Morelos doesn’t make Colombia Copa America squad

JW1988

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This isn’t only a blow for Morelos but also for us financially at least.
If he was in that squad I reckon it adds a bit to his value.
As it stands I’m still 50/50 over him actually leaving as I don’t think many big sides will take a gamble on him based on this season, if he had another season goals wise like this season but cut out the red cards he could have his pick of most top leagues
 

JW1988

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How come he never had a discipline problem before he came to this shit hole? How many of his red cards were actually down to his discipline, or refs being conned or just making shocking decisions? Last season it was Ryan Jack and look how that went.
If we are being honest, in isolation (not looking at what happens to other players in similar situations) maybe 3 of his reds should definitely stand and the others could still be reds.
He’s shafted himself, if he were a victim I don’t think SG would have commented on it the way he did.
 

Crouchy

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Selfishly, best thing yeah could happen.

Hope the manager sat him down and explained it was due to ill disciple, rather than ability.

Maybe the rocket he needed.

He’s got the world at his feet. Needs to screw the nut.

Also, now gets a full pre season and qualifiers with us, should be stay. Which is great!
 

Growler

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It doesn’t decrease his value.

It doesn’t inflate it, but it won’t decrease it from what it was.
We would have got more had he made the squad. We would have got even more had he played and scored. It may have also brought other clubs to the table, increasing overall bidding.

It may not decrease his value from now - but it’s far from optimal - which is surely the planned time to sell him.
 

jackstar

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Not great for us if we're wanting to sell this summer, but another tough lesson for the guy and one he'll learn from.

He seriously needs to cut out his petulance or it's going to cost him.

Give us your all for another season, bring us a 55 or a trophy and you'll leave for a bigger league a hero.
Given his soundbites Yesterday,I think he's off anyway and I think we should take the money and run,hopefully with a sell on clause as well. The teams been excellent without him which was a concern,but it isn't now
 

ICA_86

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We would have got more had he made the squad. We would have got even more had he played and scored. It may have also brought other clubs to the table, increasing overall bidding.

It may not decrease his value from now - but it’s far from optimal - which is surely the planned time to sell him.
Again, we said around £18-20m, I don’t think not getting called up detracts from that.

Colombia play a 4-3-3 with two wingers and a main striker, I thought he was 20% likely to make he squad at best with Falcao and Zapata absolutely miles ahead of him in that role with Muriel also comfortably ahead of him.

In regards to his transfer - I’m totally relaxed. I don’t think we expected to make the Europa groups this year, so the money from that means not selling him isn’t a problem. If we do sell him we’re loaded, if we don’t then we retain the best striker in Scotland - sounds very much like a win win to me.
 

ElBarrileteCosmico

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The main Colombian newspaper has a bit on the list of 40 saying there are a few surprises. Apparently, Alfredo was one of only two players who went to Japan and wasn't selected in this list. They just say that the motives are not known.

It's a decent squad to be fair! People on here were getting a bit ahead of themselves in full spin doctor mode trying to make out he was a staple of the Colombia squad I think.
 

ICA_86

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The main Colombian newspaper has a bit on the list of 40 saying there are a few surprises. Apparently, Alfredo was one of only two players who went to Japan and wasn't selected in this list. They just say that the motives are not known.

It's a decent squad to be fair! People on here were getting a bit ahead of themselves in full spin doctor mode trying to make out he was a staple of the Colombia squad I think.
Was always the case on here, I don’t think a lot of people really understand how strong they are in that department.

Their second choice (Zapata) has scored more goals than Ronaldo in Serie A this year, that’s what he’s up against. It might even be the case that he starts and Falcao is benched.
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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Again, we said around £18-20m, I don’t think not getting called up detracts from that.

Colombia play a 4-3-3 with two wingers and a main striker, I thought he was 20% likely to make he squad at best with Falcao and Zapata absolutely miles ahead of him in that role with Muriel also comfortably ahead of him.

In regards to his transfer - I’m totally relaxed. I don’t think we expected to make the Europa groups this year, so the money from that means not selling him isn’t a problem. If we do sell him we’re loaded, if we don’t then we retain the best striker in Scotland - sounds very much like a win win to me.
It's not the ''not making the squad'' that's the issue. He's not even made a 40 man pool, that is going to be whittled down to 20 odd for the actual tournament, when he's been in the last couple of squads and involved in some games.

It'll be a shock to him and a boot in the balls to be honest.

Maybe it will make him actually grow up a bit now, but we aren't going to get any benefit of that as he's offski.
 

ICA_86

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It's not the ''not making the squad'' that's the issue. He's not even made a 40 man pool, that is going to be whittled down to 20 odd for the actual tournament, when he's been in the last couple of squads and involved in some games.

It'll be a shock to him and a boot in the balls to be honest.

Maybe it will make him actually grow up a bit now, but we aren't going to get any benefit of that as he's offski.
If it’s a boot in the balls to him, then great. He needs it.

He made a lady's front bottom out of Gerrard and all of us, the filth would have collapsed if we’d put them away that day.

I don’t think going to the CA and sitting on the bench for three weeks would have made a huge difference in all honesty though.
 

BrooklynBlue

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There’s another Copa next summer.

Hopefully he doesn’t blame his exclusion with playing in Scotland, although it’s likely a factor. His indiscipline will have cost him - a positive end to the season would have kept him in the manager’s mind.

It’s a strong squad. Exciting tournament ahead; looking forward to it.
 

Bob Belcher

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Some absolute pish on this thread. The odds of Morelos actually going were always incredibly slim. Assuming that Colombia take 4 strikers in their actual squad, it was always going to be Falcao, Zapata, Muriel and Bacca.
 

JeffreySpaulding

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He has plenty of time in his career to fight his way into the squad. Don't know if the red cards had an effect but hopefully this and him losing his place in our team is a bit of a wake up call.
 

Prod Wallace

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Just my take on it, not based on anything other than opinion.

His agent will drill it in to him he has to leave as the reason he didn't get called up was because he plays in Scotland. Convinced this will be the narrative.

Reality tho is poor discipline and perhaps just not doing enough when called up will be why he hasn't made it.

Love the guy, but honestly think this is certain to add more weight to him leaving. I just hope it's on the right terms for the club.
 

Lawsome

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He's potentially cost us the win and potentially the league with that sending off. The one game we needed him most and the one game it'll have been hammered home to him before hand that he had to keep the head given his previous indiscipline.

We could've be going into the last game of the season needing to score more than them. This is bigger than Alfredo.

Let's get whatever the fee is and strengthen all over.
 

Danger Zone

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I’m still struggling to forgive him for the red card at Parkhead after his indiscipline all season and how big the game was.

It was the final nail of the title race not winning that day.
We weren’t really in the title race at that point and the only reason we were in it as long as we were was because of him. He team mates didn’t have the bottle when it mattered.
 

Madnutter0102

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Not surprised in the slightest. The red cards have definitely cost him, but i also believe its because of where he plays his football.
 

Dempster

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We weren’t really in the title race at that point and the only reason we were in it as long as we were was because of him. He team mates didn’t have the bottle when it mattered.
Agreed .

It’s the same as people saying “ Worral cost is the title “ with one slip at Kilmarnock .

No one mistake or slip cost us the title . It’s a collective effort over 38 games and its nonsensical to say one red card or one mistake cost the title . You could argue losing last minute goals at pittodrie and Motherwell cost us more .
 

ICA_86

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Some absolute pish on this thread. The odds of Morelos actually going were always incredibly slim. Assuming that Colombia take 4 strikers in their actual squad, it was always going to be Falcao, Zapata, Muriel and Bacca.
I’d be shocked if Muriel or Bacca got much game time in that squad, never mind Morelos.

They might get a start against Qatar in the second group game, but that’s about it.
 

brain

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11 strikers were selected ahead of him? It's a stretch to call him an international if he doesn't even make the top 11 forwards.
 

standardbarger

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Could be a defining moment for him and us- straight away his value drops. I hope he has the mental fortitude to redouble his efforts and make it to the highest level. We should ensure a good selling on clause.
Why does his value drop his value last week was not dependant in getting in the Columbian squad so why all of a sudden has it dropped?.
 

Bob Belcher

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It's not the ''not making the squad'' that's the issue. He's not even made a 40 man pool, that is going to be whittled down to 20 odd for the actual tournament, when he's been in the last couple of squads and involved in some games.
He's had a handful of minutes in friendly matches where they take massive squads in order to give fringe players a bit of game time and a taste of what international football is about. He's up against established guys like Falcao, Zapata, Muriel and Bacca who have 166 caps between them. Zapata has the least of them with 7, but he's scored 27 goals for Atalanta this season.
 

ICA_86

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He's had a handful of minutes in friendly matches where they take massive squads in order to give fringe players a bit of game time and a taste of what international football is about. He's up against established guys like Falcao, Zapata, Muriel and Bacca who have 166 caps between them. Zapata has the least of them with 7, but he's scored 27 goals for Atalanta this season.
He’s a 21 year old whose played in Finland and Scotland, folk need to chill out.

His value is the same as it was this time two weeks ago, end of story.
 

StirlingBear

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Gutted for the wee fella but time is on his side he is what 20/21? Strikers with his strike rate don't come cheap if he keeps up his scoring form either here or somewhere else he will get called up again.
 

Gallant_Few

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That will just confirm to Alfie he needs to move to a better league in order to fulfill his international ambitions.
 

RFC4ME

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How come he never had a discipline problem before he came to this shit hole? How many of his red cards were actually down to his discipline, or refs being conned or just making shocking decisions? Last season it was Ryan Jack and look how that went.
I have heard this point rasied before and it genuinely does make me think, because the refs in Finland must be shit.

I don't think Morelos play on the park is dictate by narrative from referees or what other players do - it is driven from him being an evil wee bastard in the best way possible and simply seeing his job as a profesional player to win, by any means - he pushes that more than what most see as "accepted" in the same way Suarez and Costa for example do, is what it is i take no issue with it but it does get a player noticed.

I have no issue with how he acts on a park - but can also see his style of play does push limits.

If he moves to England next season for example, he will be an oft spoke about player in the media because of his style of play.
 

ClockworkOrange

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Some absolute pish on this thread. The odds of Morelos actually going were always incredibly slim. Assuming that Colombia take 4 strikers in their actual squad, it was always going to be Falcao, Zapata, Muriel and Bacca.
Yep. This is sadly the reason.

There are, quite simply, better players than him in the squad. Nothing to do with indiscipline.
 
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