Man accused of Celtic abuse against two teenage boys is suffering from dementia

[Bluethruandthru]

As expected the real story here is who facilitates the cover up. Every single bit as disgusting as the perpetrators themselves. We have a justice system akin to that of a third world country and corruption reigns supreme.

 

[borderbluenose]

I may be wrong but I thought the case was against the club,so whatever this rancid old paedo can or cannot remember is irrelevant.

More convictions strengthen the case against the club non convictions don't hence the demand to stop the trial

 

[Angrybluebear]

I think that is what the Scottish Courts, well Scottish Government want.

Each and everyone of those guilty of heinous crimes dead or “incapable“ of remembering.

Will the victims ever get justice or even an apology ?

 

[Coisty09]

Who/what funds his legal team? Can't be as simple as Legal Aid?

It will be legal aid. In other words taxpayers!!

 

[Giffnock bear]

I think that is what the Scottish Courts, well Scottish Government want.

Each and everyone of those guilty of heinous crimes dead or “incapable“ of remembering.

Will the victims ever get justice or even an apology ?

Is this the fourth or fifth time the trial has been delayed.

 

[warfieldranger]

At the time he selfishly didn’t care how his actions would affect those poor kids.

Now he’s being called to task he conveniently has memory issues. Pathetic excuse of a man.

 

[Govan Ger]

That's convenient eh.

A club like no other.

 

[MrStruth]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506262988940091396

Seen it coming.
The two scumbag directors that protected him are also playing the loss of memory card.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

At the time he selfishly didn’t care how his actions would affect those poor kids.

Now he’s being called to task he conveniently has memory issues. Pathetic excuse of a man.

We’re told that Dementia impacts on your short term memory, not your long term memory, so let’s see what develops ?

 

[warfieldranger]

We’re told that Dementia impacts on your short term memory, not your long term memory, so let’s see what develops ?

My father-in-law has dementia and keeps asking the same things every few minutes. The other week I asked him what his post code was and he answered correctly immediately. Let's hope you're right.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

My father-in-law has dementia and keeps asking the same things every few minutes. The other week I asked him what his post code was and he answered correctly immediately. Let's hope you're right.

We’re just tying in with a couple of people who are more knowledgable than us WR.

 

[Coisty09]

I may be wrong but I thought the case was against the club,so whatever this rancid old paedo can or cannot remember is irrelevant.

The one reported at the start of the thread is a criminal case against an accused individual who, if found guilty, will be subject to a penalty for a crime, more than likely imprisonment.

The class action is a civil case against the football club claiming financial compensation for alleged victims of CSA, allegedly committed by a number of people connected to the football club.
A civil court will decide if the club was responsible for the actions of these connected people. The burden of ‘proof’ in civil actions is lower than in a criminal
Court.
If Celtic are found to have been negligent and are deemed responsible for what happened, then financial awards for damages will be paid to the alleged victims.
It is also likely that the football club would have to publicly apologize for its negligence.

The two cases are completely separate and will take place in different types of court.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

The one reported at the start of the thread is a criminal case against an accused individual who, if found guilty, will be subject to a penalty for a crime, more than likely imprisonment.

The class action is a civil case against the football club claiming financial compensation for alleged victims of CSA, allegedly committed by a number of people connected to the football club.
A civil court will decide if the club was responsible for the actions of these connected people. The burden of ‘proof’ in civil actions is lower than in a criminal
Court.
If Celtic are found to have been negligent and are deemed responsible for what happened, then financial awards for damages will be paid to the alleged victims.
It is also likely that the football club would have to publicly apologize for its negligence.

The two cases are completely separate and will take place in different types of court.

Spot on Coisty.

For any non regulars, there is the outstanding civil case referred to by Coisty above and FOUR criminal cases against P1, P2, Divers & McAulay, all ongoing.

 

[Bluethruandthru]

At the time he selfishly didn’t care how his actions would affect those poor kids.

Now he’s being called to task he conveniently has memory issues. Pathetic excuse of a man.

That's no man, it's a monster. His actions matched only by those who exist to protect him and his ilk from justice.

 

[Murray the Bear]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506262988940091396

I did some digging, and it looks like "Sheriff Tony Kelly" is the brother of Labour MSP - and self-proclaimed scum fan - James Anthony Kelly.

Brothers called Tony ?

 

[Alexmci]

The amount of delays on this case alone has been ridiculous. The Scottish justice system is a farce.

To think it used to be the envy of the legal world too.

 

[Fernando1872]

If this despicable bastard has dementia as he claims, how can he tender a plea of not guilty, if he can't remember.

 

[Lomoon17]

Because he doesn't remember is not a defence that he's not guilty

 

[Div1872]

Absolute joke of a justice system

Happy to protect paedos

SNP Govt and PF and courts are a disgrace

 

[Peedzy]

playing for time hopeing the reper takes him down before the judge sends him down

Me too, I hope there's Reaper Cushions.

 

[Puggy]

We knew this was coming. Absolutely sickening.

 

[QueensferryCR3Bear]

If he is he should be reminded of his crimes daily then. Paedo scumbag.

 

[Snakehips]

Surely if he has dementia then that weakens his case? How he can he clearly remember that he did not commit those crimes all those years ago if he has an illness that affects his memory? Therefore can someone who has dementia be trusted to tell the truth on the stand?

McGinn, Kelly and now Cairney all using the ill health / memory issues nonsense, straight from the SNP playbook. That seems to be the get out these days if you have done something bad or illegal.

Whatever happens, I hope he spends the rest of his days in agonising pain.

 

[Langsider]

Maybe if justice had been pursued correctly at the time he wouldn't have had 4 decades to develope dementia.

 

[King Richard]

I'm sure Sherriff Tony Kelly will be unbiased

If...and it's a big if he has dementia then I hope he spends the rest of his days suffering

I've always said it's a disease you wouldn't wish on anyone but cunts like this deserve everything that's coming to them

 

[GioBAWA]

Absolute farce and straight out a movie gangster script.

Only in Scotland home of the snp nutcases!

 

[Murray the Bear]

If your out of your head on drink or drugs when you commit a crime, not being able to remember it is no defence. The only difference is dementia is an illness. Surely the case will weigh towards the prosecution and their evidence, if he cant defend himself then thats tough shit.

 

[monkey magic]

Any trick in the book from these cornered rat scumbags to evade justice. Dementia is a horrible disease and those genuinely suffering have my every sympathy and empathy. A Celt fan Judge or Sheriff should be nowhere near this case either. In fact, didn't a Judge demand that Rangers fans could not to be allowed on a case involving us. ?

 

[DennisReynolds]

How incredibly convenient for him

 

[Fernando1872]

Because he doesn't remember is not a defence that he's not guilty

That is my point mate

 

[WDYGH]

Well cannyrememberitis worked for the First Minister, so they probably reckon that sets a legal precedent.

She is a fucking scumbag, completely unfit for public office.

 

[Bear all]

The amount of delays on this case alone has been ridiculous. The Scottish justice system is a farce.

You would think they are waiting on someone popping their clogs.

 

[TerryMunro]

The sick minded bastards targeted football clubs because they knew due to the inactions of that bastardised team that they would have protection from authorities. Today they are awarded the same protection, all to protect that same bastardised football team.

 

[Bouncy]

i'd be requesting a timeline of his medical history regarding treatment and medication usage over a period of time that didn't get concocted by his defence team in the last week.

 

[Coallie]

More convictions strengthen the case against the club non convictions don't hence the demand to stop the trial

The victims should try & get the trial moved as they will not get a fair trial here as by the looks of it most of Scotland's judges are from a Catholic back ground with leanings towards the Filth .

 

[Martin]

This celtic fc parasite having dementia has nothing to do with whether he committed the crimes he is accused of or not. Get him tried and jailed and he can rot the last of his days away in a cell.

 

[BlueHaze]

The perpetrator of these crimes might have dementia but it doesn’t mean the club are less guilty of allowing him access to their bhoys club,They had a responsibility of care for these youngsters and they failed miserably.

 

[longtimedead]

He didn’t have dementia when he was ruining the lives of the young in his care.

Should have no bearing on the facts. Current recollection, worth nothing given his past.

The old bastard should never be let out of prison, ever.

 

[Ferrybear73]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506262988940091396

I smell shite

 

[148bear]

Love too have got a hold of him in my younger days in a peter only 1 would be coming out.

 

[Taffyblue]

How very convenient - and utterly predictable.

Through personal experience, I can confirm that dementia affects short term memory so he should be able to recollect these historic crimes - though the likelihood is it’ll cut no ice in what looks like a corrupt judiciary system.

 

[148bear]

How very convenient - and utterly predictable.

Through personal experience, I can confirm that dementia affects short term memory so he should be able to recollect these historic crimes - though the likelihood is it’ll cut no ice in what looks like a corrupt judiciary system.

getting out thread getting to angry mate

 

[bad boy boogie]

I’m lost for words. We’ve spoke to some of these victims personally. It’s heartbreaking but the fight for justice has to continue.

Dementias no defence,should be up to mc parland to defend him when the trial starts....auld bastard better not die or walk

 

[Sweet_Home_Alabama]

Ah! The old Ernest Saunders defence. And, no doubt, a remarkable recovery after case dropped.

 

[hunter1rfc]

A few people called this happening when the trials kept getting push back

Scum bastard

 

[Bigeye]

Tormented now Demented

KARMA

 

[RaoulDuke11]

The same selective dementia Kevin Kelly claims to have

I had no idea it was contagious

This was the plan all along and the Scottish justice system, Scottish FA, and Scottish media are all to blame for allowing the years to pass and facilitate this further cover-up.

 

[Grigo Yossarian]

The perpetrator of these crimes might have dementia but it doesn’t mean the club are less guilty of allowing him access to their bhoys club,They had a responsibility of care for these youngsters and they failed miserably.

Agree, but two separate issues BH.

This relates to his potential criminal conviction mate.

The civil case won’t be affected.

 

[bigmalc]

I used to have business dealings with Cairney years ago. A horrible bastard of a man who made my skin creep. Always keen to boast of his involvement with the boys club.

 

[WW55 on the PRW]

Fake news, string the fucker up!