StokeyBear
Well-Known Member
GOAT.
Were you no moaning about 'Ronaldo fan boys' on a thread yesterday? Now you've started a whole thread after Messi scores twice against Lyon calling him the goat
GOAT.
If stats are how you compare your players then the only thing Ronaldo beats Messi on is Uefa best player awards?
Messi wins majority of comparative stats.
No, you must pick a side! Achtung!It’s like the endless Federer v Nadal debates. Can’t we just say they’re both fantastic? Amazes me folk get angry about this stuff. For the record I’m in the Messi camp!
If you genuinely think the Ballon d'Or was accurate and that Messi is the 5th best player in the world then you are nigh on braindead. He single handedly nearly dragged Barca to an unbeaten league season and Argentina to the WC then the quarter finals.No, we’ll just ignore the fact that in the last 6 years, Ronaldo has won 4 ballon d’Or’s compared to Messi’s 1.
But yeah, no debate at all Messi is the best. So good that he didnt even make the top 3 last year!
Never forget.2 goals and 2 assists?
Nah, the best bit for Messi last night must surely have been sharing a pitch with Dembele.
If you genuinely think the Ballon d'Or was accurate and that Messi is the 5th best player in the world then you are nigh on braindead. He single handedly nearly dragged Barca to an unbeaten league season and Argentina to the WC then the quarter finals.
The Messi Groupies are like teenage fans of a boyband group The whole ''it's no even up for debate'' is a lot of sh*te. Both Ronaldo and Messi have legitimate claims at being the more successful/better footballer, it's close either way and I don't have an issue with people who favour one or the other.
Messi is the better technical footballer there's no doubt about that but you simply can't base it on skill. Ronaldinho was probably more skilful than Messi in terms of sheer raw skill, that doesn't make him a better player than Messi.
Imo if Ronaldo goes and conquers another league and wins his 6th CL title with a 3rd different club in a 3rd country then he shades it for me based on overall achievements.
He won far more points for them than anyone else and any time they looked like losing it was him that saved them, to me and any normal person that is single handedSingle handedly
Did you he play in goal? Centre back? Fair enough, must be superhuman!
Ronaldo’s hat trick the other night demonstrated why he’s talked about in such lofty terms, but also why he fails to convince many that he deserves to be ranked alongside once in a generation players like Pele, Cruyff, Maradona and Messi as the grestest of all time.
The stats will show that two down from the first leg it was Ronaldo, yet again, who made the difference, firing his side into the quarter finals through his irresistible will to win alone.
And that is hugely impressive, but then you look at the goals: a blind side header for the first, which did display his unerring knack of sniffing out a goal and having the physical prowess to win his one on ones, but ultimately it was a bit meh; then another header that the keeper flapped badly at and probably should have kept out, and finally a penalty to round it off.
It was impressive in as much as he had the character and ability as a truly supreme striker to make the difference, but it’s not quite on the same page as Messi destroying Arsenal with four wonderful solo strikes at the same point of the same competition half a dozen years ago or whenever it was.
I think Ronaldo is a phenomenal scorer of goals and a player who will justifiably be remembered as an all-time great, but he just doesn’t possess the hallmark of genius to be ranked alongside the very, very best for me.
You're right. Messi is in a class of his own.He's no Ronaldo...
Agreed. I can't take people seriously when they claim Ronaldo is better.Anybody that disagrees about Messi being the best player in the world is an idiot.
It’s absolutely undeniable.
Conquers another league? It's hardly Diego at Napoli is it?The Messi Groupies are like teenage fans of a boyband group The whole ''it's no even up for debate'' is a lot of sh*te. Both Ronaldo and Messi have legitimate claims at being the more successful/better footballer, it's close either way and I don't have an issue with people who favour one or the other.
Messi is the better technical footballer there's no doubt about that but you simply can't base it on skill. Ronaldinho was probably more skilful than Messi in terms of sheer raw skill, that doesn't make him a better player than Messi.
Imo if Ronaldo goes and conquers another league and wins his 6th CL title with a 3rd different club in a 3rd country then he shades it for me based on overall achievements.
Conquers another league? It's hardly Diego at Napoli is it?
The Messi Groupies are like teenage fans of a boyband group The whole ''it's no even up for debate'' is a lot of sh*te. Both Ronaldo and Messi have legitimate claims at being the more successful/better footballer, it's close either way and I don't have an issue with people who favour one or the other.
Messi is the better technical footballer there's no doubt about that but you simply can't base it on skill. Ronaldinho was probably more skilful than Messi in terms of sheer raw skill, that doesn't make him a better player than Messi.
Imo if Ronaldo goes and conquers another league and wins his 6th CL title with a 3rd different club in a 3rd country then he shades it for me based on overall achievements.
You’d swear Ronaldo has dragged Accrington Stanley to a title. He’s played for Man United, Real Madrid and Juventus. They all would have been favourites for the title with or without him at the times was at the clubs.
No, we’ll just ignore the fact that in the last 6 years, Ronaldo has won 4 ballon d’Or’s compared to Messi’s 1.
But yeah, no debate at all Messi is the best. So good that he didnt even make the top 3 last year!
He had unbelievable skill and tricks when he used to play as a winger before adapting his game to become more of a number 9. You're making him sound like a rich mans Kris Boyd here
You’d swear Ronaldo has dragged Accrington Stanley to a title. He’s played for Man United, Real Madrid and Juventus. They all would have been favourites for the title with or without him at the times was at the clubs.
Ronaldo is a phenomenal footballer, there is no doubt about that. I just think Messi is a level above. It's not really an insult as he's probably a level above every other player who's ever played the game bar one or two.Maybe not, no. Still props up the CV though and IF he wins the CL with Juve as well, even the Messi Groupies can't play down that achievement. Alongside his 5 CL titles with Real and Man Utd and his Euros win with Portugal....
Ronaldo is a phenomenal footballer, there is no doubt about that. I just think Messi is a level above. It's not really an insult as he's probably a level above every other player who's ever played the game bar one or two.
This for me. There’s no wow factor in watching Oblak make a cùnt of the second goal or watching CR7 smash home penalties.
CR7 is a player for the Americanised stat junkies. Messi is a player for the football fans, and he’s no rapist either which is a bonus.
I don't have an issue with you thinking Messi is better. There is a more than valid argument for him. It's things like (what you posted up the page) ''I can't take anyone who thinks Ronaldo is better seriously''. That's just hyperbolic nonsense. There's a bawhair in it either way.
He is the best player I have ever seenGOAT.
Messi will be talked alongside Pele and Maradona when he retires as the best of all time imo.
Ronaldo is just a level beneath imo.
Agree with this. I always thought maradona would be best ever but have to hold hands up and say messi has surpassed him. Every time he gets on the ball it's panic time for opposition.There isn't though. Messi is undeniably the best footballer of all time. He'll never be surpassed.
Just being honest. Messi is on another planet.I don't have an issue with you thinking Messi is better. There is a more than valid argument for him. It's things like (what you posted up the page) ''I can't take anyone who thinks Ronaldo is better seriously''. That's just hyperbolic nonsense. There's a bawhair in it either way.
Ballon d'Or is a bit of a farce don't you think? I mean Modric won it ffs.
Ronaldo won it for scoring an overhead kick for Madrid as well.
On pretty much every stat recorded, Messi beats Ronaldo.
Ronaldo for me.
Technically with ball at feet Messi is better but as an all round player I think Ronaldo is better.
Ronaldo has also done it in the 2 best leagues and with Portugal. He’s currently doing it in a 3rd country.
Ronaldo ain’t been knocked out of the champions league in 4 years which is just mental stats
There isn't though. Messi is undeniably the best footballer of all time. He'll never be surpassed.
Bit rich calling something a farce then using stats to back up an argument on how good a player is.
This whole Messi vs Ronaldo debate is tiresome, they're both clearly exceptional players in their own rights with their own strengths, can't we just leave it at that and enjoy their greatness whilst we have them?
Not really sure what you mean tbh? The Ballon d'Or is a farce because Modric won it and Messi came 5th.
What's that got to do with stats?
It’s like the endless Federer v Nadal debates. Can’t we just say they’re both fantastic? Amazes me folk get angry about this stuff. For the record I’m in the Messi camp!
People always say "Ronaldo is the greatest goalscorer of all time" - even though Messi isn't far behind him and has played far fewer games.
At the moment, Messi's the best goalscorer in the world, the best dribbler, the best assister and probably the best midfielder as well. His range of passing is frightening.
Seen this earlier: Combined goals & assists for the season...
Messi - 57
Mbappe - 41
Ronaldo - 36
Sterling - 35
Benzema - 30
In a league of his own and he missed a month through injury.