My Top Ten Teammates, Jim Forrest

MO_TxTruBlu

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These are the players that made the most Starts alongside Jim Forrest in his 166 appearances for Rangers.

...............................................................................Billy Ritchie

.........................................Kai Johansen.......................................Davie Provan

....................John Greig.............................Ronnie McKinnon....................Jim Baxter

Willie Henderson......George McLean......Jim Forrest......Willie Johnston......Davy Wilson

Ronnie McKinnon had the most with 161 appearances, with Kai Johansen on 69.
Jimmy Millar also had 69 starts, and 1 sub appearance alongside Forrest.
I was surprised to find that he partnered George McLean in only 73 Games,
which was not much more than Jimmy Millar (70) and Ralph Brand (67).
Others who would make the bench would be Bobby Shearer (51) and Alex Willoughby (48)
 

dh1963

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Did he play much with Millar and Brand all in the same game?

If so, who played where?
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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I'm not sure how many times the three of them lined up together, but it must have been a wonderful headache for Scot Symon when the great Jimmy Millar returned from injury in the 63-64 Treble season, and the young Jim Forrest had proved to be a scoring sensation in Millar's absence.
I would imagine if all three played together, then Millar would most likely drop deeper into midfield alongside Greig and Baxter, with Forrest and Brand as the strikers.
Forrest though did play a few games on both wings, when Henderson, and Wilson were out, as did Ralph Brand.
There was a couple of games that season when all 4 of Forrest, McLean, Millar and Brand were in the starting line up.
A Forward line of Forrest, McMillan, Millar, McLean and Brand beat Dundee Utd 3-2 in Dec 63'.
and the following week in a 3-3 draw at Motherwell, saw a front five of
Henderson, McLean, Millar, Brand and Forrest.
 

Cliffger

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These are the players that made the most Starts alongside Jim Forrest in his 166 appearances for Rangers.

...............................................................................Billy Ritchie

.........................................Kai Johansen.......................................Davie Provan

....................John Greig.............................Ronnie McKinnon....................Jim Baxter

Willie Henderson......George McLean......Jim Forrest......Willie Johnston......Davy Wilson

Ronnie McKinnon had the most with 161 appearances, with Kai Johansen on 69.
Jimmy Millar also had 69 starts, and 1 sub appearance alongside Forrest.
I was surprised to find that he partnered George McLean in only 73 Games,
which was not much more than Jimmy Millar (70) and Ralph Brand (67).
Others who would make the bench would be Bobby Shearer (51) and Alex Willoughby (48)
I thought for sure Greig would have the most,he didn't seem to miss many games and was there before Forrest.
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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I thought for sure Greig would have the most,he didn't seem to miss many games and was there before Forrest.
Greig wasn't far behind with 155 appearances.
Davie Provan had 158.
You'd be surprised at how few games Ronnie McKinnon missed, or Davie Provan for that matter.
I believe McKinnon made more appearances in the 1960's than any other Rangers player.
By the start of the 62-63 campaign, McKinnon along with John Greig and Willie Henderson would establish themselves as permanent fixtures in the Rangers side.
In the following nine seasons, McKinnon would play in all but 20 of Rangers next 306 League Games.
Davie Provan, from the time that Eric Caldow suffered a broken leg in April 63' until Provan himself suffered the same fate in Sept 67' Davie Provan had played in 229 of Rangers 234 games.
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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I wonder what the 11 would be for John Greig.
There wasn't a Goalkeeper in the Top Ten Teammates for Greig, though Peter McCloy was close with 254 Games and Billy Ritchie with 210.
John Greig had 4 Different Keepers, who played alongside him at least 100 times
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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Loved JM,playing right half with Dunfermline I believe,when he joined us.

Became our Centre forward by chance, when an injury to Max Murray at half time in an end of season friendly against Staevnet (Copenhagen XI), forced Symon to stick Jimmy Millar up front for the second half, and Millar scored all four goals in a 4-0 win.
The rest as they say is history.
 

tazzabear

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Remember My all time Ranger, “Jimmy Millar” dropped back into Midfield as a General, our win over the Scum by Kai, owed a hell of a lot to JM.
I think he was a midfielder/half back when he signed.

edit: thanks to polar bear for confirmation.
Millar was one of my old mans favourites, hence how I thought this.
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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I wonder what the 11 would be for John Greig.
There wasn't a Goalkeeper in the Top Ten Teammates for Greig, though Peter McCloy was close with 254 Games and Billy Ritchie with 210.
John Greig had 4 Different Keepers, who played alongside him at least 100 times
Similar with Ally McCoist
His top ten teammates included
2 Goalkeepers
2 Full Backs
4 Central Defenders
Durrant and Cooper
 

wee bud's pit boots

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My old man still maintains to this day that I'd have loved Jim Forrest.

He said he had everything. Could run like a Deer, could header the ball and shoot with both feet.

Just imagine the effect Baxter had on Greig, McKinnon, Henderson, wee bud and Jim Forrest coming through?
 

Alex Venters

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My old man still maintains to this day that I'd have loved Jim Forrest.

He said he had everything. Could run like a Deer, could header the ball and shoot with both feet.

Just imagine the effect Baxter had on Greig, McKinnon, Henderson, wee bud and Jim Forrest coming through?
Jim Forrest suffered more than anyone I think from the Baxter transfer. If you look at the type of pass Baxter slipped through to JF in the 64 LCF, you can see why he was so prolific,with Baxter his main supplier.
 

Alex Venters

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That is a great point.

But next time you see clips of that LC final. Listen to the Rangers support every time Baxter gets on the ball.
Must've been a sight to see when Baxter and Henderson we're in full flow at that time. It's like watching clips of George Best,you can literally hear the roars of anticipation from the terracing.

Is there a player in the game today who can illicit that kind of reaction from a crowd? I don't think so.
 

wee bud's pit boots

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Must've been a sight to see when Baxter and Henderson we're in full flow at that time. It's like watching clips of George Best,you can literally hear the roars of anticipation from the terracing.

Is there a player in the game today who can illicit that kind of reaction from a crowd? I don't think so.
The one that got me was a thread on here just the other month and there's a photograph of Baxter's wedding day.

There's wee lassies clinging and standing on lampposts. The place, the whole area surrounding the Church is stowed.

Best and Lennon and McCartney didn't get that.

Probably the most iconic picture of Baxter we'll ever see, and he isn't even in it!

My mother's parents, who were not really into football , certainly not as my old man's side were, had a tartan rosette of Jim Baxter in their living room when I was growing up.

My old man had brought it back from a trip to Wembley, which narrows the years down. Either 63 or the other one.
 

Alex Venters

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The one that got me was a thread on here just the other month and there's a photograph of Baxter's wedding day.

There's wee lassies clinging and standing on lampposts. The place, the whole area surrounding the Church is stowed.

Best and Lennon and McCartney didn't get that.

Probably the most iconic picture of Baxter we'll ever see, and he isn't even in it!

My mother's parents, who were not really into football , certainly not as my old man's side were, had a tartan rosette of Jim Baxter in their living room when I was growing up.

My old man had brought it back from a trip to Wembley, which narrows the years down. Either 63 or the other one.
Yeah, I saw that.
I pass that very church most days, earning my corn.
He was an icon, I'd ever there was one
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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My old man still maintains to this day that I'd have loved Jim Forrest.

He said he had everything. Could run like a Deer, could header the ball and shoot with both feet.

Just imagine the effect Baxter had on Greig, McKinnon, Henderson, wee bud and Jim Forrest coming through?

Forrest was also a superb passer of the ball, and a great supplier of goals as well,
which is often overlooked.
He could also operate on either flank as a winger.
 

dh1963

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Similar with Ally McCoist
His top ten teammates included
2 Goalkeepers
2 Full Backs
4 Central Defenders
Durrant and Cooper
Going by that description I assume Ian Ferguson isn't in the top 10. That surprises me as he must have played with Ally for about 10 years.

Guessing

Goram
Woods

Munro
Robertson

Gough
Brown
McPherson
Butcher

Durrant
Cooper?
 

dh1963

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Must've been a sight to see when Baxter and Henderson we're in full flow at that time. It's like watching clips of George Best,you can literally hear the roars of anticipation from the terracing.

Is there a player in the game today who can illicit that kind of reaction from a crowd? I don't think so.
Who would you say the last player we had who had that effect?

De Boer? Laudrup?
 

wee bud's pit boots

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Who would you say the last player we had who had that effect?

De Boer? Laudrup?
For me Laudrup.

I think in terms of class, De Boer was up there with Laudrup and Gazza, but we witnessed it less. So for me, he is the lesser of the three.

Just my opinion, but De Boer the footballer on form was something to behold.
 
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dh1963

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For me Laudrup.

I think in terms of class, De Boer was up there with Laudrup and Gazza, but we witnessed it less. So for me, he is the lesser of the three.

Just my opinion, but De Boer the footballer on form was something to behold.
I must admit to being in absolute awe at how good Baxter must have been, as I remember back in the 90s when Laudrup was by a mile the most wondrous footballer I'd ever seen play in Scotland and so many of the older guys on our bus all unanimously maintained he was the second best they had watched behind Jim Baxter.

I do think there was an 18 month period that De Boer getting the ball created a buzz in the crowd as he was doing brilliant things regularly. But obviously not at the Laudrup level.
 

wee bud's pit boots

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I worked with a PNE fan who always enthused about Forrest - he couldn’t believe the level of player that they got from Rangers - and was astounded at the circumstances of his leaving.
I think we got 37k for him.

We basically paid three times that much for Colin Stein a year later.
 

MO_TxTruBlu

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Jim Forrest suffered more than anyone I think from the Baxter transfer. If you look at the type of pass Baxter slipped through to JF in the 64 LCF, you can see why he was so prolific,with Baxter his main supplier.
That is a great point.

No doubt that Baxter was a great supplier in many of Forrest's goals,
but not so sure that Forrest suffered too much without Baxter.

In the 64 -65 season when Baxter suffered that injury in Vienna, he was out for 13 Games
(9 League, 2 Scottish Cup, 2 European Cup).
In Baxter's absence, Jim Forrest managed 16 Goals in those 13 games,
including scoring home and away against the World Club Champions, Inter Milan
which was the only goal Inter Milan conceded that season at home in Europe,
including the final, played at the San Siro v Benfica, Eusebio and all.
In what was a horrible season in the League where we finished a lowly 5th place,
we did only lose 1 League match in Baxter's absence.
With Baxter in the side, we lost 7 League Games (in 22 appearances), and lost the only Scottish Cup tie he played in (our only domestic Cup defeat in two and half years/36 Cup Ties).

Following the sale of Baxter in the summer of 65',
Forrest would score 35 Goals in 44 Games in the 1965-66 season.
This does not include the two goals he scored in the superb 3-1 win over European Cup Finalists Benfica, in a prestigous friendly at Ibrox in late Sept.
The much maligned George McLean, who partnered him, and sometimes wore the No.9 shirt that season was our top scorer with 39 Goals in 34 Games.
74 goals in 78 appearances between them in a season, was only bettered once during Baxter's time, when Millar and Brand combined to score 80 goals in the 62-63 season,
but, they had 102 appearances between them

Rangers defeated arguably the two best club sides in the world at Ibrox in 1965,
without Baxter in the side, and Jim Forrest scored 3 goals in those two marvelous wins.
 
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