Article Let's Get Serious On Cyriel's Stats

For all I think Dessers is a dumpling, that reads like something you used to get in Match magazine aimed at weans. Tripe.

Dessers goals in 16/17 were for NAC Breda in the Netherlands, not Belgium.
The teams he scored against in the Conference League are all of a more than respectable standard. Union Berlin have been a cracking side for a few years now.
 
It's crazy how poor he's been.

Giving away penalties, loves an offside, can't control the ball, can't hit the target let alone score.

Just an embarrassing showing all round. People say he's a big physical guy but he's actually a lightweight.

Wtf is he playing at. I've seen the videos of him for other teams but it's like we've signed his twin brother who's a plumber or something.
 
What on earth have I just looked at? Ridiculous.

Heres his stats that matter:

6 league games (mainly starts): 1 goal (that hit off him)

2 league cup matches (started one got 45 mins in the other) : 1 goal (a pen)

5 European games (mostly starts): 1 goal (that hit off him), & 1 very good assist.

He has it all to prove. Woeful player on a fairly decent sample size so far.
 
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
 
Alfie shhh! said:
It's crazy how poor he's been.

Giving away penalties, loves an offside, can't control the ball, can't hit the target let alone score.

Just an embarrassing showing all round. People say he's a big physical guy but he's actually a lightweight.

Wtf is he playing at. I've seen the videos of him for other teams but it's like we've signed his twin brother who's a plumber or something.
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He couldn't put a nut in a monkeys mouth.
An utter bin fire of a signing, and an expensive one at that.
 
We need to do Dessers a favour and drop him until we can get rid of him. As soon as another forward is available he can't be playing.

He is woeful and he won't be enjoying being here either. No point damaging the team and hoping he magically becomes a striker now.
 
Alfie shhh! said:
It's crazy how poor he's been.

Giving away penalties, loves an offside, can't control the ball, can't hit the target let alone score.

Just an embarrassing showing all round. People say he's a big physical guy but he's actually a lightweight.

Wtf is he playing at. I've seen the videos of him for other teams but it's like we've signed his twin brother who's a plumber or something.
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Saw somebody on an other thread saying his injury rehabilitation was seriously botched by Cremonese, with reference to some surgeons comments about it. Seems to have been a total pig's ear made of it and the fact we signed him with knowledge of this is a bit mental.
 
mathers1 said:
What on earth have I just looked at? Ridiculous.

Heres his stats that matter:

6 league games (mainly starts): 1 goal (that hit off him)

2 league cup matches (started one got 45 mins in the other) : 1 goal (a pen)

5 European games (mostly starts): 1 goal (that hit off him), & 1 very good assist.

He has it all to prove. Woeful player on a fairly decent sample size so far.
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I think hes been pretty shite since he got here

But if he scores with his arse every week I’ll be quite happy

Its like the “aye but tav takes pens so his 100+ goals dont count”
 
agentcooper said:
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
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I scrolled through it quickly and read the part where goals against Marseille aren't that great because french football isn't great or something.

Dessers is poor but what he did previously is actually quite impressive. He just isn't that player anymore
 
TheEgg said:
I think hes been pretty shite since he got here

But if he scores with his arse every week I’ll be quite happy

Its like the “aye but tav takes pens so his 100+ goals dont count”
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Colak scored goals with his actual feet and head and was deemed not good enough. I don't think 20 goals off your arse for £5 Million would cut it to be honest.
 
It's not the SSB host who's sold you a dummy - it's Cremonese that's sold us one.

What a bizarre article discrediting his goals in Europe because I seem to remember he was trotted out here as "Mr Conference League"...

Look at the stats all you like, dress it up however you want - he is utter dung.
 
ElBuffalo said:
For all I think Dessers is a dumpling, that reads like something you used to get in Match magazine aimed at weans. Tripe.

Dessers goals in 16/17 were for NAC Breda in the Netherlands, not Belgium.
The teams he scored against in the Conference League are all of a more than respectable standard. Union Berlin have been a cracking side for a few years now.
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The 15 goals he scored in the 19/20 season was for Heracles Almelo he was tied with Steven Bergius for the Golden Boot in the Eredivisie that season.
 
ElBuffalo said:
For all I think Dessers is a dumpling, that reads like something you used to get in Match magazine aimed at weans. Tripe.

Dessers goals in 16/17 were for NAC Breda in the Netherlands, not Belgium.
The teams he scored against in the Conference League are all of a more than respectable standard. Union Berlin have been a cracking side for a few years now.
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Article is based on the image containing the stats.

Sadly the image hasn't been downloaded/uploaded correctly, but here it is at the correct size, and why it states Belgium rather than Netherlands.



I think the "Union Berlin are not Bayern Munich or Borussia Dortmund" thing is fair also. No-one could ever expect a German side to be crap, but as far as the Germans are concerned they're not the very best. Tidy, that's a given, but never an, "Oh my God, that's a terrible draw," either.
 
Going against the grain here I'm not ready to write him off completely, get a manager who knows how to get service to him, get his confidence going I'm sure he will get better. I can only hope, like a lot of forwards he's a confidence player and its at the lowest it can get just now

BrightsideLoyal
 
Grsmith said:
The only stats i need to use are my two eyes.
Unfortunately hes a really poor footballer.
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Same here. He could have scored 200 goals in 100 games prior to coming to Rangers, but what I've seen since he's signed for us is so far from acceptable it's absolutely baffling he still starts games (regardless of injuries)
 
The heart and hand boys made a good suggestion - we need to assess the players on what they’re doing for us now, not in the past.

Dressers isn’t doing much for us at all just now and we asses him on that.
 
ElBuffalo said:
For all I think Dessers is a dumpling, that reads like something you used to get in Match magazine aimed at weans. Tripe.

Dessers goals in 16/17 were for NAC Breda in the Netherlands, not Belgium.
The teams he scored against in the Conference League are all of a more than respectable standard. Union Berlin have been a cracking side for a few years now.
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The stats for 2016/17 for NAC Breda was also in the Erste Divisie (Dutch 2nd division) which was sponsored by Jupiler which has potentially got the author of the article confused.
 
I'm not reading that article which going by the comments in this thread, it is just head in the sand stuff.

I was hopeful he would come good despite the poor start but he's never making it at us. I genuinely can't believe the player we have, is the same player that was bullying defenders in Feyenoord's Conference League run.
 
Alfie shhh! said:
It's crazy how poor he's been.

Giving away penalties, loves an offside, can't control the ball, can't hit the target let alone score.

Just an embarrassing showing all round. People say he's a big physical guy but he's actually a lightweight.

Wtf is he playing at. I've seen the videos of him for other teams but it's like we've signed his twin brother who's a plumber or something.
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You missed out robbing defenders of the ball
Oh wait, that’s right we got two goals chopped off by cheating officials
 
Strange article. We all know he has been crap, no real need to subjectively downplay everything he's done before just to reinforce it. Fwiw his record in the article is decent.
 
agentcooper said:
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
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Opinions are like haemorrhoids. Eventually every arsehole gets one. :))

Me included BTW!
 
Bigbluebear said:
Saw somebody on an other thread saying his injury rehabilitation was seriously botched by Cremonese, with reference to some surgeons comments about it. Seems to have been a total pig's ear made of it and the fact we signed him with knowledge of this is a bit mental.
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This is the most realistic theory

There is no way that in normal circumstances, a guy that scored 20 goals at Feyenoord (just over a year ago) many against decent sides in the Conference, comes to Scotland and looks like a donkey at SPFL level

Beale said we've been tracking him for years - I don't doubt that. I guess we didn't update the scouting profile, or we didn't assess his medical properly. Just another case of professional incompetence at our Club
 
I’d move him to the b team for a month or 2 rather than let him play anymore games with a view of selling him in January unless he has a miraculous transformation. Young Lovelace should be played until Danilo’s fit.
 
TheEgg said:
I think hes been pretty shite since he got here

But if he scores with his arse every week I’ll be quite happy

Its like the “aye but tav takes pens so his 100+ goals dont count”
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The ball deflecting off someone & going in is absolutely fück all like a penalty :)) I’ve never said penalties do not count.

Bizarre comparison.
 
agentcooper said:
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
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Agree with this. We went out of Europe to one of the Prague teams and only had a better h2h against the other thanks to their defender having a panic attack and crossing the ball for Alfie to score into an empty net. Up until our run to the final and accruing all those coefficient points half of those teams were miles above us in the rankings. If you're going to slag Dessers then do it on his stats last season and the beginning of this one, not on his overall stats or minute per goal ratio as they are both decent and an indicator of what we thought we were buying.
 
scottishcampbell said:
Going against the grain here I'm not ready to write him off completely, get a manager who knows how to get service to him, get his confidence going I'm sure he will get better. I can only hope, like a lot of forwards he's a confidence player and its at the lowest it can get just now

BrightsideLoyal
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He's pish so far but theres always hope a new manager can bring the best out of him.
 
agentcooper said:
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
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Completely agree with you here.

Would the author of this article downplay the goals Morelos scored for us in Europe because of the reputation of the leagues where the opposition play or the level of competition (ie Europa League not Champions League)?

Union Berlin have been a good German team for a few years. Slavia Prague put us out of Europe a few years back. However to claim Marseille aren't one of the better French teams shows this article up for what it really is - an attack on Dessers!
 
agentcooper said:
Bizarre article which has the opposite effect to what was intended. I'm now actually thinking Dessers is better than I thought!

The writer is going to great to great lengths to discredit Dessers stats, saying the conference league is full of 'football faeces' then lists Dessers goals being against Slavia, Union Berlin, Partizan, Maccabi, Slavia again and a double against Marseille.

These are all decent teams, not world beaters but all easily well above SPL level teams.

A player with that record should be doing a lot better in our league. As to why he's been so terrible, who knows, but the article is trying way too hard to downplay his record.
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To be honest these opponents are a thousand times better than most Teams Morelos was allowed to score.
 
KensingtonBlue said:
This is the most realistic theory

There is no way that in normal circumstances, a guy that scored 20 goals at Feyenoord (just over a year ago) many against decent sides in the Conference, comes to Scotland and looks like a donkey at SPFL level

Beale said we've been tracking him for years - I don't doubt that. I guess we didn't update the scouting profile, or we didn't assess his medical properly. Just another case of professional incompetence at our Club
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If this is in any way accurate mate, how many times do dismiss yet another case of professional incompetence.

It seems to me that down through the years the odd moment of competence is actually the exception to the rule where we as a club are concerned.

We never seem to have an unshakable foundation of solidity or identity.
 
Seems like he was capable of scoring a fair few goals before a bad injury. We have gambled on him being able to get back to his best.
 
KensingtonBlue said:
This is the most realistic theory

There is no way that in normal circumstances, a guy that scored 20 goals at Feyenoord (just over a year ago) many against decent sides in the Conference, comes to Scotland and looks like a donkey at SPFL level

Beale said we've been tracking him for years - I don't doubt that. I guess we didn't update the scouting profile, or we didn't assess his medical properly. Just another case of professional incompetence at our Club
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This is what baffles me as well, I'm sure the TLB said sellick were tracking him at one point too, and then I seen him play.

He looks like a middle aged father who used to be a decent player in his teens.
 
Do you think a quicker more open style of play may help him. This 20 passes at the back to middle doesn't help any striker. Our play most of the time is far too slow and our opponents get their shape set up and we can't break them down. Maybe I'm being a bit optimistic but surely there must be something in him to sign him.
 
Bit of a hatchet job. Fan media can be wonderful at times because it exposes you to opinions that you wouldn't encounter elsewhere and at other times it's a hellish landscape filled with trite opinions.

Dessers has a decent track record at a fair few of his previous clubs. Feyenoord fans started a petition to fund the purchase of him. Down playing the teams he scored against in ECL is utter tripe, not every goal scored by Morelos in Europe was scored against Porto, Benfica or Dortmund. Shows the author up as a bit of a half wit.

Arne Slot got a tune out of Dessers because he's a good manager. Micheal Beale has destroyed the lads confidence by starting him when he was 'not up to speed fitness wise yet' and it's spiralled from there. I'm by no means claiming he's going to turn it around at Ibrox, depends on the new manager and if he sees a future for him.
 
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