Both colossal and instrumental in laying the foundations for two great clubs, pioneers of great Scottish managers. Hard to call so I'll sit on the fence (Bottler).
Probably the best way to judge it.It is simple.
Busby, one of them.
Shanks, one of us.
So Shanks, no fcuking contest.
Probably the best way to judge it.
Arguably the Munich air crash robbed him of being the first British manager to win the European cup with the Busby babes . He built that team from being a second division side.How did busby lay foundations?
He won the league in 67 but utd didnt win it again until 93.
During that time they got relegated, had some shit managers and shit teams and apart from the odd cup win did nothing of note.
It is simple.
Busby, one of them.
Shanks, one of us.
So Shanks. No fcuking contest.
One other interesting observation of both men is their attitude to religion in football.Hard to choose Busby and Shankly took both teams that were 2nd best in their cities to number 1.Busby also also rebuilt the stadium as well as team,who posters mentioned looked certain to progress to European final before fatal night.Shankly was tracksuit manager getting 100% out of players who didn't make it at other clubs and turned the city into red.Shankly incidentally wanted to manage Rangers a old friend of his years ago I worked with.Shanks for me as I feel he had that unbeatable spirit and hated losing..
Shankly was one of us,Busby was one of them.So easy answer,Bill Shankly.2 Scottish managers who are worshipped in Liverpool and Manchester and who are probably most influential in their teams becoming the biggest in England.
Which one would you say was the greater manager?
Your ignorance is astounding.How did busby lay foundations?
He won the league in 67 but utd didnt win it again until 93.
During that time they got relegated, had some shit managers and shit teams and apart from the odd cup win did nothing of note.
Aye, but when it came to Paisley and Clough...one of us or one of them?I would say you have two great managers in a time when managers ran the club. Busby could have had a dynasty but for Munich and Shankly did leave a legacy... But neither matched Paisley or Clough.. to throw spanner in
I agree, think Paisley surpassed everything that Shankly did but he was a much more modest character50/50. Busby won the bigger trophies when he was manager but Shankly laid the foundations for a Liverpool dynasty.
Imo Paisley (although not Scottish) is every bit as good as Busby, Fergie and Shankly. He did the tactics for Shankly and then led Liverpool to unparalleled success when he took over as manager. He is still the only British manager to win 3 European Cups, and he did it over a 5 year period.
I agree, think Paisley surpassed everything that Shankly did but he was a much more modest character
So, the Busby Babes aren't legends? Losing your best players and re building doesn't make a legend? Nearly die in a plane crash? Busby had those balls. Shankly was never asked those questions. Shankly never won the league. Shankly was the first PR style manager in England. And was in the Celtic dressing room in 1967 in Lisbon. Have a word with yourself.I have to day that both are worthy of respect for what they achieved, but Shankly for me was the better of the two.
Not only for his personal achievements but what others built on after he left, Busby didn't really leave Man U like that.
Also, Shankly stories are football legend (inviting journos to walk round Ron Yeats, football is not life & death etc) but I can't think of many Busby ones.
Although I am aware Busby was a Shettleston Harrier, Where is the evidence about him trying to embed RC into the DNA of Manchester United. Majority of poor souls killed in Munich were not catholics. Duncan Edwards arguably the greatest player of his time definately Church of England (I've seen his grave) Holy trinity of Law, Charlton and Best all prods.One other interesting observation of both men is their attitude to religion in football.
Busby was a Roman Catholic who made strides in his time to embed Roman Catholicism into the DNA of the Old Trafford club which in the period concerned was a ridiculous backward notion as the sixties saw the advancement of a more egalitarian approach to civil life.
In direct contrast, the Presbyterian Shankly took the opposite view to football and his club, where he totally eschewed tribalistic values with a modern world view that football was too important to allow petty human divisive inclinations to interfere and where the only religion in Anfield was Liverpool FC.
Oh, it was a fact and signing Prods to play on the park was just a matter of expediency.Although I am aware Busby was a Shettleston Harrier, Where is the evidence about him trying to embed RC into the DNA of Manchester United. Majority of poor souls killed in Munich were not catholics. Duncan Edwards arguably the greatest player of his time definately Church of England (I've seen his grave) Holy trinity of Law, Charlton and Best all prods.
There would have been no Paisley without Shanks and his legacy.I agree, think Paisley surpassed everything that Shankly did but he was a much more modest character
There was a documemtary about ManU in the 80's - a descedent of Busby proudly proclaimed, "It's a Catholic club, we all know that."Although I am aware Busby was a Shettleston Harrier, Where is the evidence about him trying to embed RC into the DNA of Manchester United. Majority of poor souls killed in Munich were not catholics. Duncan Edwards arguably the greatest player of his time definately Church of England (I've seen his grave) Holy trinity of Law, Charlton and Best all prods.
This is the obvious answer.It is simple.
Busby, one of them.
Shanks, one of us.
So Shanks. No fcuking contest.
I would say you have two great managers in a time when managers ran the club. Busby could have had a dynasty but for Munich and Shankly did leave a legacy... But neither matched Paisley or Clough.. to throw spanner in
Oh, it was a fact and signing Prods to play on the park was just a matter of expediency.
There is a lot of evidence to support this,
I have read a fair bit over the years about Sir Matt and many testimonies to his adherence to his faith and its promotion in places of influence around Old Trafford.
However, I am not inclined to go back over all of the books I have read just to free you of your scepticism.
No one said you had to believe me.
Shankley2 Scottish managers who are worshipped in Liverpool and Manchester and who are probably most influential in their teams becoming the biggest in England.
Which one would you say was the greater manager?
I agree, and is also unfair to compare the two. I can only speak from looking at their careers through youtube etc, but both incredible figures in the game.Both colossal and instrumental in laying the foundations for two great clubs, pioneers of great Scottish managers. Hard to call so I'll sit on the fence (Bottler).
Just a little side note that may interest all.
When Bill Shankly was manager at Anfield.
Brother Bob was manager at Anfield (Stirling Albion.)
Quite a coincidence eh!