My FARE Essay

Carson's Cat

Well-Known Member
This started out as a reply to another thread, which is why some of the wording may seem a little odd, but I thought it was worth being considered in its own right. There are two things going on here.

Thing one is that we can't be singing FTP/Fenian bastard songs so let's park that, take our medicine and get on with it. We have enough songs in our book to make these few irrelevant.

Thing two is that there is something distasteful about FARE and it's heehaw to do with some video of a bird that looks like Aasmah Mir at an Arsenal game. Go down that route and you'll look like a fool.

Like @oranje-viola I had a keek at FARE's website and you can see it here: https://farenet.org/

Three things I have gleaned from spending a half hour reading and googling about FARE:

1. They actively encourage involvement with the, sometimes violent, ANTIFA movement. This is the first news article on the website. The MLS (in the US) have banned all political symbols and FARE have objected to this stating: messages promoting equality, social causes, and humanitarian messages, such as antifascist symbolism would not be objected by any reasonable person and thus should not be sanctioned or prohibited. Link here: https://farenet.org/news/why-mls-is-missing-the-point-with-its-new-no-political-display-rule/

The subtext here is that your political symbolism is unacceptable but ours is to be encouraged.

2. FARE issue a handy guide to identifying supporters' groups who may use symbols which some find objectionable. You can download the PDF here: https://www.farenet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Signs-and-Symbols-guide-for-European-football_2016-2.pdf

The key to this hard work is that it is all about, and I quote, "organised far-right groups inside stadiums displaying encoded signs and symbols to convey messages of hate." Absolutely heehaw about their big ANTIFA-loving pals and their own symbolism. Nothing to do with the odious lefties and their own flags of shame.

3. Piara Powar has a questionable view on terrorism. He/FARE led a campaign against England fans' anti-IRA chants when South Ireland played England in 2013. Lots of tears wept in the Guardian about England chanting 'No Surrender to The Ra'. Easy to find links if you can be arsed.

However, he also stuck his oar in when we (Scotland) played England at The Piggery in 2014 and the England fans had a healthy rendition of %^*& The IRA. Chants here:


What did he say after the game? Happily we have an unusually anti-English page from The Star to prompt us: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/england-scotland-ira-fans-18698096

Leading anti-discrimination campaigner Piara Powar criticised the fans who joined in with the anti-IRA chanting, and called on the FA to make sure it does not occur again.

"The Ireland situation is being healed. People there have been working very hard in the north and south to address the troubles they had in the 1970s and 1980s and beyond and then England fans come along, the band get involved, and there are songs which are completely irrelevant.

"Presumably they were singing them last night because they were in Celtic Park and because Celtic has a strong Irish fan base.

"It's completely unnecessary for England fans to get involved, and I think that now would be a good time for the FA to look at how the fans are led in their chanting."

So what do I conclude from this? It's twofold:

1. Don't go to Ibrox and chant about The Pope and Fenians. Pretty simple.
2. There is something absolutely rotten about FARE.

FARE's self-appointed remit is: Fare combats all forms of discrimination, including racism, far-right nationalism, sexism, trans- and homophobia and discrimination against disabled people.

This simply isn't good enough. We play in a city where terrorism is often vaunted by its 2nd biggest team and where pro-terrorist marches are actively encouraged by the City Council against the advice of Police Scotland. We can see from Point 3 that Piara Powar is sympathetic towards this and chanting against the scum of the RA doesn't fit in with either his or FARE's ANTIFA agenda.

What would I like the club to do?

1. Reinforce the need not to sing proscribed songs
2. Challenge FARE's role as having a, "Third party reporting status with UEFA" as it's blindingly obvious that they have an agenda.
3. Declaim that FARE, by pushing the odious ANTIFA mandate (see point 1), have no competency when it comes to judging supporters who may wish to invoke any sort of mainstream political view.

Sorry for the long post but I thought some may find it useful.
 
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nemessis

Well-Known Member
This started out as a reply to another thread, which is why some of the wording may seem a little odd, but I thought it was worth being considered in its own right. There are two things going on here.

Thing one is that we can't be singing FTP/Fenian bastard songs so let's park that, take our medicine and get on with it. We have enough songs in our book to make these few irrelevant.

Thing two is that there is something distasteful about FARE and it's heehaw to do with some video of a bird that looks like Aasmah Mir at an Arsenal game. Go down that route and you'll look like a fool.

Like @oranje-viola I had a keek at FARE's website and you can see it here: https://farenet.org/

Three things I have gleaned from spending a half hour reading and googling about FARE:

1. They actively encourage involvement with the, sometimes violent, ANTIFA movement. This is the first news article on the website. The MLS (in the US) have banned all political symbols and FARE have objected to this stating: messages promoting equality, social causes, and humanitarian messages, such as antifascist symbolism would not be objected by any reasonable person and thus should not be sanctioned or prohibited. Link here: https://farenet.org/news/why-mls-is-missing-the-point-with-its-new-no-political-display-rule/

The subtext here is that your political symbolism is unacceptable but ours is to be encouraged.

2. FARE issue a handy guide to identifying supporters' groups who may use symbols which some find objectionable. You can download the PDF here: https://www.farenet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Signs-and-Symbols-guide-for-European-football_2016-2.pdf

The key to this hard work is that it is all about, and I quote, "organised far-right groups inside stadiums displaying encoded signs and symbols to convey messages of hate." Absolutely heehaw about their big ANTIFA-loving pals and their own symbolism. Nothing to do with the odious lefties and their own flags of shame.

3. Piara Powar has a questionable view on terrorism. He/FARE led a campaign against England fans' anti-IRA chants when South Ireland played England in 2013. Lots of tears wept in the Guardian about England chanting 'No Surrender to The Ra'. Easy to find links if you can be arsed.

However, he also stuck his oar in when we (Scotland) played England at The Piggery in 2014 and the England fans had a healthy rendition of %^*& The IRA. Chants here:


What did he say after the game? Happily we have an unusually anti-English page from The Star to prompt us: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/england-scotland-ira-fans-18698096

Leading anti-discrimination campaigner Piara Powar criticised the fans who joined in with the anti-IRA chanting, and called on the FA to make sure it does not occur again.

"The Ireland situation is being healed. People there have been working very hard in the north and south to address the troubles they had in the 1970s and 1980s and beyond and then England fans come along, the band get involved, and there are songs which are completely irrelevant.

"Presumably they were singing them last night because they were in Celtic Park and because Celtic has a strong Irish fan base.

"It's completely unnecessary for England fans to get involved, and I think that now would be a good time for the FA to look at how the fans are led in their chanting."

So what do I conclude from this? It's twofold:

1. Don't go to Ibrox and chant about The Pope and Fenians. Pretty simple.
2. There is something absolutely rotten about FARE.

FARE's self-appointed remit is: Fare combats all forms of discrimination, including racism, far-right nationalism, sexism, trans- and homophobia and discrimination against disabled people.

This simply isn't good enough. We play in a city where terrorism is often vaunted by its 2nd biggest team and where pro-terrorist marches are actively encouraged by the City Council against the advice of Police Scotland. We can see from Point 3 that Piara Powar is sympathetic towards this and chanting against the scum of the RA doesn't fit in with either his or FARE's ANTIFA agenda.

What would I like the club to do?

1. Reinforce the need not to sing proscribed songs
2. Challenge FARE's role as having a, "Third party reporting status with UEFA" as it's blindingly obvious that they have an agenda.
3. Declaim that FARE, by pushing the odious ANTIFA mandate (see point 1), have no competency when it comes to judging supporters who may wish to invoke any sort of mainstream political view.

Sorry for the long post but I thought some may find it useful.
Excellent post and summary about this mob of charlatans under the guise of being honest and agenda free which they clearly are not.
 

Carson's Cat

Well-Known Member
2. FARE issue a handy guide to identifying supporters' groups who may use symbols which some find objectionable. You can download the PDF here: https://www.farenet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Signs-and-Symbols-guide-for-European-football_2016-2.pdf

The key to this hard work is that it is all about, and I quote, "organised far-right groups inside stadiums displaying encoded signs and symbols to convey messages of hate." Absolutely heehaw about their big ANTIFA-loving pals and their own symbolism. Nothing to do with the odious lefties and their own flags of shame..
I know it takes an absolute wanker to quote his own post but I want to apologise to FARE. I had a quick flick through their, "Simpleton's Guide to Wrong 'Uns" (the PDF I linked to in point 2) and they actually got something right. There's a prominent symbol which they identify as being odious. Here it is:


Now you don't even have to be awake to see this as either a huge faux pas or a massive own goal. Any guesses on who uses this symbol so detested by FARE? Anyone needing a hint or three?







FARE has a massive credibility problem. They go to press stating that, "The Celtic Cross is a symbol used by Neo Nazis world wide" but do the square root of hee haw wrt the only team in world football who use The Celtic Cross as a regular part of their kit/branding.

So questions: Are FARE 1. Stupid? 2. Ignorant arseholes? 3. Mendacious?

I know I'm a bit Orangey and I am certainly the bluenose scion of a bluenose but, were I on the Rangers' board, I would be questioning FARE's right to be taken seriously as having, "Third party reporting status with UEFA".

They are incoherent as an organisation and do not have clean hands and we should be challenging them.
 

StaunchyAF

Member
Fantastic post mate

If only the media in ‘our’ country would invest the same time and effort in their research.

The %^*&-the-popery needs to stop but there’s no denying this mob have a serious and (unfortunately) so far successful agenda.
 

Buxton Bear

Active Member
If you want to look at Parkhead and symbolism there is loads. 18-88 for a start and HH! Plus their fondness for Di Fanio and Caesar! Flirting with religious purity and other authoritsrian Nationalist ideas.

Love of terrorists and authoritarians plus their fondness abandoning the rule of law when it comes to their conduct. Everyone knows who the dark side is BUT thanks and Lawwell et al spending the last decade getting ingrained professionally at all corporate levels of football they dodge accountability. It doesn't matter the politics of the debate that's for outside the football.

What we have to do in the ground is play by the rules even if we don't like the administration and rule makers. They are all powerful. The SFA will follow on UEFAs lead..
 

oranje-viola

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As an organisation they reek of hypocrisy and in a ‘normal’ political and social landscape they would be laughed out the room and be forever consigned to obscurity given their lack of balance and transparency.

Sadly in this era of identity politics and ‘wokeness’, organisations such as FARE (and NBM for that matter) are given far more credence and influence than they should and in effect the tail is wagging the dog with these ‘minority champions’ calling the shots. It’s symptomatic of the world we live in at present that this ‘offended for 15 minutes’ culture is given far too much credence and power - on both sides of the political spectrum I may add.

Extremism in all forms - left or right - should be tackled (as the MLS has done) if they are being fair and transparent- as people have the freedom and right to choose where to align themselves in terms of a political spectrum - but as is the case with the ‘new left’ of the 21st century they are only interested in hammering one side only with their agenda, and the angsty shouty and sometimes also violent Antifa mobs are something to be celebrated as opposed to clamped down on. If a club wishes to celebrate either left or right-wing associated heritage - without outright racism or hatred - they should be allowed to do so as you can’t turn a blind to only one side of it.

It’s ironic that had it not been for The Reformation and it’s associated conflicts in its aftermath then we would all be sitting here today bound by dogma, fear and repression under the yoke of the Church of Rome, with no outlet for freedom of belief or expression and definitely no opportunity for pressure groups such as FARE or NBM to exist let alone thrive. As a club we obviously have a heritage and culture closely tied to Scottish Protestantism, which during the Reformation was more plausible in being classed as a genuinely socialist revolution than any of the inane self-indulgent pish these woke middle-class sjw’s see as constituting the ‘left’ in 2019.

And these ‘fenians’ we sing of and trigger such apparent offence over - who see themselves as self-anointed champions of the left and socially repressed - have extremist and virulent Irish Catholic ethno-nationalism at their very core of what they are about, no different to those extreme examples of ethnic-nationalism as seen in the former Yugoslavia. Shouldn’t it be they who the ‘anti-extremist’ watchdogs have their targets trained upon? Or does a wee Che Guevara flag and a ‘Refugee’s Welcome’ display make support for ethnic and political cleansing all fine and well?
 

ibroxbound

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Fantastic post mate

If only the media in ‘our’ country would invest the same time and effort in their research.

The %^*&-the-popery needs to stop but there’s no denying this mob have a serious and (unfortunately) so far successful agenda.
Not only the media though.
Some of our own are quick to criticise fellow supporters without knowing the background and agenda of FARE.
 

Gregybear

Well-Known Member
Great research and a fascinating point. I had assumed that they were an anti-political slogan body. It turns out that political (stretching to terrorist) are Ok as long as they agree with their worldview. This is incredible. The loony far left is OK but anything extreme right wing is fine. Their hypocrisy should be their downfall
 

GourockBlue50

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Official Ticketer
UEFA give us no right of appeal. This is surely against everyones human rights. And before anyone say's they have us bang to rights etc. there will be cases where they get things wrong.

I still don't understand how we can be classed as racist as we haven't chanted anything racist.
 

oranje-viola

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Partizan played behind closed doors on Thursday due to the display of a Celtic cross. Interesting.
It’s all about the ‘context’ with these wanks such as FARE and NBM tho mate.

This is the reason why it would seem ‘all forms’ of TBB are a no-go area for us - due to the connotations to the original lyrics even if it we only hummed or ‘Edu, Edu, Edu, Edu’d it - whilst other clubs can sing it as they like with their own words. UEFA have nailed our version as being inextricably linked to extremism and I’m sure in the case of the Celtic Cross the filth’s intentions with it won’t be viewed in the same way as some Eastern European Hooligan group’s reasoning behind it
 

Div1872

Well-Known Member
Great work OP

The club need to push and question what other reports they have submitted to UEFA

Not just about the Tarriers but which other incidents have they found offensive ?

Even Bain back in 2011 questioned FARE and pointed out their lack of balance and as he OP has highlighted anti IRA chants were commented on by FARE v ROI

Bet you there are zero complaints by FARE about anti British or anti Protestant chants by scum fans

FARE need properly investigated and outed as a sham

Said on Friday it appears we were found guilty without a hearing

Kangaroo court and no right of appeal
 

Gogso

Well-Known Member
I know it takes an absolute wanker to quote his own post but I want to apologise to FARE. I had a quick flick through their, "Simpleton's Guide to Wrong 'Uns" (the PDF I linked to in point 2) and they actually got something right. There's a prominent symbol which they identify as being odious. Here it is:


Now you don't even have to be awake to see this as either a huge faux pas or a massive own goal. Any guesses on who uses this symbol so detested by FARE? Anyone needing a hint or three?







FARE has a massive credibility problem. They go to press stating that, "The Celtic Cross is a symbol used by Neo Nazis world wide" but do the square root of hee haw wrt the only team in world football who use The Celtic Cross as a regular part of their kit/branding.

So questions: Are FARE 1. Stupid? 2. Ignorant arseholes? 3. Mendacious?

I know I'm a bit Orangey and I am certainly the bluenose scion of a bluenose but, were I on the Rangers' board, I would be questioning FARE's right to be taken seriously as having, "Third party reporting status with UEFA".

They are incoherent as an organisation and do not have clean hands and we should be challenging them.
Good research.
Hope that the club take this up for future reference.
 

Gogso

Well-Known Member
Great work OP

The club need to push and question what other reports they have submitted to UEFA

Not just about the Tarriers but which other incidents have they found offensive ?

Even Bain back in 2011 questioned FARE and pointed out their lack of balance and as he OP has highlighted anti IRA chants were commented on by FARE v ROI

Bet you there are zero complaints by FARE about anti British or anti Protestant chants by scum fans

FARE need properly investigated and outed as a sham

Said on Friday it appears we were found guilty without a hearing

Kangaroo court and no right of appeal
 

Arkanoid

Well-Known Member
FARE are the equivalent of Jack Dorsey and Twitter, as the founder of the the platform he's dictating what can/cannot see or post as it doesn't adhere to his own/companies values. As a company I can understand the thought of it as my ball, I decide whose playing but who decided FARE were to be the Zuckerbergs and Dorsey of the Football world?
 

pepsimax73

Active Member
It shows what is out there in factual black and white the complete hypocrisy of these so called organisations against racism and hatred if board members like the OP can find why can't the legal team of Ranger FC wrote on another thread it's time they looked into this
 

WATP

Well-Known Member
UEFA give us no right of appeal. This is surely against everyones human rights. And before anyone say's they have us bang to rights etc. there will be cases where they get things wrong.

I still don't understand how we can be classed as racist as we haven't chanted anything racist.
If I had a right few Quid I’d launch a private prosecution case against UEFA and FARE for breaching my Human rights and freedom of speech. I’d be challenging the definition of Fenian, I’d be challenging the differential in our cultural folk songs to those used as national anthems, like France with their reference to slitting throats and watering fields with their enemies blood or Scotland’s reference to ethnic cleansing of the English from our lands.

Compare our songs and chants to the allowed hate filled speeches of Muslim clerics that goes unpunished and id be confident that legally these Football bodies wouldn’t have a leg to stand on!
 

Coza

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It’s blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention that FARE are gunning for us. They see us in a certain light and dropping TBB and all references to fenians won’t change that view but it should put an end to uefa charges.

Our problem primarily stems from the long game Celtic have played in talking up their position as a club of the people and talking down our club (all be it via third parties) as an oppressive organisation. While this shouldn’t impact our position versus uefa charges it does leave us with no one willing to go into bat for us in the media etc and totally skews all debate/opinion.

A great example being the Hokey Cokey story years back. They actually got that to the tv as a credible story - think about that for a second. It was however so absurd it got laughed out by all right minded thinking people. But imagine the argument was far more nuanced and not as obviously bat shit crazy and then think where would the average punter in the street believe. The PR driven national news story or a few punters on a forum/phone in saying it was nonsense?

When I moved to Edinburgh in 2001 I noticed whenever you said you supported rangers to anyone you would have been as well saying you eat babies in your spare time. The reaction was that of pure disgust from people with zero interest in Football.

In this backdrop we will struggle to convince anyone else FARE are one sided with their approach but we will have to try somehow to do this longer term or the punishments will continue.

Great OP mate.
 

oranje-viola

Well-Known Member
FARE are the equivalent of Jack Dorsey and Twitter, as the founder of the the platform he's dictating what can/cannot see or post as it doesn't adhere to his own/companies values. As a company I can understand the thought of it as my ball, I decide whose playing but who decided FARE were to be the Zuckerbergs and Dorsey of the Football world?
We are living in the era of #metoo, gender-fluid identities, being body-positive regardless if you’re an obese mess or not and middle class Social Justice Warriors feeling they can ‘change the world’ to suit their own agendas.

It’s a fertile and welcoming environment for minority pressure groups such as FARE to operate in. UEFA - despite being corrupt to their very core - don’t want to be seen as not being ‘woke’ enough and so give them their ear in an attempt to be seen as right-on and board with social justice.
 

TNT

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If they have actively encouraged ANTIFA then they are a politically motivated organisation. Therefor should NOT be anywhere near UEFA or any other body. They are political.

Simple as that
No doubts about it that they are politically motivated.

That "symbols" booklet thing is a disgrace.

There is an Italian one I double checked - but, no it wasn't that Easter Lilly thing SF/IRA are so fond of.

They don't seem to like our friends at Legia too much. They seem to see them as nazis.............

No doubt they have no problems with Palestinian flags at the Brendanbowl.

If FARE had the be best interests at heart, they would have came to Rangers first with their concerns.........say that "We find this unacceptable, what are you going to do with it?" But, they seem to have stabbed the club in the back and ran to Uefa telling tales.
 

Partickger

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The OP’s point was proven when they swapped their Irish flags for Palestinian ones to goad the Israeli’s a few years back.

Clearly political and inflammatory but it was all good as it fitted with FARE’s world view.

It’s totally political and unbalanced.
 

GourockBlue50

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Official Ticketer
If I had a right few Quid I’d launch a private prosecution case against UEFA and FARE for breaching my Human rights and freedom of speech. I’d be challenging the definition of Fenian, I’d be challenging the differential in our cultural folk songs to those used as national anthems, like France with their reference to slitting throats and watering fields with their enemies blood or Scotland’s reference to ethnic cleansing of the English from our lands.

Compare our songs and chants to the allowed hate filled speeches of Muslim clerics that goes unpunished and id be confident that legally these Football bodies wouldn’t have a leg to stand on!
The definition of fenian is the crux of the matter. We aren't chanting or singing against catholics or a race. We are chanting against terrorists.
 

PalefaceRedskin

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This started out as a reply to another thread, which is why some of the wording may seem a little odd, but I thought it was worth being considered in its own right. There are two things going on here.

Thing one is that we can't be singing FTP/Fenian bastard songs so let's park that, take our medicine and get on with it. We have enough songs in our book to make these few irrelevant.

Thing two is that there is something distasteful about FARE and it's heehaw to do with some video of a bird that looks like Aasmah Mir at an Arsenal game. Go down that route and you'll look like a fool.

Like @oranje-viola I had a keek at FARE's website and you can see it here: https://farenet.org/

Three things I have gleaned from spending a half hour reading and googling about FARE:

1. They actively encourage involvement with the, sometimes violent, ANTIFA movement. This is the first news article on the website. The MLS (in the US) have banned all political symbols and FARE have objected to this stating: messages promoting equality, social causes, and humanitarian messages, such as antifascist symbolism would not be objected by any reasonable person and thus should not be sanctioned or prohibited. Link here: https://farenet.org/news/why-mls-is-missing-the-point-with-its-new-no-political-display-rule/

The subtext here is that your political symbolism is unacceptable but ours is to be encouraged.

2. FARE issue a handy guide to identifying supporters' groups who may use symbols which some find objectionable. You can download the PDF here: https://www.farenet.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Signs-and-Symbols-guide-for-European-football_2016-2.pdf

The key to this hard work is that it is all about, and I quote, "organised far-right groups inside stadiums displaying encoded signs and symbols to convey messages of hate." Absolutely heehaw about their big ANTIFA-loving pals and their own symbolism. Nothing to do with the odious lefties and their own flags of shame.

3. Piara Powar has a questionable view on terrorism. He/FARE led a campaign against England fans' anti-IRA chants when South Ireland played England in 2013. Lots of tears wept in the Guardian about England chanting 'No Surrender to The Ra'. Easy to find links if you can be arsed.

However, he also stuck his oar in when we (Scotland) played England at The Piggery in 2014 and the England fans had a healthy rendition of %^*& The IRA. Chants here:


What did he say after the game? Happily we have an unusually anti-English page from The Star to prompt us: https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/england-scotland-ira-fans-18698096

Leading anti-discrimination campaigner Piara Powar criticised the fans who joined in with the anti-IRA chanting, and called on the FA to make sure it does not occur again.

"The Ireland situation is being healed. People there have been working very hard in the north and south to address the troubles they had in the 1970s and 1980s and beyond and then England fans come along, the band get involved, and there are songs which are completely irrelevant.

"Presumably they were singing them last night because they were in Celtic Park and because Celtic has a strong Irish fan base.

"It's completely unnecessary for England fans to get involved, and I think that now would be a good time for the FA to look at how the fans are led in their chanting."

So what do I conclude from this? It's twofold:

1. Don't go to Ibrox and chant about The Pope and Fenians. Pretty simple.
2. There is something absolutely rotten about FARE.

FARE's self-appointed remit is: Fare combats all forms of discrimination, including racism, far-right nationalism, sexism, trans- and homophobia and discrimination against disabled people.

This simply isn't good enough. We play in a city where terrorism is often vaunted by its 2nd biggest team and where pro-terrorist marches are actively encouraged by the City Council against the advice of Police Scotland. We can see from Point 3 that Piara Powar is sympathetic towards this and chanting against the scum of the RA doesn't fit in with either his or FARE's ANTIFA agenda.

What would I like the club to do?

1. Reinforce the need not to sing proscribed songs
2. Challenge FARE's role as having a, "Third party reporting status with UEFA" as it's blindingly obvious that they have an agenda.
3. Declaim that FARE, by pushing the odious ANTIFA mandate (see point 1), have no competency when it comes to judging supporters who may wish to invoke any sort of mainstream political view.

Sorry for the long post but I thought some may find it useful.
Your analysis is spot on mate. You should send that to the club because frankly I sometimes wonder if Stewart Robertson, who I know does a lot of good work, sometimes needs someone to join the dots for him.
 
"Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth."
This is what we've been subjected to, particularly regarding our stance regarding catholics. The main ones obviously being that Mo Johnstone was our first Catholic, and the furore surrounding his signing, and this one where fenians=Catholics. It's been a drip-drip repetition for the past few years, and now look at it.
 

the count

Well-Known Member
Fantastic post mate

If only the media in ‘our’ country would invest the same time and effort in their research.

The %^*&-the-popery needs to stop but there’s no denying this mob have a serious and (unfortunately) so far successful agenda.


If you want an up to date sample of the media in our country try reading that bitter crunt Waddell in to-days Mail I stopped at the word '' resurfaced '' in respect of our club, his sanctimonious crap involves only one team, he mentions in the passing, PIRA and numerous fines accumulated by the scum from UEFA but doesn't attempt to explain why this accumulation hasn't resulted in A a report from '' FARE '' and B a partial closure of the Stadia, no he rushes on past that to vilify us and our club for songs sung and we deserve all we get and anything else coming to us, no mention of opposing players being attacked at the cesspit, This post is not whataboutery it's about parity something sadly lacking when we and our club are in the frame.
 

Turrabear

Well-Known Member
Great work OP

The club need to push and question what other reports they have submitted to UEFA

Not just about the Tarriers but which other incidents have they found offensive ?

Even Bain back in 2011 questioned FARE and pointed out their lack of balance and as he OP has highlighted anti IRA chants were commented on by FARE v ROI

Bet you there are zero complaints by FARE about anti British or anti Protestant chants by scum fans

FARE need properly investigated and outed as a sham

Said on Friday it appears we were found guilty without a hearing

Kangaroo court and no right of appeal
We should .but you need a spine to do that.
 

ClockworkOrange

Well-Known Member
The definition of fenian is the crux of the matter. We aren't chanting or singing against catholics or a race. We are chanting against terrorists.
Sorry, but this is nonsense based on a couple of reasons:

1. The flexibility in which the term is used at Ibrox
2. The acknowledged use of it as a derogatory term (which has in turn been subsequently re-appropriated by the Celtic support)

To stick steadfastly to the 19th century origins of the word and ignore its different definitions and usages over the years is simply folly.
 

GourockBlue50

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Official Ticketer
Sorry, but this is nonsense based on a couple of reasons:

1. The flexibility in which the term is used at Ibrox
2. The acknowledged use of it as a derogatory term (which has in turn been subsequently re-appropriated by the Celtic support)

To stick steadfastly to the 19th century origins of the word and ignore its different definitions and usages over the years is simply folly.
So you are telling me that all Catholics are Fenians.
 

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