Lionel Messi

Chinacross said:
There saying it was a cross not a shot .the keeper pushed it away .
Livescore says if was a sot
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Its a joke
 
hammer17 said:
Mate you’re 45

When Maradona was at his peak you were still in primary school, you weren’t exactly watching him week in week out

the irony of calling anyone deluded here is obviously not lost on you
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No one, in my time, was watching him week in week out, unless you had a season ticket,there was no YouTube, no social media.

I am sorry, maybe I used the wrong word in *deluded" would delusional fit better?
 
easton78 said:
Still maradonna for me. I don’t think Messi wins Italian league with Napoli near enough on his own or World Cup in 86.
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Hellas Verona won Serie A two seasons before with a pretty limited squad. The only real great players they had were HP Briegel and Prebjen Elkjaer. It was hardly just Maradona either, Di Napoli, Ciro Ferrara and Bruno Giordano were regarded as really good players.

And by the time they won it the second time they had Alemao, Careca, and Gianfranco Zola playing for them.
 
Bluebeard said:
Pele won 3 world cups

Maradona won 1 World Cup

Messi won’t win a World Cup and neither will Ronaldo

Levels.
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Nobby Stiles and Stephane Guivarc'h both won it.
Cruyff didn't and George Best never even played at a finals.

There's a bit more to it.
 
dh1963 said:
Nobby Stiles and Stephane Guivarc'h both won it.
Cruyff didn't and George Best never even played at a finals.

There's a bit more to it.
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Did they win 3? To win 3 world cups is incomparable. You can point to a few who have won 1 and say well they are not that good.

To win 3 is obscene.
 
Bluebeard said:
Pele won 3 world cups

Maradona won 1 World Cup

Messi won’t win a World Cup and neither will Ronaldo

Levels.
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Messi has 4 European Cups, Pele and Maradona have none.

As has already been pointed out, he’d also have won the World Cup in 2014 if Higuain hadn’t missed sitter after sitter. Messi captained Argentina to that final and won player of the tournament.
 
TJ72 said:
Messi has 4 European Cups, Pele and Maradona have none.

As has already been pointed out, he’d also have won the World Cup in 2014 if Higuain hadn’t missed sitter after sitter. Messi captained Argentina to that final and won player of the tournament.
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15 staua Bucharest players have won European cups. Being part of a dominant Barcelona team in a tournament that’s played annually is great well done.

Winning THREE world cups, a tournament that’s only played every four years, is different levels.

Most players don’t even get to play in a World Cup let alone win three.
 
Hopefully Argentina are out on their arse after the next round of matches so we don’t need to put up with any more gushing threads about him.
 
Bluebeard said:
Did they win 3? To win 3 world cups is incomparable. You can point to a few who have won 1 and say well they are not that good.

To win 3 is obscene.
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Totally agree that Pele has a great case for being the greatest. An unbelievable player who dominated world football at a time of great players.
But winning 3 world cups was down to being lucky enough to be born Brazilian and having some absolutely incredible teammates too. Garrincha, Revelino, Gerson, etc etc. That 1970 team's forward line was almost unfair, 5 genuinely world class footballers all at once.

They actually won it in 1962 without him, he missed most of the competition injured.
 
dh1963 said:
Totally agree that Pele has a great case for being the greatest. An unbelievable player who dominated world football at a time if great players.
But winning 3 world cups was down to being lucky enough to be born Brazilian and having some absolutely incredible teammates too. Garrincha, Revelino, Gerson, etc etc. That 1970 team's forward line was almost unfair, 5 genuinely world class footballers all at once.

They actually won it in 1962 without him, he missed most of the competition injured.
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Only 8 teams have ever won the World Cup. It’s safe to say that each player was “ lucky” to be born into a country with a chance of doing so.

To win three world cups as a player will never be matched lest alone beaten.
 
Bluebeard said:
Pele won 3 world cups

Maradona won 1 World Cup

Messi won’t win a World Cup and neither will Ronaldo

Levels.
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If we're being honest Messi could've retired about 5 years ago and still be regarded as the greatest. I remember watching the Champions League years ago when he was still early 20s and the likes of Arsene Wenger and Graeme Souness were saying he's the greatest player of all time.

Never understood the notion that you need to win the World Cup to be the best. Part of it is luck (depending on where you're born) and anything can happen in tournament football.

Surely a better measure is their entire careers laid out? In that regard Messi (and Ronaldo) wipe the floor with anyone. Pele stayed in Brazil playing against farmers and plumbers and Maradona had a couple of good seasons with Napoli, flopped in Spain and fannied about in Argentina.
 
dt17 said:
If we're being honest Messi could've retired about 5 years ago and still be regarded as the greatest. I remember watching the Champions League years ago when he was still early 20s and the likes of Arsene Wenger and Graeme Souness were saying he's the greatest player of all time.

Never understood the notion that you need to win the World Cup to be the best. Part of it is luck (depending on where you're born) and anything can happen in tournament football.

Surely a better measure is their entire careers laid out? In that regard Messi (and Ronaldo) wipe the floor with anyone. Pele stayed in Brazil playing against farmers and plumbers and Maradona had a couple of good seasons with Napoli, flopped in Spain and fannied about in Argentina.
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You lost me at “ luck “ to win a tournament that’s only played every four years , not only that but to win it three times.

Will never be beaten.
 
Hillheadbear said:
Imagine Messi coming up against Claudio Gentile.
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Or the Butcher of Bilbao, who broke Maradona's ankle. Messi would have been lucky to have a career after 25 back then.

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Meet Andoni Goikoetxea - the 'Butcher of Bilbao' who once broke Maradona's ankle

Barcelona and Argentina great Diego Maradona was on the receiving end of some seriously tough tackles in his career, but few can compare to the bruising dished out by the 'Butcher of Bilbao'
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I noticed he never really done much running till about an hour in then he was doing a bit of pressing and more running of the ball, he's maybe conserving his energy for when the opposition tire
 
Bluebeard said:
Only 8 teams have ever won the World Cup. It’s safe to say that each player was “ lucky” to be born into a country with a chance of doing so.

To win three world cups as a player will never be matched lest alone beaten.
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Nobody is saying it will be matched, but that can't and shouldn't be what decides the greatest ever football player.

Multiple Brazilians won it twice, by your logic they are all better than Messi too?

I honestly don't know which of them was better as the generations are so different. The professionalism, the fitness, the pitches, the equipment, the rules around physical play, etc etc. I just know both deserve to be in the discussion as both were the greatest of their time.
 
Colinlam72 said:
I noticed he never really done much running till about an hour in then he was doing a bit of pressing and more running of the ball, he's maybe conserving his energy for when the opposition tire
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To be fair, he’s a 35 year old playmaker now who plays centrally mostly - he shouldn’t really have the legs to press folk at the top level. You’re right though, he was more calculated than you see with most players.

He’s literally ran at full teams of players the last 17 years, kind of demonstrates his natural ability even further to be honest.
 
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