand that people have wildly differing opinions on a lotof things, on FF these days that seems to be the norm, if you dont agree i'll just keep going until you do.

The point about a forum is discussion and debate.

Everyone has, and is entitled to, an opinion

You accept that Rangers losing goals, which shouldn't have been awarded is okay but expect our response should to run up the park and score?
 

Fatbearblue

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The point about a forum is discussion and debate.

Everyone has, and is entitled to, an opinion

You accept that Rangers losing goals, which shouldn't have been awarded is okay but expect our response should to run up the park and score?

Debate away, i choose not to debate with you anymore.
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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The point about a forum is discussion and debate.

Everyone has, and is entitled to, an opinion

You accept that Rangers losing goals, which shouldn't have been awarded is okay but expect our response should to run up the park and score?

its not even about scoring goals or offsides. Its blatant different treatment that the Rangers staff get by these officials.

the corrupt cabal with the help of the media have done a job on alfie. And our club. shhhhhh fingers in ears, eyes closed
 

douzpwa

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No, what I’m saying is it’s not the only reason we dropped points today.
Sounded more like you were suggesting our legit complaints about wrong decisions going against us were on a par with celtic's deluded claims when they are beaten fairly which tbh they are not beaten often but thats another story!

Don't know why you just didn't say what you wrote in this reply?

"No, what I’m saying is it’s not the only reason we dropped points today."
 

Harrogate Bluenose

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its just corrupt nothing else.
 

clash city rocker

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We’re not good enough - the club isn’t doing enough to sort that.
Officials aren’t good enough - the club isn‘t doing enough to sort that.
 

Walker54

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That was not the only reason we failed to win today.

Blaming the officials every time we drop points is sticking your head in the sand.

It’s also for the Yahoos.
Sure that was your thoughts after we were cheated in the league Cup final last season also?
Open your eyes, it's every week regardless of whether we win or lose we are seeing 'honest' mistakes
 

Walker54

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And if Arfield, Kent and Morelos had been more clinical in front of goal the offside would have been academic.

Folk have been saying the same since the start of the season. We’re still far too wasteful in front of goal for the amount of possession we have and chances we create.

It can’t always be down to refs cheating us out of points - we’re a big part of why we’re failing too.
Yes the players shouldn't be so wasteful, however when we score two legitimate goals that doesn't give officials license to allow offside goals, reckless challenges to make us have to score 3-4 legitimate goals to win the game.
It's a fact, that's not paranoia or moaning for the sake of it.
 

jf1960

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A. Why was Hibs first goal scorer allowed to stay on the park after the Achilles scrape on Kent?

B. Why was their 2nd goal not offside and then why was it not a foul on Helander when their player uses his hand for leverage on him?

Their two goals. Yet no one at Ibrox or in the mhedia will mention it. It is becoming a case that no matter what, as soon as we put in a challenge the officials will do all they can to stop it. It is very evident.

This has been the Stewart Regan era. When these refs were hand picked for a reason. Celtic complained and the next batch were chosen not on their ability.
Well Said Pal, the 2nd goal wasn't Hellanders fault or Goldsons fault or even Tav's fault? but solely the linesmans fault who can't see despite being right in line with no obstructions fault end of
 

cullybear

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The constant late challenges on Kent in particular are going to cost us. He is seen as our danger man and eventually he's going to have ligament/achilles damage and be out for weeks. He's just been lucky so far. As bad as the decisions against us are I don't really understand Gerrard not protecting his players and questioning these "tackles".
 

ibroxbound

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ye lets just get booted fck out of and allow illegal goals then blame the team if we dont score 3.
Unfortunately we are going to have to be more clinical in our finishing. The chances were there to win the game, regardless of the poor refereeing decisions .
That doesn't mean we should continue with the silent mode against the obvious bias against us, especially when a players health is involved.
 

TynesideTrueBlue

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Until we call them out it’s business as usual I’m afraid, the Club didn’t back MB when he called out Clancy for cheating says it all.
 

linthousebear1981

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Despite the first goalscorer being on the park when he shouldn't have been or their second being slightly offside, we should've defended both goals much better.

We should be creating more chances.

We should be stronger in challenges.

We should be more clinical in front of goal.

We are as much too blame for that result as the ref or linesmen, they did not help with their substandard performance but if Goldson didn't %^*& up then that offisde goal doesn't happen. If Barasic doesn't bottle taking Boyle out on what could've been a 50/50 when Boyle took a heavy touch before then setting up the first then they don't get the chances.

Goldson who was tremendous until their second goal, decided to have a mad 5 minutes where he was just fucking everything up. Davis was completely off the boil yesterday, so many stray passes in crucial parts of the game. Kamara tidy footballer but has a real fear of shooting, took one shot yesterday and it was blocked but he was open so many times to shoot from about 20-25 yards but elected to side pass.

We are trying to walk goals in, over passing in situations, no one wanting to take on the responsibility of a shot at goal.

Morelos is playing better but he is not the same as he was in the first 18 months with us. He is not harassing defenders, he is not getting into the channels and running and defenders. He is not making them work anywhere near as hard as he used to. He is still only at about 60% of what we love about him.

Rangers are my team but I have supported Liverpool as well since I was 8 and Gerrard is a legend for me but my patience is starting to wear thin. If this had been any other manager I would've wanted him out by now but he has probably had some leniency from us as a support because of his legendary status in the game and getting results against that mob but we are failing were it really counts, winning titles and trophies, dropping points to the same teams we do every fucking season.
 

HandsomeHead

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Yes the players shouldn't be so wasteful, however when we score two legitimate goals that doesn't give officials license to allow offside goals, reckless challenges to make us have to score 3-4 legitimate goals to win the game.
It's a fact, that's not paranoia or moaning for the sake of it.

More fool me for allowing myself to get suckered back down this one way street, but again, the crux of the debate here is that yes, we do seem to be officiated to a different standard and that is a matter the club really need to do more to actively challenge, but it wasn’t the only reason we failed to pick up all three points yesterday.

Some are just wilfully ignoring that in order to continue droning on about being cheated out of the win.

We had guilt edged chances to win the game comfortably and we couldn’t take them. This has been a feature of Gerrard’s teams right from the word go - we play some very nice possession football, create a lot of chances, but convert a worryingly small percentage of them and this also contributed to our failure yesterday.

I don’t know why that’s so difficult to understand or admit.
 
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