Morton Goal
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Utterly shite manager.
BingoYou could really say the same about Southgate.
Correct on all fronts.Mental he was in charge of them. Guy is a lower level EPL manager, he shouldn’t be in charge of Belgium
He's Belgium's most successful manager with the team number 1 in the rankings for 3 years.
Last 2 major tournaments before Qatar they were beaten by the tournament winners both times.
Last World Cup they finished best ever position in 3rd place.
If thats not enough look at his qualifying record; 2018 WC qualifying he dropped 2 points, 2020 Euros qualifying he dropped zero points, 2022 WC 4 points was dropped with 2 drawn matches..so in 3 qualifications he didn't lose one game!
Martinez may not be FFs favourite manager but he's hardly the diddy that some make him out to be!
I think this idea of Belgium having a golden generation is a bit over-stated.
England also had a golden generation and won nothing but Belgium is nowhere near the level of Europe's big five never mind the South Americans.
Belgium have done well for a country its size.
That’ll be why most people on the thread are criticising Martinez.I really don’t get the jizzfest over Belgium. Yes, some great individual players but have achieved fcuk all as a team…
My opinion is that these “golden generations” are never about every player being ‘world class’, but rather, the squad has top players in most of the positions.I think this idea of Belgium having a golden generation is a bit over-stated.
England also had a golden generation and won nothing but Belgium is nowhere near the level of Europe's big five never mind the South Americans.
Belgium have done well for a country its size.
He has had what most would consider their most gifted squad, ever, by a long, long, long distance of course he is their most successful manager. He was employed by them to be that and more
At the core of the squad has been a small group of players who have been seen as some of the better options in their positions in Courtios, De Bruyne, Hazard and Lukaka, he has had this at a time when other more favored nations have went through slightly fallow periods by their usual standards.
A decent example of that is one of the last tournament winners who knocked them out, Italy, a nation currently so strong they didn't even qualify for this World Cup. The Italy side who won the Euros is far removed from being a great side.
Points totals in groups to qualify?
In 2018 the next best sides in their group were Greece and Bosnia, in 2022 it was Wales.
When they qualified for Euro 2020 the only close to competent side they faced was Russia, the rest of their group was made up of Scotland, Cyprus, Kazakhstan and San Marino.
Of course they amassed a lot of points against these sides, a want to praise him for taking that side to massive points totals against these teams isn't overly removed from McCoist wanting praise for his work in the lower divisions at Rangers - he took the best side by a massive distance, to the highest points totals, well done.
Martinez was employed to take that side over the top, to do something special, amazing, and they have never under him looked close to it, they have generally just fizzled out stumbled about and never looked like a side you would genuinely think were winning a tournament.
He has failed with that group of players when considering what International football looks like
Don’t know why they brought him in to begin withThey would have won stuff with a proper manager, don't understand why they kept him so long
I only really read two bits, firstly that you think he's Belgium's most successful manager and secondly that he has failed? I presume the stuff in the middle I skimmed over was blah blah blah pish?
Why do you find that statement so odd?
Surely given your location you would be more like to say baaa baaa pish?
Italy who won the tournament won 10/10 in qualifying and 3/3 in the group stages with a goal difference of 44 scored 4 conceded. They then went on to put Belgium, Spain and England out en route to winning the trophy. Italy were the best team in Europe in 2020, Belgium were beaten by the best team? No?
Regarding qualifying, you do know its seeded yeah? You do know what seeded means? You understand that Belgium's qualifying record is collectively better than any other Euro nation over the last three tournaments?
Yet once your lucky enough to get a place on the managerial roundabout, you will never be out of a job for long.Mental he was in charge of them. Guy is a lower level EPL manager, he shouldn’t be in charge of Belgium