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MurtyMania

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Steven Gerrard will be judged foremost on whether he can win the championship back from Celtic, preferably this season.Blooding in youngsters is a distant third behind that and signing players that we can sell on.

You’ve been adamant that the club are constantly at fault throughout the thread, not taking into account that some aren’t good enough and others want big wages.
Nobody has disputed anything you've said there.

None of it means Gerrards record in this area is acceptable.
 

Theknight

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Lucky you. I don't follow any Rangers fan pages on Facebook as it's a total cringefest. My dad is relatively new to Facebook so joined a load of Rangers groups in good faith so I hear all the ridiculous posts on them. Latest one is Morelos being a dud anyway.
Yeah I was on a couple for livestream links they were bad enough!! Rangers Archives is good though.
 

DoubleWhopper

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Of course we’ll have things in place but you can’t always cure it and it happens at bigger clubs than us.
Fine. Of course you can’t cure it. I know myself, I left Scotland in my early 20s. But if the lad wants to make it as a pro he’s probably going to have to show a bit more fortitude, if indeed, that is the reason he’s leaving.
 

CR5

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SG is not responsible for the youth academy. His job is to stop the corrupt bheasts.
His job is to manage Rangers and that includes the youth players first team prospects, NYC's were limited so he's off.

I hate the idea that the world begins and ends with 55. Rangers are bigger than Celtic and Scottish Football, tunnelvision on either will result in us becoming mediocre.
 

Earl of Leven

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His job is to manage Rangers and that includes the youth players first team prospects, NYC's were limited so he's off.

I hate the idea that the world begins and ends with 55. Rangers are bigger than Celtic and Scottish Football, tunnelvision on either will result in us becoming mediocre.
Yes and so far the coaches - or so I am told - have only definitively put forward Nathan Patterson as a first team squad member, while also having a word for Mayo, and Barjonas etc. The coaches aren't fools and they won't trouble manager unless they're certain they have someone who is well above the average. If that happens AND manager still ignores them then we have an issue....

Also players need different things....maybe it will be Patterson in squad, Mayo down south for a loan, and Barjonas to a continental side to train and learn a more technical way for a period. They all develop differently and need different things....yes 21 is old for Barjonas but maybe he is still learning his trade?
 

TylerDurden

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Possibly, its hard to gauge though. Our youth players generally play a year or two up so it's more of a test. So sometimes there is a mismatch and you can have 21 year old Barjonas playing with 17 year old's. This for me makes it difficult to say we do or do not have too many youths as the players will generally play two age groups and thus its not as cut and dry as "there is your u18 team and your u21 team". Regardless, we need a great deal of players to make up a squad at each age, not all of these players will make or even be near first team football but they are needed to allow the better ones to flourish. It's a poetic dream some fans have of hoping our u21 team will replace our entire first team etc. You will see the players who have came to the end now being moved on for a fee alas Rudden, Dallas and Atakayi, this is the business model the academy should have been focusing on and now means we haven't lost a great deal of money on youth players.

I've waffled a fair bit haha, I would imagine the recently signed James Graham or young Alex Lowry would now take NYC's place so we do have quite a few players for each position.
Is Alex Lowry not a midfielder?
 

prenzlauerbear

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Mebude's absence from involvement with the first team was the one thing that stood out to me. He and Kennedy both cast aside. That's not to imply there is a link between the two in terms of why they are missing - I have no idea - but Dapo could reasonably have expected to be involved this pre-season as well. Probably in the build-up to a loan move. As you have hinted, his contract expires next Summer as well though.

You make a very good point about there being more likelihood of football for these guys over the next year down in England as well. That hadn't occurred to me.
Gary Bollan said he tried to sign Dapo on loan in January, but the club rejected it saying he might be needed for the first team.

No matter how it's dressed up, him missing pre-season is a weird one.
 

TylerDurden

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If he is then my mistake mate, on the few occasions I've seen him he seems to be playing forward and often scoring alongside Robbie Ure. Just head a check and he is listed as midfielder though so most likely my error. Apologies.
Seen him playing a few times and it was always in Midfield, no worries.
Great player all the same, would have big hopes for him.
 

erskine bear

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Dickson for leaving as well? Would be very disappointed if that was the case.
I spoke to Ciaran not long ago, said he was happy and felt Rangers was the best place for him to develop. Then again, he's not going to tell me in depth details whether he would be leaving or not. He seemed genuine though.
 
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CoopBlue

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None will play for us .wait and see they have total of about 90mins in pre season friendlies between them so don't think they will play for us in serious competition.
Agreed.

Kelly is away on loan, McCrorie will move permanently imo, Mayo will go out on loan and Patterson might get the odd appearance in the league cup at most.
 

Drumchapel-Bear

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Another embarrassing thread about our youths.

If they are better than the current first team options, they will get a chance. Like 18 year old Glenn Middleton in Gerrard's first season, who started multiple huge games for us due to impressing during preseason and us having a lack of wide options.
 

Macdonsj

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Actually Mebude missing altogether does suggest a contract situation....club seem determined to play hard ball with these kids.
didn't he sign one recently - his younger brother Dire being the one still to pen a deal
Dapo has effectively been placed under mentorship by Defoe so would seem strange to do that then jettison
 

Dado's Bandage

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Nobody has disputed anything you've said there.

None of it means Gerrards record in this area is acceptable.
So Gerrard should be playing youngsters regardless of whether they are good enough or not? Folk have no idea of the difference in levels from impressing at Under 20 tournaments to playing in the Rangers first team. Sick reading this nonsense about boys not getting a chance.
 

erskine bear

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Another embarrassing thread about our youths.

If they are better than the current first team options, they will get a chance. Like 18 year old Glenn Middleton in Gerrard's first season, who started multiple huge games for us due to impressing during preseason and us having a lack of wide options.
He doesn't count apparently mate, I've referred to him before. Gerrard is behind a secret plot to sabotage our academy and get rid of all our youth players for no personal gain what so-ever (insert evil laugh).
 

CoopBlue

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If they are good enough they will become involved.

If they are better than the current first team player in their position they will get game time.

I'm not for bleeding young players just for the sake of it or to fulfill a quota.

It all comes down to ability and what you can bring to a first team who are required to win leagues and trophies.

If you don't bring anything better than what we have in the first team then you are quite rightly not getting a look in.

Go away and work on your game. Stay behind after training. Dedicate yourself to becoming the best you can. THEN see where it takes you.
 

MurtyMania

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So Gerrard should be playing youngsters regardless of whether they are good enough or not? Folk have no idea of the difference in levels from impressing at Under 20 tournaments to playing in the Rangers first team. Sick reading this nonsense about boys not getting a chance.
Weird how almost every other title-chasing club in Europe manages it.

Weird how our lads are all-conquering across the continent up until the age of 17/18 before they hit a dead end when every study shows they need to be playing first team football at that age.
 

erskine bear

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Weird how almost every other title-chasing club in Europe manages it.

Weird how our lads are all-conquering across the continent up until the age of 17/18 before they hit a dead end when every study shows they need to be playing first team football at that age.
I follow Serie A, Juve certainly don't bleed any youngsters at all. Neither do the two milan clubs. At Juve Rugani is the only player from there academy i can think of has even played this season and he is 27 having made a total of 77 league appearances in his career.
 

Dado's Bandage

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Weird how almost every other title-chasing club in Europe manages it.

Weird how our lads are all-conquering across the continent up until the age of 17/18 before they hit a dead end when every study shows they need to be playing first team football at that age.
I must have missed them winning the Youth Champions League then. Up until the last few years we were unable to compete for the big prizes in Scotland. That changed but then the club felt they were getting little benefit from the league and pulled out. What are Scotland winning at youth level by the way? How many of the players are playing at European Championships and Youth World Cups? I won honours at Youth level, played in European Championships, wasn’t good enough to play in the Premier League though. As I said, levels and people have no idea about them.
 

PedrosCaravan

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Bingo. He's seemed to have stalled from the initial buzz from the first Alkass tournament.

Dapo shot past him as the striking option.

Not every youth player makes it through. He might even have a very successful career but we deal with the here and now.

The key difference is us now earning a few quid from deals like this that fund other buys instead of constantly paying boys off to go and have a good career around the lower leagues in England like Loy and Shinnie etc.
Dapo is 2 years older...
 

erskine bear

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I must have missed them winning the Youth Champions League then. Up until the last few years we were unable to compete for the big prizes in Scotland. That changed but then the club felt they were getting little benefit from the league and pulled out. What are Scotland winning at youth level by the way? How many of the players are playing at European Championships and Youth World Cups? I won honours at Youth level, played in European Championships, wasn’t good enough to play in the Premier League though. As I said, levels and people have no idea about them.
The concept of playing European teams has been very effective, we have had some good results in the YCL (Bratislava for example). Then there is games they've looked a class behind (Atletico). Nobody can say a player is ready based off youth team games.
 
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