McCoist On The New Hate Crime Act

Bluefin221 said:
I think you're overestimating the importance of public consultation to the Scottish Government. There was significant public opposition to this bill (and the GRR before it) so the SG was not unaware of how unpopular it was. What happens is you have charities and groups, wholly reliant on SG funding, which then act as taxpayer funded lobbyists for the bills in question.

Both these bills, and others, were always going to pass regardless of the view of the general public. The only thing to do is to vote them out.
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Not that you can prove it and not that they would own up to it.

I wouldn't allow any Rangers fan who votes for this mob into Ibrox.

Charity begins at home.
 
Bluefin221 said:
I think you're overestimating the importance of public consultation to the Scottish Government. There was significant public opposition to this bill (and the GRR before it) so the SG was not unaware of how unpopular it was. What happens is you have charities and groups, wholly reliant on SG funding, which then act as taxpayer funded lobbyists for the bills in question.

Both these bills, and others, were always going to pass regardless of the view of the general public. The only thing to do is to vote them out.
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Its all about opinions but, if as a group, all members of the PUL community & Rangers supporters took part in the consultation and made it known they have opposed it and even joined the groups that have always been against it then, it would have been more widely know of the opposition to this bill. Lets be honest, there are so many even on here that are more than happy to lets others do the email writing and complain to MSP's/MP's or write to newspapers or various organisations to make a complaint regarding something that involves us.

I do agree with you with regarding voting , even vote tactically as, if it means that its one less SNP MP/MSP but, this all comes down to what i originally hinted at ..Apathy! There are so many people that dont even bother to vote, not even take part in a postal vote and then will still moan that they have the SNP lunatics in charge.

Even on this thread further back there was posters saying they wont vote Labour even if it meant it would get rid of the SNP and that's because , they just couldn't vote Labour! I just do not understand that , if its for the greater good and to get rid of the SNP then Id do it!
 
JayDee said:
A lot of fans were breaking the law before anyway. I think what Ally said was unfortunate as it will only be Gers fans at the game.
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I agree as well versed in the ways of the media that he is, I think he was a bit naive here, especially calling himself out, he's just given them free reign to jump on his comments. He could have said what he said but a bit more carefully.
 
captcaveman said:
Its all about opinions but, if as a group, all members of the PUL community & Rangers supporters took part in the consultation and made it known they have opposed it and even joined the groups that have always been against it then, it would have been more widely know of the opposition to this bill. Lets be honest, there are so many even on here that are more than happy to lets others do the email writing and complain to MSP's/MP's or write to newspapers or various organisations to make a complaint regarding something that involves us.

I do agree with you with regarding voting , even vote tactically as, if it means that its one less SNP MP/MSP but, this all comes down to what i originally hinted at ..Apathy! There are so many people that dont even bother to vote, not even take part in a postal vote and then will still moan that they have the SNP lunatics in charge.

Even on this thread further back there was posters saying they wont vote Labour even if it meant it would get rid of the SNP and that's because , they just couldn't vote Labour! I just do not understand that , if its for the greater good and to get rid of the SNP then Id do it!
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I've done my bit in alerting punters to what is going on. That's going back 30 odd years.

I've wrote letters to newspapers that never get printed.

I've voted tactically and voted Labour, which left me mentally soiled. It didn't help.

It needs every Prod to vote Tory (not that I have any love for these cowards) or it stays as it is.

The yahoo bloc vote will bob with the currents between the natsis and Labour, whichever they think suits their needs at the time.
 
Ally is spot on.
The polis are going to be inundated with complaints this weekend as we all know who are going to be watching and listening for every little song that is heard over the tele.
But nothing to be seen, sweep sweep, when they are at piggery
 
Canada Bear said:
McCoist is talking nonsense, the law you have just in acted is the same as in England & Wales also other nations. I see it was passed by all parties except conservatives although one did vote for.
For McCoist to say that we will all be breaking the law is just plain stupid and not true.
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If you’re suggesting England, Wales and other nations have a law where all complaints will be investigated, wether there is any evidence or not then I’m going to politely suggest you’re either misinformed or a liar.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
Not like you.

He's basically said, anyone singing naughty words aimed at the filth at the weekend, will be guilty of a hate crime under this bonkers new act.

Tell me the last time you've heard anyone at Ibrox singing about transgenderism or being intersex?
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Yeah it's clearly the "religion" bit he's talking about, which makes it even more baffling that he'd make his point in that way. It's played right into their hands, as shown by the fact it's headine news for the 2nd day now. He's been really silly here, whether he was joking or not.
 
Canada Bear said:
So you believe that all these political parties with one exception are out to get Rangers fans!

The differences in the laws are minute as far as I can make out. Can you tell me the differnces?

Just had a wee look online at the groups protesting yesterday. The Family Party, Wings over Scotland and a group led by a Holocaust denier. Anyway it makes no change to my life when I’m here, I’ve no intention of deliberately spreading hate to anyone.
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Your comment proves you know nothing of the law “deliberately spreading hate”.
It does not need to be deliberate, that is the main issue.
 
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JC85 said:
Yeah it's clearly the "religion" bit he's talking about, which makes it even more baffling that he'd make his point in that way. It's played right into their hands, as shown by the fact it's headine news for the 2nd day now. He's been really silly here, whether he was joking or not.
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So basically, anyone calling out this farce is going to be harangued by filth?
 
JC85 said:
I think there's a way to call it out and the way he's done it is clumsy and left himself (and us) wide open to criticism.
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And you think the filth were ever going to be the voice of reason here?

When it comes to the media, I've never been McCoist's biggest fan to say the least.

But I'm backing him on this one.

It's worth repeating, this Act, will be aimed primarily at us. If it is acted upon impartially and neutrally, it will, like the OBAF nonsense, be repealed.
 
SDF said:
This country has lost it's collective mind in the past two days.

The reaction to this story has been nothing short of embarrassing posturing by people who don't need a second invitation to pretend they're offended.
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SNP MSPs demanding to know what someone is thinking of doing. Sums them up.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
And you think the filth were ever going to be the voice of reason here?

When it comes to the media, I've never been McCoist's biggest fan to say the least.

But I'm backing him on this one.

It's worth repeating, this Act, will be aimed primarily at us. If it is acted upon impartially and neutrally, it will, like the OBAF nonsense, be repealed.
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I back his overall point about the Act. And I feel sorry for him as it was a joke. But it definitely needed a better choice of words. Even just "there'll be thousands of people all over Scotland breaching it on Sunday" would've done. We all know what the filth are like, we all knew they were going to jump all over it.
 
Jim Prideaux said:
Genuinely can’t believe the nonsense from this.

Can’t even joke about a rivalry now. Feel for Ally here, I really do.
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I lost count yesterday on the amount of Celtic fans, SNP MP's, activists and nationalists who were quite comfortable and willing to put words in McCoist's words that he didn't actually say in order to tell us what a horrendous bigot he was.

It's insanity over this law right now.
 
This hate bill is an utter pile of shite and can easily be picked apart by somebody with a modicum of good sense.
Unfortunately McCoist is not that person and he has just taken a shotgun and blasted himself in the foot.
Sometimes these celebs need to learn that they don't have to go into attention-seeking mode every time somebody sticks a microphone in front of their gobs and says "go!"
 
PhilippeTheFair said:
You know if he was sat among us, around us and the amount of fans filming everything, the potential for a slip up, no matter how sober in the heat of the moment, all would be lost for him.

His forewarning is even more to the forefront of the mind now.
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He's absolutely bang on highlighting this tosh.

He didn't need to back down.

I'm sure he would have been able to get a seat in the members, or directors box.

And the notion of McCoist giving it the bangers and mash at an OF game is ludicrous.
 
wee bud's pit boots said:
He's absolutely bang on highlighting this tosh.

He didn't need to back down.

I'm sure he would have been able to get a seat in the members, or directors box.

And the notion of McCoist giving it the bangers and mash at an OF game is ludicrous.
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Been forced into non attendance/silence, that's mafia Omerta tactics. The name Roma appearing within Omerta also .

He would know not to sing certain songs and wouldn't, it's a reaction to events on the park that will catch folk it. Responding with words and reactions, not lyrics so much for Ally.

There's the 1st lamb silenced, as I alluded to earlier in the thread.
 
JC85 said:
I back his overall point about the Act. And I feel sorry for him as it was a joke. But it definitely needed a better choice of words. Even just "there'll be thousands of people all over Scotland breaching it on Sunday" would've done. We all know what the filth are like, we all knew they were going to jump all over it.
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That's a fair point.

As for the filth?

How ironic, and how soon they forget; they have conveniently forgot McCoist was happy to help carry the coffin of one of their own chief rabids, back in May 2008.

Which always backs up my own argument. If you appease people who hate you. You alienate those who love you.

There is no appeasing this lot. They will change their diktat, hour by hour, nevermind day by day.
 
JC85 said:
I back his overall point about the Act. And I feel sorry for him as it was a joke. But it definitely needed a better choice of words. Even just "there'll be thousands of people all over Scotland breaching it on Sunday" would've done. We all know what the filth are like, we all knew they were going to jump all over it.
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He should just have called it out and been so much more blunt. He could have addressed what will happen once the game starts & that EVERY Scum fan watching will be reporting the Rangers support for everything and anything they take offence at , even if it fits the remit of this legislation or not. Shouldn't Police Scotland be doing their actual jobs and investigating criminal matters such as robberies, assaults, murders etc?

I do think he was correct in calling out this insane Act, he just could have been more to the point about it.
 
captcaveman said:
He should just have called it out and been so much more blunt. He could have addressed what will happen once the game starts & that EVERY Scum fan watching will be reporting the Rangers support for everything and anything they take offence at , even if it fits the remit of this legislation or not. Shouldn't Police Scotland be doing their actual jobs and investigating criminal matters such as robberies, assaults, murders etc?

I do think he was correct in calling out this insane Act, he just could have been more to the point about it.
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That would have meant calling out the filth though, and McCoist won't go that far.

However, I'll back him up on what he said on this issue thus far.
 
This new hate crime act is murder. I'm already on my third spare username as my two previous ones got banned for fairly innocuous comments. hunks.
 
If an ex-Celtic player had made the comments McCoist did, they’d have been lauded for speaking common sense in relation to a law Police Scotland themselves have said they aren’t able to police and is bad policy.

But because Ally is Rangers, it’s a different story.
 
So it’s now written in stone that Ally McCoist was coming to the game to behave offensively, and has now decided against attending because of the backlash.

Any sense of context, nuance or humour completely ignored - and not just by swivel-eyed loons on social media, but by media and politicians.

That’s the upshot of all of this in the world we now live in.
 
In the eyes of the offended - 50k at Ibrox and 60k at the piggery will always be in breach of these “new hate crime laws” simply for being who and where they are - the songs themselves are not the issue it’s who is singing them and the perception of the songs being against their Catholic/Protestant culture - this is the real hatred that is being weaponised by being offended by your rivals religious views and beliefs
 
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Ron Swanson said:
So it’s now written in stone that Ally McCoist was coming to the game to behave offensively, and has now decided against attending because of the backlash.

Any sense of context, nuance or humour completely ignored - and not just by swivel-eyed loons on social media, but by media and politicians.

That’s the upshot of all of this in the world we now live in.
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He fucked it for himself, it was a ridiculous comment from him and far better ways to word it. Reckon it wasn't so much by choice but was probably told not to attend tbh.

He can't really speak on behalf of fans intentions but when he said himself he would break the ridiculous law it set him up for failure.

If he came then heat would be on him regardless of what he done or said, then on Rangers/Sky would be questioned why he was allowed to go despite admitting his intentions etc. Probably not something they can be bothered dealing with.

Anyways least now Ally can shout ya 19th Century Terrorist bastard to the TV. Best shut his windows incase anyone hears and grasses him in.
 
BlueSeaOfIbrox said:
He fucked it for himself, it was a ridiculous comment from him and far better ways to word it. Reckon it wasn't so much by choice but was probably told not to attend tbh.

He can't really speak on behalf of fans intentions but when he said himself he would break the ridiculous law it set him up for failure.

If he came then heat would be on him regardless of what he done or said, then on Rangers/Sky would be questioned why he was allowed to go despite admitting his intentions etc. Probably not something they can be bothered dealing with.

Anyways least now Ally can shout ya 19th Century Terrorist bastard to the TV. Best shut his windows incase anyone hears and grasses him in.
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What a load of codswallop, and I'm being kind here.
 
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