Carson's Cat
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That's me caught with my trousers down. I'm usually good with names, especially with Swedes as my ex Mrs is from Stockholm. Maybe not as good with typing as I am in Persson...
Lets say we win the league this season
- Thread starter MrBearightside
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Helicopter Sunday team below - what do you reckon?
Rangers:
Waterreus, v McGregor
Ricksen, v Tavernier
Andrews, v Katic
Kyrgiakos, v Goldson
Ball v Barasic,
Arveladze, v Kent
Ferguson, v Aribo
Alex Rae, v Jack
Buffel, v Davis
Prso, v Morelos
Novo. v Arfield
Rathcoole_bluenose
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I'll be too busy being passed out after going on a 4 day bender to care.
Ricksen
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Probably just Novo and Ferguson imo. Prso too if it weren’t for Morelos being such a phenomenon.
Shengus Malengus
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We don't have a single dud in the team.
We've won titles with plenty duds on board.
Not all in the same team obviously, but we've had a few teams carrying passengers.
Just from the 2005 squad alone, could you imagine Bob Malcolm, Steven Thompson, Maurice Ross, Gregory Vignal and Hamed Namouchi getting a game for the current team?
Not a fucking chance.
We've won titles with plenty duds on board.
Not all in the same team obviously, but we've had a few teams carrying passengers.
Just from the 2005 squad alone, could you imagine Bob Malcolm, Steven Thompson, Maurice Ross, Gregory Vignal and Hamed Namouchi getting a game for the current team?
Not a fucking chance.
crookie_bear
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This squad excites me, our style of play both domestically and in Europe excites me. I don't think we are a weak team at all
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Dave570
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Oh how I loved that day. from depression to ecstasy in a matter minutes. Thank you Scott McDonald.
Bigbluebear
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What's your point?
We had some absolute tripe in that squad that contributed very little. Christian Dailly, Amdy Faye, Andy Webster, Chris Burke, Andrius Velicka, Alan Gow, Kirk Broadfoot, David Healy, Kyle Hutton, Richard Foster, Greg Wylde
We might had been successful but it was largely the same 15 or 16 players that Smith trusted and played regularly.
Remember that 2 of the best players from that period are in our squad now and are arguably better players than they were then.
Like I said, we may have had better players individually, but as a squad with strength in depth I think this is our best since 02/03.
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Hal B. Goode
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Think it’s well established that this team is better than the ‘05 team.
We won titles with guys like Fraser Wishart, Neil Murray, Alec Cleland and Garry Bollan. This is a good side we have here.
We won titles with guys like Fraser Wishart, Neil Murray, Alec Cleland and Garry Bollan. This is a good side we have here.
JorgAlbertz
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1986-87 was by far the weakest squad I can remember in my lifetime to win the league. 6 or 7 quality players Butcher, Woods, Cooper, Durrant, McCoist, Roberts and of course Souness but the rest were mediocre players at best.
HandsomeHead
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Better than the side that won three titles in a row and reached a European final?
Not yet it’s not.
Let's not. I recall the jizz fest before the last OF game. Let's cool our jets, keep the head down and work hard and see where we are come Easter.
The correct answer.
Our modern day squad is pretty strong in comparison. I’d even have it over Walters last year.
Smith didn’t reach a European final at the end of his stint.
The team that won 3IAR was a lot different than the one that went to Manchester
90minsofmadness
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We have current Croiatian, Columbian, Nigerian, Swedish, Scottish, Northern Irish, Canadian and Finnish internationals, 2 of which are captains of thier country as well as a former Scotland and England international in our first team.
This ain't a weak squad
This ain't a weak squad
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Marvin_Andrews_Loyal
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2005 was worse than this squad.
Watterus, Kryiakos, Andrews, Smith, Ball, Novo, Rae, Lovenkrands, Hutton (at that point), Bob Malcolm, Stevie Thompson etc wouldn't get into our first team now.
Watterus, Kryiakos, Andrews, Smith, Ball, Novo, Rae, Lovenkrands, Hutton (at that point), Bob Malcolm, Stevie Thompson etc wouldn't get into our first team now.
Barryhopez
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Agreed. People really do lie awake thinking of negatives to spin with this kind of stuff.
YoungGer97
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nah, your right, but the again I did mention that I’m talking about the latter part of that stint. The 2010/11 league winning team was very different to the 07/08 UEFA cup final team
Loud and proud
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Don't care, if we win the league this season I will love this squad to a man for the rest of my days hahaha.
90minsofmadness
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Ricksen was better than tav, Prso without a doubt, Kyriakos was better than Goldson, Shota over Kent no doubt, was the finished article in comparison, Rae potentially over Jack too.
pepsimax73
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Just seeing whittakers name associated with rangers gets my hackles up
HandsomeHead
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I think building a squad is an organic process with change occurring over time, players developing within that period, etc.
Look at Naismith as an example. He was brought in as a young guy during that 2007/08 campaign, but by 2010/11 had matured into arguably our best player.
We also had stalwarts like McGregor, Weir, Papac, Davis even Lee McCulloch that along with Naismith formed the nucleus of that squad.
But above all that we had Smith, a guy with an irrepresible winning mentality that transcended any change in personnel while infusing whatever combination of players he put together with it.
Gerrard is building a really exciting squad and appears to have a similar single minded determination to win, but he hasn't actually done so yet for us.
That's what we need to change.
Ted Rangers
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Can never take that goal in Lisbon away from him. Great moment. Never liked him as a player though.
ca100
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That you Chris Sutton?
Buster
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Ridiculous statement 'weakest squad ' , when we signed people like Katic , Jack , Tav , Kamara , Barasic , Airfield , Kent , Stewart , even Alfie all had their critics on here now we realise how good they are . When we win 55 this season posters will look back and realise how good this squad is. This squad will grow in sure to be remembered with affection for a long long time
Bigbluebear
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Ricksen better at right back than Tav? Behave.
Fudgie1973
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Was thinking the same, I'd say our squad now has more talent than that one, but those guys had an amazing mentality.
Fudgie1973
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Jesus, we do look back with rose coloured specs don't we? I'd disagree with every one of them apart from maybe Shota. It's all about opinions though.
Every single person involved with the club will be immortal.
Like when NASA done the mission to the moon and the cleaner was asked what his job is? His reply to get man on the moon well all the staff at Ibrox job is to deliver 55
90minsofmadness
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Are you saying you disagree with Fergie, Prso and Novo too?
I'd say you are looking Ricksen was POTY that season, Tav hasn't hit those heights, likely never will.
Kyriakos went on to play for Liverpool and had a stellar career. Jack has only started hitting the heights this season, has still to prove himself consistantly.
People are overly negative about that squad I think because it was a downsizing from the Advocaat squads.
90minsofmadness
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Doesn't mention positions anywhere. Ricksen was sensational in 04/05
Bigbluebear
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But ricksen played central midfield most if the season so you cant compare
Ricksen was a laughing stock for us really until he moved into midfield
90minsofmadness
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Laughing stock, catch yourself. He played most of the treble winning season at right back.
I'm just saying he was a better player in 04-05 than which was the comparison someone else made.
Russell
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Yes I agree.
Bigbluebear
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I think recent events may have given a misty perspective of his time with us to be honest.
Maurice Ross and Kevin Muscat played the majority of that season at right back.
We played a 4-3-3 with Ferguson, Arteta and Ricksen in midfield for most of the season.
Comparing Ricksen at right back to Tav at right back is night and day. Ricksen was awful for us at right back and his Rangers career was only really saved by moving into midfield.
Korova Milk Bar
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I don’t care what people think but this team will go down as legends if we win the league this season. It’s a fact given the amount of utter shite we’ve been through such as being on the brink of non-existence. Couldn’t care if it’s “weak” or not, the team is brilliant for such budget.
It’s much better than the team that did Helicopter Sunday.
It’s much better than the team that did Helicopter Sunday.
pepsimax73
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Brilliant goal but imo after that he thought he was up there with Messi and Ronaldo and aye not my favourite player
Fudgie1973
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I wouldn't disagree with Ferguson, but in my opinion, I don't think Novo and Prso are better than Defoe or Morelos. I've had many an argument with my mates about Prso
insanicdrunk
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Wish we would leave the speculation alone. It does no good, especially this negative shit
buffalosoldier
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90minsofmadness
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I've already said I wasn't making that comparison no matter how much your trying to push it.
Bigbluebear
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But you did make that comparison!
It's like saying Prso was better than Goldson. Would you make that comparison? No, as they are different positions.
A comparison between Ricksen and Tavernier can only be made for their contributions at right back, as that's all Tavernier has played for us.
You should be comparing Ricksen to Ryan Jack or Glen Kamara.
Bigbluebear
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As much as I loved Papac, and currently he has contributed more over a longer period, Barisic is a far superior player.
buffalosoldier
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I imagine two years from now Barisic will definitely take over that role, but given his stunted start to his rangers career and the trophies Papac lifted, scoring against fiorentina etc, I've got Sasa in there for now
90minsofmadness
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For the 3rd time, someone else did a player for player comparison. It was Tav V Ricksen in his comparison and all I said was Ricksen is the better player. I didnt mention positions.
Ricksen 04/05 was better than any midfielder we have currently also. Hopefully he it can be eclipsed if the current players keep up thier form and win the league.
Bigbluebear
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Unicorn
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Bit selective there, no? We have some deadwood in the current squad contributing very little too, every squad does. Claiming Broadfoot contributed very little is ludicrous by the way, you may not like him but he played his part.
We may have strength in depth but it’s all relative, the standard of Scottish football is as low as I can remember. The 10/11 squad won the league and cup up against a far superior Celtic team to the current one all while doing reasonably well in the champions league and reaching the latter stages of the Europa League. You don’t do that without a strong squad.