Mad Dog offered Celtic job for season ending 2020

Tagsbear said:
The Record reporting that their board had an ‘impromptu’ meeting at the end of the game on Saturday and decided to offer him it.


I find that crazy, they based it on a game they were overwhelming favourites for, makes you wonder what depths they would have plummeted to had they lost.
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That sounds like total bullshit-it's stage managed to look like he achieved something special.

The reality is they struggled badly and his subs had zero impact on the game....there was nothing in that game that would have made them think-hey let's give him it.

They've not been able to get anyone better and they decided if he wins it then he gets it because they are selling it to the support as you say on the basis of them winning and the hype that goes with it.....if they lost I'd think they's have went for the best candidate they had that would have taken the job.

If you are going to give them any credit they've done their business early and no further delays whether it's a gamble that back fires remains to be seen.

It's bad for Scottish football and bad for Lennon but I won't be crying any tears over a serial manipulator and all round arsehole of a person.
 
I don't believe for one second that Benitez would accept a job managing in Scottish football.It was complete pie in the sky moonbeams.Im also not sure journalists like Jackson were told weeks ago Lennon was getting the job.

My take on it is the tims board are in a very difficult situation at present.There's mounting pressure on them over the ring and cover up and their continued denial of it.They know they won't be forgiven if they don't deliver 10IAR.Their wage bill is astronomical and needs cut back and CL money is getting harder and harder to acess.

It seems to me they were considering Lennon level managers and no one they'd be able to attracted really stood out so mad dog was the safest option served with a side salad of he's one of us,a pyoor sellick man.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
Well yes, because you are coming across as such.
Firstly, you say if we had the management team in place sooner.
We all know for a fact that wasn't happening as Gerrard wasn't prepared to leave Liverpool before his contract expired so that rips up your fantasy league winning scenario right away.
I take it in posting that, you are completely ignoring the whole Mcinnes debacle?
If we'd got the management team in place straight after Caixinha then it was Wee Deek and his mentally challenged pal, Steven Gerrard wouldn't even have been mentioned.
You reckon we might have won the league?
How could we have done that with Pedro's duds still getting paid?
I am of course referring to players like Morelos, Candeias and Jack who are conveniently ignored when we're ripping the guy who signed them.

Again, you stick by the claim that he's set us back years and insist we're hamstrung financially.
This in spite of us hiring an entirely new management team with specialist coaches, signing players like McGregor, Arfield, Davis and Defoe on big wages and spending millions on Katic, Goldson, Barisic and Grezda.

Pedro's net spend was £6m, in Morelos we have one player he signed who we'll sell for double that at least.
That alone destroys the idea of us being financially weakened. If that was the case we'd have sold him when the Chinese club showed an interest.

It seems to me that your biggest hang up, and entire basis of your argument is that he signed Pena and Herrera who turned out to be duds.
It's being very selective at best when you consciously ignore his good signings.
Our history is littered with guys like those two, Rozental, Guivarc'h, Kanchelskis, Prodan. Players who cost us a fortune for not much in return.
If we apply your logic, every Rangers manager in my lifetime has 'set us back years'.
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Had we a competent management team in place instead of Pedro, it didn’t have to be Gerrard.

We had to hire an entirety new management team at great expense and pay off Pedro and his goons, two sets of appointments and one set of pay offs, of course that has damaged us financially, certain directors have propped us up financially.

Pedro did not find Morelos, Jack was already arranged, candeias a Pedro signing, has done well for us to be fair.

Yes Mcinnes would have been a disaster too, I’m not advocating him.

The other players you list were all good competent pros who didn’t work out for one reason or another, it happens, but all were signed by managers who brought the club success.

Pedro took us for a ride and made the club look amateur and foolish.
 
I believe in Eli said:
Had we a competent management team in place instead of Pedro, it didn’t have to be Gerrard.

We had to hire an entirety new management team at great expense and pay off Pedro and his goons, two sets of appointments and one set of pay offs, of course that has damaged us financially, certain directors have propped us up financially.

Pedro did not find Morelos, Jack was already arranged, candeias a Pedro signing, has done well for us to be fair.

Yes Mcinnes would have been a disaster too, I’m not advocating him.

The other players you list were all good competent pros who didn’t work out for one reason or another, it happens, but all were signed by managers who brought the club success.

Pedro took us for a ride and made the club look amateur and foolish.
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All you're really doing is proving my point.
You want to rip him, deservedly so by the way, for Pena and Herrera but will not credit him with his good signings.
If he gets the flak for those two, then he must get the credit for Morelos and Jack.

I'd be wrong to slate Gerrard's record based on Ejaria, Sadiq and Coulibaly.
To do so would be me deliberately leaving out the successful signing in order to utterly skew an argument.

It's exactly what you're doing though.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
All you're really doing is proving my point.
You want to rip him, deservedly so by the way, for Pena and Herrera but will not credit him with his good signings.
If he gets the flak for those two, then he must get the credit for Morelos and Jack.

I'd be wrong to slate Gerrard's record based on Ejaria, Sadiq and Coulibaly.
To do so would be me deliberately leaving out the successful signing in order to utterly skew an argument.

It's exactly what you're doing though.
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I’m conscious we are right off topic on this thread but I’ll say this. I’m not particularly interested in slating his signings, every manager has his share of dodgy ones. My point was simply that Pedro took us for a ride.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
All you're really doing is proving my point.
You want to rip him, deservedly so by the way, for Pena and Herrera but will not credit him with his good signings.
If he gets the flak for those two, then he must get the credit for Morelos and Jack.

I'd be wrong to slate Gerrard's record based on Ejaria, Sadiq and Coulibaly.
To do so would be me deliberately leaving out the successful signing in order to utterly skew an argument.

It's exactly what you're doing though.
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JJ told him about Morelos-he brought two players to Scotland he knew first hand on big transfer fees and contracts that helped crippled us along with his own contract. Herrera remarkably he barely played before-Pena was a disgraceful signing.

The guy was a disaster and if we don't stop them winning 10IAR when we pick over the bones of what went wrong he'll be one of the biggest reasons-we effectively lost a season and it crippled us financially short term albeit the eventual sale of Morelos may balance the books-the time we will never get back and SG was left a shambles.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
All you're really doing is proving my point.
You want to rip him, deservedly so by the way, for Pena and Herrera but will not credit him with his good signings.
If he gets the flak for those two, then he must get the credit for Morelos and Jack.

I'd be wrong to slate Gerrard's record based on Ejaria, Sadiq and Coulibaly.
To do so would be me deliberately leaving out the successful signing in order to utterly skew an argument.

It's exactly what you're doing though.
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Morelos was recommended by JJ, even Pedro said so himself, and Jack would likely have been in progress on a Bosman before he arrived, so probably not his eye for a player involved there I’d say.


Pedro gets credit for Candeias who has did us a turn though.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
All you're really doing is proving my point.
You want to rip him, deservedly so by the way, for Pena and Herrera but will not credit him with his good signings.
If he gets the flak for those two, then he must get the credit for Morelos and Jack.

I'd be wrong to slate Gerrard's record based on Ejaria, Sadiq and Coulibaly.
To do so would be me deliberately leaving out the successful signing in order to utterly skew an argument.

It's exactly what you're doing though.
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Pedro was hee haw to do with the Alfie or Jack signings
 
Mview83 said:
Pedro was hee haw to do with the Alfie or Jack signings
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He was the manager!

If he was hee-haw to do with them, then I'll say he wasn't responsible for Pena or Herrera.

He's either the guy responsible for signing players or he isn't.

Which is it to be?
 
I believe in Eli said:
I’m conscious we are right off topic on this thread but I’ll say this. I’m not particularly interested in slating his signings, every manager has his share of dodgy ones. My point was simply that Pedro took us for a ride.
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I'm not disputing the guy was utter horseshit as manager.
I am disputing that he gets all of the blame for the crap he signed but no credit for the good ones.
 
DylanGer said:
JJ told him about Morelos-he brought two players to Scotland he knew first hand on big transfer fees and contracts that helped crippled us along with his own contract. Herrera remarkably he barely played before-Pena was a disgraceful signing.

The guy was a disaster and if we don't stop them winning 10IAR when we pick over the bones of what went wrong he'll be one of the biggest reasons-we effectively lost a season and it crippled us financially short term albeit the eventual sale of Morelos may balance the books-the time we will never get back and SG was left a shambles.
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Administration.
Liquidation.
David Murray.
Craig Whyte.
Charles Green.
Mike Ashley.
The Easdales.
Lloyds Banking Group.
HMRC.
SPL clubs voting us out of football.

Are you absolutely sure you'd have Caixinha anywhere near that list?
 
ChiefWahoo said:
Administration.
Liquidation.
David Murray.
Craig Whyte.
Charles Green.
Mike Ashley.
The Easdales.
Lloyds Banking Group.
HMRC.
SPL clubs voting us out of football.

Are you absolutely sure you'd have Caixinha anywhere near that list?
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You know fine well what I meant-I meant the rebuilding job. In terms of that he set us back at least a season arguably two. His appointment was also met by substantial investment in the team in relation to what we had done previously......
 
DylanGer said:
You know fine well what I meant-I meant the rebuilding job. In terms of that he set us back at least a season arguably two. His appointment was also met by substantial investment in the team in relation to what we had done previously......
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No.
You explicitly stated that if the filth win 10 then Caixinha will be one of the biggest reasons for that.
Why not just admit your post was pish instead of trying to twist the meaning?

He was manager for 1 of the 8 they've won.
Again I'll ask, how can you clsim he set us back two seasons when we've improved tenfold in less than 2 seasons since he left?
 
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They have offered Izaguirre a new contract, however he has declined and left on a free transfer.


Also offering Lustig a new deal.

Interesting times ahead if that's what they are doing
 
ChiefWahoo said:
No.
You explicitly stated that if the filth win 10 then Caixinha will be one of the biggest reasons for that.
Why not just admit your post was pish instead of trying to twist the meaning?

He was manager for 1 of the 8 they've won.
Again I'll ask, how can you clsim he set us back two seasons when we've improved tenfold in less than 2 seasons since he left?
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What funds would SG have had if Pedro and his flop signings had't required being paid off?

I would suggest Pedro's tenure cost us approx 6-9M in total money down the drain on transfer fees and wages and his own pay off.
SG brought in approx 10M from Europe-Pedro zero.
 
DylanGer said:
What funds would SG have had if Pedro and his flop signings had't required being paid off?

I would suggest Pedro's tenure cost us approx 6-9M in total money down the drain on transfer fees and wages and his own pay off.
SG brought in approx 10M from Europe-Pedro zero.
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What does that have to do with your mental suggestion that Pedro's one of the biggest factors if they win 10iar?

If Gerrard himself hadn't brought in Grezda, Barisic, Sadiq, Coulibaly and Ejaria maybe he could have got the players who'd have helped us win the league.


Guess what? He didn't.
Like Pedro before him, Warburton prior to that, football managers walk into jobs with a mess needing cleared up and players they don't want.
They also make signings who don't work out.

You're of the opinion we are 'set back a season or two' so therefore giving Gerrard a free pass, on what date does it actually become our current managers responsibility?
 
ChiefWahoo said:
What does that have to do with your mental suggestion that Pedro's one of the biggest factors if they win 10iar?

If Gerrard himself hadn't brought in Grezda, Barisic, Sadiq, Coulibaly and Ejaria maybe he could have got the players who'd have helped us win the league.


Guess what? He didn't.
Like Pedro before him, Warburton prior to that, football managers walk into jobs with a mess needing cleared up and players they don't want.
They also make signings who don't work out.

You're of the opinion we are 'set back a season or two' so therefore giving Gerrard a free pass, on what date does it actually become our current managers responsibility?
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Pedro was a complete fraud of a manager on every level-scouting and tactically-he was so far out of his depth it was incredible.

After returning to the top we had the start of genuine income and potential to start the process of a genuine challenge-the appointment of a manager after Warburton was crucial-Pedro was a farcical appointment at a crucial time.

If you don't get the fact that set us back massively then fine. Of course managers get signings wrong but over the whole piece they show what they can and cannot do-SG's record in the transfer market isn't great imo but then again he's under a different structure than Pedro but he has shown some very strong attributes in the role. What did Pedro show? Of course he set us back massively and will be a key factor if they do 10IAR because at that stage with a more solid progression we would have been closer quicker.
 
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The failings of the last seven or eight years lay in the decision of successive boards to appoint untried and inexperienced managers.

It is a major irony that at the most important juncture in Rangers' history, when the rebuilding job has never been bigger, that we have turned to, time and time again, managers with little to no managerial experience.

If the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results then it's absolutely applicable to a Rangers board whose record in this area is decidedly dodgy.
 
DylanGer said:
Pedro was a complete fraud of a manager on every level-scouting and tactically-he was so far out of his depth it was incredible.

After returning to the top we had the start of genuine income and potential to start the process of a genuine challenge-the appointment of a manager after Warburton was crucial-Pedro was a farcical appointment at a crucial time.

If you don't get the fact that set us back massively then fine. Of course managers get signings wrong but over the whole piece they show what they can and cannot do-SG's record in the transfer market isn't great imo but then again he's under a different structure than Pedro but he has shown some very strong attributes in the role. What did Pedro show? Of course he set us back massively and will be a key factor if they do 10IAR because at that stage with a more solid progression we would have been closer quicker.
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I've said it enough on this thread.
He signed Jack, Morelos and Candeias.
If you want to keep banging on about his duds, you must acknowledge he signed these 3.
Absolutely nobody is saying he did a good job so there's no need to point out his failings.
You just seem overly keen to blame him for more than his fair share when I've pointed out to you the rather obvious list of things that will feature much higher on the list of things to blame if they win 10 than Pedro Caixinha.

Gerrard has done a good job in his first season and deserves plenty of credit for doing so. He'd be the first to admit his own failings though and not seek to blame others.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
I've said it enough on this thread.
He signed Jack, Morelos and Candeias.
If you want to keep banging on about his duds, you must acknowledge he signed these 3.
Absolutely nobody is saying he did a good job so there's no need to point out his failings.
You just seem overly keen to blame him for more than his fair share when I've pointed out to you the rather obvious list of things that will feature much higher on the list of things to blame if they win 10 than Pedro Caixinha.

Gerrard has done a good job in his first season and deserves plenty of credit for doing so. He'd be the first to admit his own failings though and not seek to blame others.
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Morelos was scouted by JJ and the other two you mentioned divide the fan base on whether they are good enough. In fact I’d say the vast majority now agree Candeias isn’t.

We can’t start bringing up such unbelievably fragile examples to start defending that imposter.

The poster is quite right, his reign of terror set us back dramatically and he will be partly culpable if the Yahoos win 10.
 
RFC97 said:
Morelos was scouted by JJ and the other two you mentioned divide the fan base on whether they are good enough. In fact I’d say the vast majority now agree Candeias isn’t.

We can’t start bringing up such unbelievably fragile examples to start defending that imposter.

The poster is quite right, his reign of terror set us back dramatically and he will be partly culpable if the Yahoos win 10.
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We have scouts who scout every player, that's how football works.
Other players or coaches may make recommendations but ultimately the manager decides. I'm genuinely astounded that I have to explain this.

I can't believe how many people actually think Johansson signed Morelos.
If he's getting the credit for Alfie, does he get the blame for Pena or Herrera?

I'm not asking the fan base who'sgood enough or who isn't, I'll go by the fact that Steven Gerrard played Jack and Candeias in the vast majority of games.

You want to ask the fans?
We wouldn't have resigned McGregor, Tav would have been hunted 2 years ago and Morelos would be playing in China, Davis is too old and Goldsons not worth the risk medically.

Finally, you'll have to point out where I'm defending Caixinha.
I have been quite clear all along that he was an absolute disaster as a football manager.
What I am doing is showing that there are people, yourself included, so blinkered that they can't even acknowledge the guy signed a few decent players.
 
ChiefWahoo said:
We have scouts who scout every player, that's how football works.
Other players or coaches may make recommendations but ultimately the manager decides. I'm genuinely astounded that I have to explain this.

I think this is obvious. With Morelos it’s clear all the ground work was done by JJ and Caixanha simply gave it the green light. He’s not getting this one.

I can't believe how many people actually think Johansson signed Morelos.
If he's getting the credit for Alfie, does he get the blame for Pena or Herrera?

Pena and Herrera both clearly came from Caixanha through prior links between players and manager. So no, JJ doesn’t they the blame.

I'm not asking the fan base who'sgood enough or who isn't, I'll go by the fact that Steven Gerrard played Jack and Candeias in the vast majority of games.

Gerrard seems to have played Candeias more out of necessity, hence why he’s being phased out and moved on in the summer. And we can’t start using the fallacy of ‘the gaffer rates him, ergo, he’s automatically a good player’. This is the third time I’ve seen this appeal to authority today.

You want to ask the fans?
We wouldn't have resigned McGregor, Tav would have been hunted 2 years ago and Morelos would be playing in China, Davis is too old and Goldsons not worth the risk medically.

Finally, you'll have to point out where I'm defending Caixinha.
I have been quite clear all along that he was an absolute disaster as a football manager.
What I am doing is showing that there are people, yourself included, so blinkered that they can't even acknowledge the guy signed a few decent players.

As above, Jack is pretty much the only decent signing truly made by Caixanha, and even he divides the fans. So no, I’m not interested in stooping to such levels of small time that I’m going to start giving Caixanha credit for that.
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This thread has gone somewhat off topic! It’s meant to be a let’s laugh at Celtic thread! Any more news on their appointments?
 
Surely even the mentally challenged board wouldn’t have offered him the job based solely on the result of a final that they struggled badly in and had to cheat in to win.

Shows how desperate they were if that’s the case.
 
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