Lundstrum v Davis (some stats)
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charlie_snowball
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Makes perfect sense.
agentcooper
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There's a column missing titled "Actually any good at football"? Values = No and Yes respectively.
Wait till I copy/paste the Morales one...
Riquelme
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Judging a player should always be a mix between what you see with your eyes/video and stats.
I’m a massive fan of stats. But what I’ve seen with my eyes (not tracking runners, defensively unaware, slow on the ball, mistakes) can’t really be tracked by the stats you’ve posted. Hence the mix needed.
We all know Lundstram isn’t anywhere near Davis 20/21.
I’m a massive fan of stats. But what I’ve seen with my eyes (not tracking runners, defensively unaware, slow on the ball, mistakes) can’t really be tracked by the stats you’ve posted. Hence the mix needed.
We all know Lundstram isn’t anywhere near Davis 20/21.
Lovenkrands Dug
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I'd have Jack starting before either of them and we should be signing someone in the summer that absolutely nails that position as their own. Davis has just not been at it this season, personally I think he slows play down and offers little defensive solidity.
cambridgeblue
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Values would be “somewhat” and “used to be” respectively.
Jack is better than both imo
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Well considering a lot of people haven't got the slightest clue about football, I'd probably lean towards the stats.
Thornliebank_Bear
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I guess the point is Lundstram has better stats i cant quite understand most of it though.
Only thing it proves to me is that stats are garbage, when we were struggling earlier in the season and folk didnt want to accept our poor performance or tactics they felt better posting stats about having more of the ball than the rest of the teams.
Only thing it proves to me is that stats are garbage, when we were struggling earlier in the season and folk didnt want to accept our poor performance or tactics they felt better posting stats about having more of the ball than the rest of the teams.
Tino_Col
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Tell Gerrard and Gio. They obviously know f*ck all about football either as they consistently chose Davis of Lundtstrum too.
gersandproud
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I suppose stats aren't in dispute - but they rarely tell the whole story IMO
I know SD on form - regardless of stats - makes me feel safer than JL
SD also has a higher quality contribution - holds his position better & reads the game more
This isn't intended to be a slag JL exercise by the way - & I'm still hopeful he'll improve enough to replace Davis - but he's still got a long way to go yet IMO
I know SD on form - regardless of stats - makes me feel safer than JL
SD also has a higher quality contribution - holds his position better & reads the game more
This isn't intended to be a slag JL exercise by the way - & I'm still hopeful he'll improve enough to replace Davis - but he's still got a long way to go yet IMO
JRei8790
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The arrogance and delusion of grandeur is strong in this one
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
Did they suggest that Lundstram can't play football? Seems to be a common theme throughout FF, despite him having a number of MOTM performances this season.
dt17
The Jay Cartwright of FF
The arrogance and delusion of grandeur is strong in this one
The same people who say Lundstram is shite are probably the same ones who wanted Cummings over Morelos, Flanagan over Tav or the one that's cropped up since Pattersons' emergence - "JUST MOVE TAV INTO MIDFIELD!!".
Salsabear
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CoopBlue
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Have to admit, Davis' slow play has been taken to a new level this season. He certainly slows pay down unnecessarily and his forward play has been poor.
Salsabear
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Your can take your common sense approach and ram it up yer farter…it’s not welcome here.
That's a real strawman argument.
'The reason I am right and you are wrong is that some other people got things wrong in the past.'
Riquelme
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JRei8790
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Don't disagree with any of the above but try not sound as if you taught Pep everything he knows. Your point right or wrong has no more credence than the next persons
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The Jay Cartwright of FF
Why is he shite? If he was so bad why has he been MOTM in a few of our performances this season?
We're so quick to write off players.
Lovenkrands Dug
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For someone who is supposed to control tempo and calm the play down, he misplaces a wild number of simple passes also.
If stats are garbage then why will every top team be using them? Also, you're first line is incorrect, it shows Davis was better in some areas and Lundstam has been better in others.
Riquelme
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This MOTM stuff is mentioned far too often.
They’re debatable awards by sponsors, someone the other day said he has been our MOTM about 5 times.
That would put him in the running for POTY ffs.
Al khobar-ger
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The thought of Lundstrum starting at the sty is the stuff of nightmares
Al khobar-ger
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The MOTM he received are against the poorest teams we have played this year
Thornliebank_Bear
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If it wasnt for stats you wouldnt have any posts or views so you have to say that mate.
Everything is stats, until you start bubbling and need to accuse people that dont press like of saying something strange 10 years ago, which you know probably wasnt even anything to do with them.
chucknorris
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Considering Davis gets rested for a lot of the teams that Lundstram starts as they are inferior opposition, I don't think that's a fair representation.
Roadrunner
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It can be deceptive using these stats as a player could make hundreds of passes in defence when unpressured and run around like a headless chicken covering ground but never when and where it really matters.
Look at a simple game like darts - 2 players over 11 legs in matchplay could have exactly the same averages and neither misses any doubles yet one of them could still win the game 11-0 because they hit the important ones at the right time. Same for tennis.
Look at a simple game like darts - 2 players over 11 legs in matchplay could have exactly the same averages and neither misses any doubles yet one of them could still win the game 11-0 because they hit the important ones at the right time. Same for tennis.
Thornliebank_Bear
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I suppose they will have a look at some stats as any sort of data can help but really isnt so important. Id just ignore it and focus on what goes in out on the pitch or training.
Did the media not recently say ange and the bhoys have the best passing stats in britain or wasnt it europe ?
just a lot bollocks.
OzzyGersman
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I honestly think he’d get sent off. He often starts very slow off the pace and given how quickly the paedos move the ball about an early card is inevitable.
And I speak as someone who rates Lundstram more than most on here. It’s just not a game for him to start IMO.
Klos the Boss
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A thread comparing Davis to Lundstram should be an automatic banning offence.
Northhiglander
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Another column needed know anything about football?
That's why we have stats like 'deep progressions' though
Rudolph Hucker
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Stats only tell you so much, and can be misleading.
For example, statistically speaking on average we have fewer than 2 legs each. We know that’s rubbish in most cases, but the stats say otherwise. Not for nothing do we have the phrase “there are lies, damned lies and statistics”.
I’ll stick to judging what’s in front of me with my own 2 eyes, which is that neither has been good enough often enough this season and both need to up their game significantly.
For example, statistically speaking on average we have fewer than 2 legs each. We know that’s rubbish in most cases, but the stats say otherwise. Not for nothing do we have the phrase “there are lies, damned lies and statistics”.
I’ll stick to judging what’s in front of me with my own 2 eyes, which is that neither has been good enough often enough this season and both need to up their game significantly.
Big Joke New
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The stats will tell you my dog's bollocks hang to within 2 inches of the ground
What they don't tell you is that he's a miniature sausage dog and only has a 3 inch inside leg
What they don't tell you is that he's a miniature sausage dog and only has a 3 inch inside leg
I don’t know why folk judge Lundstram so badly, the whole team were very off when he came in. I don’t think anyone was really getting pass marks so why write him off before we’ve seen him in a more form team. I don’t think he’s massively been below any other midfielder this season and if this was Davis first season in a blue shirt I’m sure the folk calling for Lundstram to be punted would be saying the same on him.
Why can’t we actually give our players and chance and support. By all means let’s say I’d pick this team but let’s not rush to throw them under the bus.
Why can’t we actually give our players and chance and support. By all means let’s say I’d pick this team but let’s not rush to throw them under the bus.
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The Jay Cartwright of FF
Spot on.
Sir Know it All
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This Lundstram starting the OF thing is hilarious given he was excellent in a win at Old Trafford last season, not saying that’s always his level but f*ck sake it’s Celtic being spoke about, he’s played against sides a lot better than them
Played against Lyon as well and should've got a penalty for us. I know it was a defeat but the game was pretty even and it would've been interesting to see how it panned out if we'd got the penalty.
Jack is better than both. He offers more going forward as well
He gets us up the park more than Davis does with his runs and passing. Also has 10 league goals in the last 3 seasons, Davis has none.
Rodney Wallace
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Where is the heat map for turning your back on shots and not tracking your runners?
