Row your fecking outrage back a bit pal, I said Shankly stories are legend then gave examples that i remember and that struck me as funny, I haven't got many Busby stories of the same ilk to fall back on.
Liverpool won the league title three times under Shankly.
When Busby was manager of Man Utd it used to be said that if you wanted a priest go to Old Trafford. There was certainly a RC influence at the club under Busby and Louis Edwards in that era
My sincere apologies. Bad post. I did mean the EC as was. Bottom line is that it's tremendous that so many Scots have managed title winning sides in England.
I apologised to an earlier reply. I did mean to say that Shankly hadn't won the EC as was. But you would have to tip your hat to Busby Shankly Dalglish and SAF for managing title winning sides. I doubt we will see that again.
You can add 1952 to Busby's list. His Utd side were also runners up in 1947,48,49 and 51.
I was never doubting the truth of your input. I've always known Busby was a rhabid tim. My Dad wanted Benfica to win in '68 and explained why to me as an 11yr old. I was merely saying he signed the best players (pardon the pun) irrespective of their religion.
Struth was from a different era when the manager role was completely different, and the reason for picking Clough and Paisley was based on European success but I wouldn't argue with anybody who thinks struth is the man
If you're going on European success then Alex Ferguson must be in there. Add in his domestic success in both Scotland and England then he has to be the greatest British manager in modern day football history. There is an argument to be made for Struth but two vastly different eras in the game.
Bob Paisley still edges it with three EC/Champion trophies
As great as Paisley was Ferguson won 2 CL, 2 ECWC, 2 European Super cups, 1 FIFA Club World Cup as well as domestic success which surpasses anyone else in Britain in the modern era.
I would agree but with a tad bias having Sir Matt Busby's autograph circa Ron Atkinson's tenure.
Clough is the best for me. Of interest, you would have Paisley ahead of Shankly?
I would based on European success but that's just a personal opinion
I think that the greatest achievement of Alex Ferguson was the length of time that he survived in the cutthroat world of the premier League
It's an interesting one, because their initial success looks to have been a product of Shankly's endeavour; something Paisley was very much a part of. I'm sure I've read that Shankly regretted resigning, or that some people suspected he regretted it.
I watched a documentary a while back and that was very much the case. Shankly kept turning up at training until eventually someone on the board had to ask him to stop as he was getting in the way. Paisley did the same thing after he retired and became an adviser. He had to be banned from going to the dugout on match days
I watched that, I'm sure; I remember the Shankly story, where at training tge players were calling him "Boss" ,I didn't know that about Paisley, though.
You can add Reuben Bennett to that list.
He did, in a Protestant country you really have to sign Protestant players.
Wilf McGuiness and Frank O'Farrell spring immediately to mind. Tommy Docherty was more successful but fell foul of Busby's strict moral code.
Another one that many aren't aware of is that Sir Matt played with Liverpool.Just a little side note that may interest all.
When Bill Shankly was manager at Anfield.
Brother Bob was manager at Anfield (Stirling Albion.)
Quite a coincidence eh!
Clough was indeed a great manager although it shouldn’t be forgotten the role Peter Taylor played in the partnership. He was hugely influential in identifying players and he was Mr Calm when Clough was going off on one.
Perhaps that's because Clough was gracious enough to give Taylor recognition. There an implication from your point of view that those others did it on their own; and that might not be the case.
Shankly's playing career was spoiled by the war, but I note that amongst the various teams he played for whilst serving in the RAF was one appearance for Liverpool at Anfield where Everton were beaten 4-1.
Shankly took it very bad that he was seen as yesterdays man at Anfield. He never really felt welcome when he visited a training session at Melwood, The players still called him boss which was embarrassing for Paisley.
If you remember the same thing happened at Rangers. John Greig was training with the team and the players kept calling him boss. Souness stopped the training and said "I'm the boss he's a legend" hence Greig getting the nickname leg
