Medical department lack of investment

sneddon38 said:
So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.
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How do you know the B team doctor was not the best man for the Job? 32 years ago, one of the best Heart Surgeons in the world left the Netherlands to work in America. His young prodigy was promoted, and he is now a world top professor of Heart Surgery. Sometimes you have the best choice in house.
 
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McCoist’sTinHat said:
We promote from within because that how junior doctors become senior doctors. Reserve team players become first team players.

This new doc, whoever he is, will have worked his arse off his whole life to reach the level he’s at and will have worked at close quarters with Dr Waller before he left. I’m sure if Waller had reservations about him, he wouldn’t have been around the club at all as he’ll have been heading up the medical dept.

It’s such a lazy misguided judgement to just say because he worked with the B team that he isn’t good enough.
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It’s not. As with everything with Ross Wilson - it was the cheap option.

The other worry is the turn over of physiotherapists - which is massive. Something not quite right.
 
The injuries, recovery time and players breaking down again I suspect is down to the (lack of fitness) regime rather than the doc misdiagnosing.
 
Vinted said:
How do you know the B team doctor was not the best man for the Job? 32 years ago, one of the best Heart Surgeons in the world left the Netherlands to work in America. His young prodigy was promoted, and he is now a world top professor of Heart Surgery. Sometimes you have the best choice in house.
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You might be right we may have to wait some time to find out.
 
sirstevefleming said:
It’s not. As with everything with Ross Wilson - it was the cheap option.

The other worry is the turn over of physiotherapists - which is massive. Something not quite right.
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I think the accounts released today show that we aren’t taking the cheap option anywhere. We’ve spent more on player and staff wages in the last year than the 149 years previously.

You have no idea how much money our medical team costs to run, again, it’s just hyperbole and guesswork. We could have the best medical team in the world, but if you’ve got an ageing squad with so many injury prone players, this is the outcome.
 
It would be good if someone looked up what the injuries we are getting actually is and why, then people can compare. For example Yilmaz is injured and if you watch back you can see it is just bad luck, but are there others that are down to poor treatment.
 
sneddon38 said:
So when Doc Mark Waller left in the summer to go to Leicester. The club have promoted the B team doctor as the club doctor. Why has the club not invested in a key department of the football club. Many injuries don’t get diagnosed correctly which results in players being out for longer. It is shameful that after Doc Waller left that we’ve not gone out and invested in our medical department.
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Maybe the B team doctor interviewed for the post after Dr Waller left and got the job on merit, we then hired a new B team doctor.

Maybe we only need one Doctor to oversee first team and B team players, we don’t know
 
Just noticed there that Callum McGregor is back for them already after suffering a serious knee injury. This shows you exactly that our medical department is light years behind there’s.
 
foxinthebox said:
Maybe the B team doctor interviewed for the post after Dr Waller left and got the job on merit, we then hired a new B team doctor.

Maybe we only need one Doctor to oversee first team and B team players, we don’t know
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Realised that the doctor who had been promoted was actually Doc Wallers deputy from last season.
 
sneddon38 said:
Just noticed there that Callum McGregor is back for them already after suffering a serious knee injury. This shows you exactly that our medical department is light years behind there’s.
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No he isn’t, he’s not trained with the team once and he says he’s hoping to take part in some bits of sessions on the grass over the next week, hardly makes him ‘back’. His predicted timeline was always after the World Cup so not sure how that makes them light years ahead.

If you’re going to be angry about something at least be angry about things that are real and stop talking pish about everything.
 
sneddon38 said:
Just noticed there that Callum McGregor is back for them already after suffering a serious knee injury. This shows you exactly that our medical department is light years behind there’s.
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He was due back around this time and expected to be playing after the world cup.
A serious knee injury is like the one Hagi got.
 
Lovenkrands26 said:
No he isn’t, he’s not trained with the team once and he says he’s hoping to take part in some bits of sessions on the grass over the next week, hardly makes him ‘back’. His predicted timeline was always after the World Cup so not sure how that makes them light years ahead.

If you’re going to be angry about something at least be angry about things that are real and stop talking pish about everything.
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I’m not angry about anything mate I can see their medical department is light years ahead of ours. We must be the unluckiest team in world football with the amount of injuries that we have or something is seriously wrong.
 
sneddon38 said:
I’m not angry about anything mate I can see their medical department is light years ahead of ours. We must be the unluckiest team in world football with the amount of injuries that we have or something is seriously wrong.
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I don’t disagree that there’s something amiss within the club just now, I’m more inclined to think it’s the lack of fitness work in pre season that’s contributing to it but who knows, mix that with a bit of bad luck and it’s got very messy.
 
Lovenkrands26 said:
I don’t disagree that there’s something amiss within the club just now, I’m more inclined to think it’s the lack of fitness work in pre season that’s contributing to it but who knows, mix that with a bit of bad luck and it’s got very messy.
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Our fitness has been shocking all season we look so far off it. I just think there’s so many players out injured the now that like I said we must be extremely unlucky.
 
LizzyDrippin said:
We've gone from Dr Hibbert to Dr Nick
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Think the proof is in the pudding. So many injuries and players initially expected back ie Lawrence then having injury time doubled to then being a long term one where he might not be back now til February.

So something is going wrong.

Unacceptable
 
SuperGers07 said:
Think the proof is in the pudding. So many injuries and players initially expected back ie Lawrence then having injury time doubled to then being a long term one where he might not be back now til February.

So something is going wrong.

Unacceptable
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It’s madness and it all can’t be bad luck. Christ the only injured player I’ve seen do light training is Roofe then he gets injured again.
 
sneddon38 said:
I’m not angry about anything mate I can see their medical department is light years ahead of ours. We must be the unluckiest team in world football with the amount of injuries that we have or something is seriously wrong.
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We don't know how many of our injuries are a result of player conditioning, training/matchday intensity or simply players being burnt out from last year's exertions.

For instance, do we still have a partnership with Zone 7 or did that go along with Gerrard's S&C team?

www.rangersreview.co.uk

How Rangers' innovative use of artificial intelligence reduced injuries by over 50 percent en-route to 55

The club's work with Zone7 has produced impressive results to increase player availability.
www.rangersreview.co.uk www.rangersreview.co.uk
 
Brasstacks said:
We don't know how many of our injuries are a result of player conditioning, training/matchday intensity or simply players being burnt out from last year's exertions.

For instance, do we still have a partnership with Zone 7 or did that go along with Gerrard's S&C team?

www.rangersreview.co.uk

How Rangers' innovative use of artificial intelligence reduced injuries by over 50 percent en-route to 55

The club's work with Zone7 has produced impressive results to increase player availability.
www.rangersreview.co.uk www.rangersreview.co.uk
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I’m not sure if we still have that relationship still. It just can’t be that we’ve been extremely unlucky,
 
Hateley's Mullet said:
I no longer think it's the medical staff or just bad luck. Our injuries must be down to overall fitness and the training we're doing (or lack of it).
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There was a survey, a few years back, done by UEFA. The conclusion was, that clubs that those who were injury-prone, because of training methods.
Others have said that training methods have changed this season and therein might lie the problem
 
I know for a fact that Ryan Jack was misdiagnosed last season. I also know that Waller was still here.

So what exactly is your point? Maybe the guy that's been promoted, who has been in the role a whole 4/5 months, is dealing with legacy issues, no?
 
Craig Flannigan was with the first team last season. I’m not saying he’s bad at his job but we’ve either been extremely unlucky or we need to invest in the medical department.
 
arnietac1 said:
I get you...but sadly this is where this Forum is at just now. There are so many posters simply looking to post a negative thread. It really is draining the life from us.
We get we are unhappy but by Christ the desire to post a negative-any negative- is simply astonishing at this time.
This thread is close to trashing the reputation of a Doctor who the OP knows nothing of his skills and ability and has admitted he has know medical training to judge. You know, a Doctor who knows how RFC works???

However he does sit behind the dug out so.........

p.s. by his thinking we should just do away with our youth system and when a first team player leaves we must buy a replacement as we cannot trust promoting a "B" player."

p.p.s. he mentions two-yes two- players in world football who were misdiagnosed as his "evidence"
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I think a lot of people are just angry at life and vent it on here on whatever subject they can vent on.
 
forlanssister said:
The conditioning of our players this season along with both the amount of and length of recovery times should be a massive cause for concern

How can they go from being one of the fittest squads in Europe to blowing out arses after 60 minutes in the space of 6 months?
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Last season the fitness work in preseason was under Milsom. This season, it was Arno Philips who is clearly pish.

Not the medical dept
 
Emilyroby said:
They promoted the youth doctor, probably because they couldn’t find anyone better.

They chucked their best physio down to the reserves, a dude that devoted 20 years to the club because Wilson/Gerrard brought in the Adam guy who then left because he felt he was being worked too hard!!!! A guy that would literally hide in the building, who sh** himself whenever he had to deal with an injury on the pitch!!!

Wilson wouldn’t know class if it slapped him in the face.
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Wow worrying indeed.
Will this change under Beale ?
A club like us should have state of the art medical facilities, doctors, fitness coaches, nutrition etc
 
sneddon38 said:
I’m not angry about anything mate I can see their medical department is light years ahead of ours. We must be the unluckiest team in world football with the amount of injuries that we have or something is seriously wrong.
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How can you say that ? Do you even know what injuries they have had ?

Off the top of my head

James Forrest has been out injured more than he has been fit the last couple of seasons

Carl Starfelt hardly had an injury in his career but been out multiple times for them.

Julienne got injured in December 2020, he was to miss the majority of the remaining season. I don’t think he played again till February 2022.

Two of their Japanese players have been out injured at least twice

A very weird thread, if @David Edgar was as concerned I’m sure he would have directly asked this at one of the Press Conferences rather than giving info on a fans forum.
 
ronadamus_prime said:
Gotta say, absolutely here for guys with zero medical qualifications, questioning the validity or professionalism of trained doctors and physios. Totally normal behaviour from a fanbase.
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There's nothing the average person on here does not know from being experts at football coaching training methods to tax and finance to lip reading we get them all.
 
SmileyBear said:
There's nothing the average person on here does not know from being experts at football coaching training methods to tax and finance to lip reading we get them all.
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It's embarrassing. It's not a real shock though. We live in a society that thinks the average punter has a right to their opinion, even if it is inherently stupid, irrational and based on zero experience or training.
 
Our injury problems are probably due to poor training methods putting lots of strain on the players knees and ankles.

Doing rondos until their knees disintegrated.
 
Great white tadpole said:
Most injuries seem to end up with us having to get a second opinion a few weeks later , it’s been pretty strange recently with the uncertainty around injuries
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If an injury or issue doesn't heal on it's own within a week or two. It's not that outlandish to be sent to see a specialist.

A club doctor is basically a GP with a specialised focus on sports related injuries. They don't have the equipment or at times the expertise to accurately diagnose an injury simply by examination or consultation with the player. Hence players get sent for scans and consultations with specialised departments.
 
You really do wonder what the story is on this it has been a huge factor this season .

Maybe AGM would do well to commit to an explanation video of these matters some time next month .
Whoever is/was responsible has much to answer for imo
 
sneddon38 said:
I’m not sure if we still have that relationship still. It just can’t be that we’ve been extremely unlucky,
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Teams can tackle far harder against us in Scotland than they can Celtic. Injuries are impacted by speed and strength of the impact. This is a factor in comparing our injuries to the scum. Not the only one but it is an issue
 
insanicdrunk said:
When did Mansbridge take over? It was someone else before, cant remember who though.
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He hasn’t taken over. Not sure when he started with us - I’m not sure he does much pitch side stuff but would imagine he would see players about knee/ankle stuff within 24 hours and either deal with it himself or send it down south if not his area of expertise

Was there a guy called mackay doing out surgeries in the past ?
 
sirstevefleming said:
He hasn’t taken over. Not sure when he started with us - I’m not sure he does much pitch side stuff but would imagine he would see players about knee/ankle stuff within 24 hours and either deal with it himself or send it down south if not his area of expertise
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Cool, the only reason I ask is MD is my surgeon and he was telling me about covering on match day for the other guy, whose name I cant remember.
 
sneddon38 said:
Our fitness has been shocking all season we look so far off it. I just think there’s so many players out injured the now that like I said we must be extremely unlucky.
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If the club shared there view on this it would help clear a lot up . I think e have lost too many athletic , quick players and the replacements seem generally to be of a different type .

But without clear info it’s diff to say as we have also had to step up to CL level and simultaneously do without the squad depth we had planned to balance the demands across .
 
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