Ferguson's is just under 60% which is phenomenal when you consider the mess they were in when he arrived and that he struggled for 4 years to rebuild the squad.
Wonder what his win % would be between 1990 - 2013
Their squad cost about £1bn, the football is dull as dishwater and Mourinho is moaning that £300m wasnt enough money to spend.Also shows he is doing something right although seems to get constant criticism
Flip side of the argument is Ferguson didn't have two clubs bankrolled by multi billionaires with a bottomless pit of money to compete against for large parts of his tenure.
Mourinho will be cursing Guardiola again because in a normal season Utd would be bang right in the title mix this season.
At the end of last season Man City had only spent about £1m more than Man Utd on their squad.Flip side of the argument is Ferguson didn't have two clubs bankrolled by multi billionaires with a bottomless pit of money to compete against for large parts of his tenure.
Mourinho will be cursing Guardiola again because in a normal season Utd would be bang right in the title mix this season.
He faced Chelsea under Abramovich for 10 years and won 5 titles to their 3 in that period.
He faced Man City under Mansour for 5 years and won 3 titles to their 1 in that period.
Van Gaal spent about £300m didn't he?Just to add something to the debate, let's not pretend Man Utd have only spent big money under Mourinho. They have been the most wealthy team of the last 30 or 40 years. Remember, the were breaking transfer records, or paying big fees way back to the likes of Bryan Robson, through to the likes of Gary Pallister, Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Juan Veron, Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney.
Spot on.I could have watched Fergies team for hours when they were on song.Mourinho’s Man U are painful to watch.
Comparing them to Ferguson’s Man U is an affront to the senses, eyesight being the most offended sense
Man Utd aren't really being outspent by other clubs though.That kind of proves the point. He only won half of the titles available to him when Abramovich came to Chelsea and it took Chelsea 2 or 3 years to get up and running. They were being built from a position of weakness, same as City.
I'm not doubting Fergusons Genius or achievements at all but football has moved on a bit from his time now with the amount of money involved in it and how this is having an effect on the game.
It’s a very good point. Yes the money today is astronomical but that’s purely due to the tv deals which in turn drive up sponsorship, it’s not like they are spending far more now in relation to other clubs compared with previous years, it’s just that under Fergie he really made the most of that advantage.Just to add something to the debate, let's not pretend Man Utd have only spent big money under Mourinho. They have been the most wealthy team of the last 30 or 40 years. Remember, the were breaking transfer records, or paying big fees way back to the likes of Bryan Robson, through to the likes of Gary Pallister, Neil Webb, Paul Ince, Roy Keane, Andy Cole, Juan Veron, Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney.
I'm not doubting Fergusons Genius or achievements at all but football has moved on a bit from his time now with the amount of money involved in it and how this is having an effect on the game.
Ferguson's last title win with a squad barely worthy of the top six, should go down as one of the greatest achievements by any manager in the top division.
That kind of proves the point. He only won half of the titles available to him when Abramovich came to Chelsea and it took Chelsea 2 or 3 years to get up and running. They were being built from a position of weakness, same as City.
I'm not doubting Fergusons Genius or achievements at all but football has moved on a bit from his time now with the amount of money involved in it and how this is having an effect on the game.
Ferguson's last title win with a squad barely worthy of the top six, should go down as one of the greatest achievements by any manager in the top division.
how can a team which signs Deschamps, Desailly, Vialli, Laudrup and Zola be in a position of weakness?, Chelsea were back on a par with the best before Abramovitch pitched up.
they won FA Cups and the ECWC, not exactly struggling were they?They were a good team, but they weren't a great team. The players you mention were all at the back end of their career bar Zola arguably. The talk was they were in financial bother as well, & we're close to having to sell John Terry to raise money. The fact they went out and bought a dozen new first team players that summer kind of tells you that.
Im not so sure about that. They still had some top players, admittedly, some were past their best, but this was a squad that still had De Gea, Vidic, Rio, Evans, Jones, Smalling, Evra, Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Fletcher, Nani, Kagawa, Berbatov, Rooney, Chicharito, Welbeck, and of course the main man Van Persie.
It's hardly a poverty team when you see some of those names.
Ferguson's last title win with a squad barely worthy of the top six, should go down as one of the greatest achievements by any manager in the top division.
they won FA Cups and the ECWC, not exactly struggling were they?
Birch confirmed that there were other obligations that had put Chelsea in financial difficulty. He was working to refinance the debts to delay repayment for 12 months, by which time the lucratively remunerated Marcel Desailly, Gianfranco Zola, Emmanuel Petit and Winston Bogarde would have been removed from the wage bill. It meant that Chelsea's period of extravagance, mostly funded by debt, had come to a close.
If they hadn't signed R v P, I think that Arsenal would've cruised it that season.
Between him and Ferguson the difference for me is Ferguson made United Dominant with a squad of above average players topped up with top class , Mourinho needs a squad of top class to challenge, although I don't think Ferguson came up against anything Like City are just now
Mourinho won the CL twice within a few seasons with teams who had no right to win it. Genuine miraculous achievements.
Ferguson only had 2 CL wins in 20 years at arguably the biggest and richest club in the world. He had unbelievable luck with his two wins as well with two injury time goals against Bayern and John Terry slipping when trying to hit a penalty in the shootout against Chelsea.
Mourinho won the CL twice within a few seasons with teams who had no right to win it. Genuine miraculous achievements.
Ferguson only had 2 CL wins in 20 years at arguably the biggest and richest club in the world. He had unbelievable luck with his two wins as well with two injury time goals against Bayern and John Terry slipping when trying to hit a penalty in the shootout against Chelsea.
To be fair Mourinho had unbelievable luck with Porto, look at the draw and the teams they had to face, the wrongly disallowed goal that would have sent Ferguson’s United through and Porto crashing out. It’s not as though they were a giant slaying CL winning side.
Fergie had plenty of luck over the course of premiership seasons, including some goals way past when the game should have ended, and im sure at one point no team had won a penalty at Old Trafford for near on 8 seasons
Fergie had plenty of luck over the course of premiership seasons, including some goals way past when the game should have ended, and im sure at one point no team had won a penalty at Old Trafford for near on 8 seasons
Which also meant he left behind a team nowhere near good enough once they had a mere mortal for a manager.